Bortles may be the near future out of necessity, but he is not this teams longterm future...guaranteed. Not a prototypical Coughlin QB and he seems to be at or near his ceiling.

  How can you tell someone is at his near ceiling when they are 25 years old, their INT % has gone down 4 years straight, and he's throwing to Keelan Cole, Jaydon Mickens, and Marcedes Lewis--- maybe the worst weapons in the league?! bahaha you people aren't scouts. Clearly.

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1. Draft stock means nothing 4 years down the road.
2. The Bills are idiots who have made idiotic moves all year, including this one. Imagine if we used the logic that Dareus lost his job to an undrafted 2nd year player so he must suck and we can't use him.
3. Keenum this season is playing way better than Bortles ever has in his career, and he's doing it in virtually the exact system that we want to run here. He would be a plug and play upgrade from week 1 that could hold us over until the rookie is ready or maybe even longer.

Its safe to say then, you have not watched any Bills games ALL YEAR. If you had you wouldnt be saying this (OR if you watched the 2nd half of the THU game you are giving them way too much credit)
Since this move happed, I've seen a few outlets say JAX would be an excellent landing sport for TT.
While there may be SOME truth to it - its due to your system. TT's biggest issue at this point is he has to find a team willing to find a team willing to build around him. It'll be the difference between making something of his career or being the guy who everyone says ' his next stop is where he figures it out'
With Marrone saying he wants to run all the time etc - I get the impression that its a fit BUT if something happens and theres an O coordinator change who has a different philosophy, he coulf find himself smack dab in the same situation he's in now.
I've seen people on this board clamoring for national props/credit. Buffalo is the same way, the national media lowers the bar and then makes a big deal when they jump over it - like its cute. The flip side is no one really pays attention, actually watches the games in context. You guys seem to be out of this now and people are paying attention to and watching JAX games... which is great. 
Listening to people call the Bills dumb for benching Taylor is kinda funny bc it stems more from a disrespect for the club than the actual situation. No one is fact checking these guys and they keep throwing out stats or more often statements that just arent true (rather just an assumption or reach based on paying minimal attention) but the funny thing is no one outside Buffalo is watching either so no one is there to call em out or even know they are wrong.
Anywho, I'm not a huge Peterman supporter. But the thing is, he's the ANTI-TYROD. His qb rating % and ints are low... but they lead the league in 3 and outs - also technically a turnover. Its gotta be maddening for a OC to game plan and on game day have that plan not work only to review the all 22 and see that in fact it WOULD have worked had the qb just chucked the rock. He has won something like FOUR games when his team gets down by 4 or more points. Not this year - in his career. As a fan its SSSOO frustrating everytime you loose or have a putrid offensive performance to have the other team  (NEVER FAIL) it was easy, all we had to do was make him play QB. I dont wanna ramble on, but essentially they had to be at their wits end. After TT watched every Benjiman reception in the NFL and had a talk with coach how to use him for 50/50 balls and take chances he was target 3x (1 complete, 2 absolute turds) and then avoided him like the plague for the rest of the game. The hate last week was being down 20, and having multiple 3rd and long situations end with a 4-6 yard checkdown. Rick Dennison was asked why they were taking chances and he said he had told him to and he interprited that as check down and see if the guy can make a move for the 1st. Heck, it wasnt until Peterman came in a completed ball traveled over 10 yards!!   Thats bad. I support this move for no other reason than I support not being complacent with 'ok. Our standards have gotten low and TTs supporters always lead with the argument ' well hes the best we've had since Jim Kelly'..... uuuhhhh so? thats not saying a lot! Coach didnt say this was for a 'spark' or to 'evaluate' (surely they could have given him a couple games at the end of the year) but rather to make the team better. It sounds like at some point over the last few weeks the team decided TT was surpassed by Peterman. Hopefully now we get more than 4-6x WR targets in a game and dont have to deal with the 8 man stacked boxes. 
It is telling however than no AFCE teams seem to be clamoring for Taylor. Heck, the Jets have a 38 yr old qb and their fans seem to have seen enough from TT over the last 3 years to know better. 
Maybe at THIS moment in time Taylor would be a better game manager than Bortles - but you dont want him as your future. So Mr Upper, before you criticize a move you dont understand - take the time to consider all sides and just as the National Media hasnt known whats up in JAX or given them their due ( until recently ) I implore you to try and take all points into account prior to making statments like that. Thanks!!

  

 TT is a David Garrard clone. Guy can only make one NFL throw- A slant.

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Bortles ain't the future. Baker Mayfield is.

Baker Mayfield will be long gone by the time we pick.

Nah, He's listed at 6-1 and will probably measure at the combine 6'.  He'll be in the 2nd round are lower.

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So Mariota ends the night with 4 INTs, giving him 8 TDs and 10 INTs on the year, yet you won't hear anyone calling for his head.  What some of you fail to understand is that outside of the handful of premier quarterbacks in this league, i.e. Brady, Rogers, Brees, Wilson, and maybe Stafford, there's a big group of average to above average quarterbacks and Blake is in that group.  Quit trying to force him into that bottom tier quarterback group because he just isn't in it.  Hell before Big Ben threw 4 TDs last night, Blake only had thrown 1 less TD than Ben, but also 3 less INTs.  If your going to say that Blake isn't good enough, then you would say the same thing about 85% of the quarterbacks in the league.  On top of that, Blake is still very young and has a lot more room to grow. Just look at the stats of the quarterbacks around the league, they don't lie.  With it being so hard to find a quarterback in this league, this organization isn't going to quit on Blake after this season barring a complete collapse down the stretch, and why would they?  Getting rid of our young quarterback after he has shown much improvement in some vital areas doesn't make much sense.

You're putting way too much stock into googling box score stats sir. If you insist on doing that then look at the advanced passing section of their PFR pages. That's where you'll find by far the best quick comparison based on their per attempt stats, and it includes far better stats than just looking at total TDs and INTs.

This is ironic as its essentially what I was asking you to do with Taylor. 
Its kinda crazy though. a lot of these posts are SSOO similar to Bills boards (save the wasting a great D)
Good guy, well respected, but just ok - having to mask short comings, not long term answer, cant get team over the hump and carry team on his back etc. The difference is you guys say Hackett seems to not want to throw it, and here we cant GET TT to throw the ball as hes too timid and needs 'college open'
It works 2 fold though. Before the year there were folks in Buffalo saything ' If JAX is dumb enough to get rid of BB we should jump on it and give him time/coaching etc' which isnt surprising as this always seems to happen for high picks. Some argued of course citing his mechanics etc - but none the less the convo took place in Buffalo and other QB starved cities as well id assume. Heck, Skins fans even complain about Cousins. 
I suppose indeed, the grass is always greener

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Lol, yeah, let's go grab another one off the qb tree. The grass isn't always greener you know.

Double down this time though. Get a 1st round pick QB, and then back it up with Tyrod or the guy that loses the Bridgewater/Keenum battle for a reasonable price.

Bridgewater, Bradford and Keenum are all free agents. If Keenum keeps up what he's been doing I can see him earning a contract. What they do as backup is anyone's guess but I lean toward they try to keep Teddy and let Sam hit FA.

With the talent on this roster I'd have no problem with the Jags drafting a QB high and drafting a mid tier FA.
But the more this season goes I can really see a scenario where Bortles is still here and we draft a 2nd or 3rd round QB...

Time will tell.

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Hey, but hes athletic and can run and doesnt throw INTs!!! am i right??  (rim shot)

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Double down this time though. Get a 1st round pick QB, and then back it up with Tyrod or the guy that loses the Bridgewater/Keenum battle for a reasonable price.

Bridgewater, Bradford and Keenum are all free agents. If Keenum keeps up what he's been doing I can see him earning a contract. What they do as backup is anyone's guess but I lean toward they try to keep Teddy and let Sam hit FA.

With the talent on this roster I'd have no problem with the Jags drafting a QB high and drafting a mid tier FA.
But the more this season goes I can really see a scenario where Bortles is still here and we draft a 2nd or 3rd round QB...

Time will tell.

I'd be shocked if Tyrod wasnt a free agent as well. Unless a team REALLY wants him at 16 mill, I cant see anyone trading for him when they can sign him after March 3rd (or sooner)

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Double down this time though. Get a 1st round pick QB, and then back it up with Tyrod or the guy that loses the Bridgewater/Keenum battle for a reasonable price.

Bridgewater, Bradford and Keenum are all free agents. If Keenum keeps up what he's been doing I can see him earning a contract. What they do as backup is anyone's guess but I lean toward they try to keep Teddy and let Sam hit FA.

With the talent on this roster I'd have no problem with the Jags drafting a QB high and drafting a mid tier FA.
But the more this season goes I can really see a scenario where Bortles is still here and we draft a 2nd or 3rd round QB...

Time will tell.

  
 Jags aren't drafting a high QB. That's a guarantee.

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Bridgewater, Bradford and Keenum are all free agents. If Keenum keeps up what he's been doing I can see him earning a contract. What they do as backup is anyone's guess but I lean toward they try to keep Teddy and let Sam hit FA.

With the talent on this roster I'd have no problem with the Jags drafting a QB high and drafting a mid tier FA.
But the more this season goes I can really see a scenario where Bortles is still here and we draft a 2nd or 3rd round QB...

Time will tell.

  
 Jags aren't drafting a high QB. That's a guarantee.

Actually feel much more confident we will now, thank you.

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 Jags aren't drafting a high QB. That's a guarantee.

Actually feel much more confident we will now, thank you.

   Why is that? I've been right about Bortles the entire time; along with being right about the scoring defense/coaching being the Jags #1 problem. I told you the past 4 seasons, the Jags were the #26-#32 scoring defense. This year we are #1 and now threatening for the #1 seed in the AFC. 

 One day you will get a clue.

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My take is he's played better than I thought he would while also showing why he isn't the long term guy which is kinda perfect.  

I've developed alot of respect for how's he handled himself this year though

Yes, that's it.  Great comment.  I agree. 

I'm rooting for the guy, basically because he's a stand-up guy who takes the shots and the criticism without complaint.  He's also durable and athletic, and his teammates seem to like him.  But he's not a great QB.  

I think there's a chance he'll be our QB next year, but it depends on what's available and whether we are willing to pay the price for it.

He really is a great dude and alot of fun when he's on his game. He's tough as nails and think he'll be in the NFL for years and years. I could see him be a Josh McCown type that spots starts for multiple teams and has some success.  

I'm still on the boat about the pros and cons of him coming back next year. I wouldn't want to waste another year of this team, windows can close in the space of an offseason. Just depends how we attack the position.

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Actually feel much more confident we will now, thank you.

   Why is that? I've been right about Bortles the entire time; along with being right about the scoring defense/coaching being the Jags #1 problem. I told you the past 4 seasons, the Jags were the #26-#32 scoring defense. This year we are #1 and now threatening for the #1 seed in the AFC. 

 One day you will get a clue.

Those things were very obvious and agreed upon by e everyone. 

You also said it was guaranteed Murray was signing and that Bortles would be playing for the jets this year. You said you talked to Bortles agent ( you didn't ) and Murray (you didn't ).

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Bridgewater, Bradford and Keenum are all free agents. If Keenum keeps up what he's been doing I can see him earning a contract. What they do as backup is anyone's guess but I lean toward they try to keep Teddy and let Sam hit FA.

With the talent on this roster I'd have no problem with the Jags drafting a QB high and drafting a mid tier FA.
But the more this season goes I can really see a scenario where Bortles is still here and we draft a 2nd or 3rd round QB...

Time will tell.

  
 Jags aren't drafting a high QB. That's a guarantee.

OK Mrs. Bortles.

I see you just want to argue... so let's argue.
You don't know what will happen in next week, much less in April or May. So your guarantee ain't worth 2 dead flies.
Also... I said the more the season goes on the more I can see Bortles being here and them drafting what I would consider "insurance" in the 2nd or 3rd. We're no so devoid of talent anymore that we'd expect a 2nd or 3rd rounder to necessarily be an immediate starter. We could still address OL or WR or TE in round 1 and 3 (if QB goes round 2).

However... it's still very possible that with Bortles big cap hit and the mounting injuries to OL and WR that we might have to shell out some CAP ched to make those positions fluid or improve... If TC and/or Dave REALLY like Baker or Mason or Rosen... I could see them making that move too.

But I won't guarantee anything... cuz I'm not an idiot.

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Yes, that's it.  Great comment.  I agree. 

I'm rooting for the guy, basically because he's a stand-up guy who takes the shots and the criticism without complaint.  He's also durable and athletic, and his teammates seem to like him.  But he's not a great QB.  

I think there's a chance he'll be our QB next year, but it depends on what's available and whether we are willing to pay the price for it.

He really is a great dude and alot of fun when he's on his game. He's tough as nails and think he'll be in the NFL for years and years. I could see him be a Josh McCown type that spots starts for multiple teams and has some success.  

I'm still on the boat about the pros and cons of him coming back next year. I wouldn't want to waste another year of this team, windows can close in the space of an offseason. Just depends how we attack the position.

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   Why is that? I've been right about Bortles the entire time; along with being right about the scoring defense/coaching being the Jags #1 problem. I told you the past 4 seasons, the Jags were the #26-#32 scoring defense. This year we are #1 and now threatening for the #1 seed in the AFC. 

 One day you will get a clue.

 You said you talked to Bortles agent ( you didn't ) and Murray (you didn't ).

 I never said those things ever. Not once. Try reading comprehension. Everything I was told was through a third party. Jags were very interested in Latavius through Coughlin talking to his friend George O'Leary. Jags didn't feel comfortable offering him much money coming off an injury. Big deal.

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 Jags aren't drafting a high QB. That's a guarantee.

OK Mrs. Bortles.

I see you just want to argue... so let's argue.
You don't know what will happen in next week, much less in April or May. So your guarantee ain't worth 2 dead flies.
Also... I said the more the season goes on the more I can see Bortles being here and them drafting what I would consider "insurance" in the 2nd or 3rd. We're no so devoid of talent anymore that we'd expect a 2nd or 3rd rounder to necessarily be an immediate starter. We could still address OL or WR or TE in round 1 and 3 (if QB goes round 2).

However... it's still very possible that with Bortles big cap hit and the mounting injuries to OL and WR that we might have to shell out some CAP ched to make those positions fluid or improve... If TC and/or Dave REALLY like Baker or Mason or Rosen... I could see them making that move too.

But I won't guarantee anything... cuz I'm not an idiot.

  

   Bortles is the best QB in the division this year without a #1 WR and with a so/so OL. Go ahead....eat crow.

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Lol, yeah, let's go grab another one off the qb tree. The grass isn't always greener you know.

Double down this time though. Get a 1st round pick QB, and then back it up with Tyrod or the guy that loses the Bridgewater/Keenum battle for a reasonable price.

Kenny Stabler: "the Snake". One of the great QB's. Blake Bortles the next Snake? Blake the Snake? Bortles needs to go to school on the Original Snake who: Dropped back fast, made decisions fast, then struck with his passes like a Snake - super fast.  The Jags need Blake to become the new Snake. It starts in Cleveland with his new handle: Blake the Snake # Capemansaves

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He really is a great dude and alot of fun when he's on his game. He's tough as nails and think he'll be in the NFL for years and years. I could see him be a Josh McCown type that spots starts for multiple teams and has some success.  

I'm still on the boat about the pros and cons of him coming back next year. I wouldn't want to waste another year of this team, windows can close in the space of an offseason. Just depends how we attack the position.

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 You said you talked to Bortles agent ( you didn't ) and Murray (you didn't ).

 I never said those things ever. Not once. Try reading comprehension. Everything I was told was through a third party. Jags were very interested in Latavius through Coughlin talking to his friend George O'Leary. Jags didn't feel comfortable offering him much money coming off an injury. Big deal.

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OK Mrs. Bortles.

I see you just want to argue... so let's argue.
You don't know what will happen in next week, much less in April or May. So your guarantee ain't worth 2 dead flies.
Also... I said the more the season goes on the more I can see Bortles being here and them drafting what I would consider "insurance" in the 2nd or 3rd. We're no so devoid of talent anymore that we'd expect a 2nd or 3rd rounder to necessarily be an immediate starter. We could still address OL or WR or TE in round 1 and 3 (if QB goes round 2).

However... it's still very possible that with Bortles big cap hit and the mounting injuries to OL and WR that we might have to shell out some CAP ched to make those positions fluid or improve... If TC and/or Dave REALLY like Baker or Mason or Rosen... I could see them making that move too.

But I won't guarantee anything... cuz I'm not an idiot.

  

   Bortles is the best QB in the division this year without a #1 WR and with a so/so OL. Go ahead....eat crow.

Hahaha Best QB out of Savage, Mariota and Brisett? What an accomplishment.

I actually think the more you post, the more people dislike Blake.

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However... it's still very possible that with Bortles big cap hit and the mounting injuries to OL and WR that we might have to shell out some CAP ched to make those positions fluid or improve... If TC and/or Dave REALLY like Baker or Mason or Rosen... I could see them making that move too.

But I won't guarantee anything... cuz I'm not an idiot.

  

   Bortles is the best QB in the division this year without a #1 WR and with a so/so OL. Go ahead....eat crow.

It's comical that you keep trying to tell people to eat crow and claim to be "right" about something. 
Especially after posting a half dozen blatant lies that you got from those "inside sources" that you don't have. 

As far as being "right" about Bortles.  You keep saying that he needed a top scoring defense, a run game, and better coaching and he'd be fine.  
Firstly - there were multiple threads here about those things long before you showed up. That's not you being right, that's you being obvious. EVERYONE ALREADY KNEW THIS STUFF. You should really make an effort to understand the difference between being right and being obvious because it's making you look like a blathering fool. 

Secondly - with those three things listed above - most of the QBs in the "trained monkey" tier of the NFL should indeed be able to "get by." 

Unfortunately - the jury is still out on whether that's going to be the case for Bortles or not. As long as he keeps making decisions like this: 



And tossing up wing and prayer balls like this:


Well... we still can't count on him. 

I've advocated signing the option and drafting a guy as well, so I'm clearly not giving up on him entirely. He's just got more improving to do. That's it. Very simple.

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That's. A. Mic. Drop.

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   Bortles is the best QB in the division this year without a #1 WR and with a so/so OL. Go ahead....eat crow.

It's comical that you keep trying to tell people to eat crow and claim to be "right" about something. 
Especially after posting a half dozen blatant lies that you got from those "inside sources" that you don't have. 

As far as being "right" about Bortles.  You keep saying that he needed a top scoring defense, a run game, and better coaching and he'd be fine.  
Firstly - there were multiple threads here about those things long before you showed up. That's not you being right, that's you being obvious. EVERYONE ALREADY KNEW THIS STUFF. You should really make an effort to understand the difference between being right and being obvious because it's making you look like a blathering fool. 

Secondly - with those three things listed above - most of the QBs in the "trained monkey" tier of the NFL should indeed be able to "get by." 

Unfortunately - the jury is still out on whether that's going to be the case for Bortles or not. As long as he keeps making decisions like this: 



And tossing up wing and prayer balls like this:


Well... we still can't count on him. 

I've advocated signing the option and drafting a guy as well, so I'm clearly not giving up on him entirely. He's just got more improving to do. That's it. Very simple.

Alright.....in all fairness you could do that for more than 75% of QBs even the elite ones.  The man doesnt throw for most of the game and when he keeps drives alive it's Meh, any QB could do that and when he fails he sucks.  Pick a side and stop playing on the fence to look good to both sides.  We run run run run then pass and then Wrs drop the ball more often than not but it's not them its him.  He is suppose to overcome bad drops, bad playcalling, and also hate the good plays unless it' the last gw drive, and focus only on improving the bad play/read results when its a working pass play but he actually makes an error.   I see why coaches tell players to ignore the fans unless it' signing autographs or doing fan question segments on shows lmao

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As far as being "right" about Bortles.  You keep saying that he needed a top scoring defense, a run game, and better coaching and he'd be fine.  
Firstly - there were multiple threads here about those things long before you showed up. That's not you being right, that's you being obvious. EVERYONE ALREADY KNEW THIS STUFF. You should really make an effort to understand the difference between being right and being obvious because it's making you look like a blathering fool. 

Secondly - with those three things listed above - most of the QBs in the "trained monkey" tier of the NFL should indeed be able to "get by." 



I've advocated signing the option and drafting a guy as well, so I'm clearly not giving up on him entirely. He's just got more improving to do. That's it. Very simple.

Alright.....in all fairness you could do that for more than 75% of QBs even the elite ones.  The man doesnt throw for most of the game and when he keeps drives alive it's Meh, any QB could do that and when he fails he sucks.  Pick a side and stop playing on the fence to look good to both sides.  We run run run run then pass and then Wrs drop the ball more often than not but it's not them its him.  He is suppose to overcome bad drops, bad playcalling, and also hate the good plays unless it' the last gw drive, and focus only on improving the bad play/read results when its a working pass play but he actually makes an error.   I see why coaches tell players to ignore the fans unless it' signing autographs or doing fan question segments on shows lmao

Point by point.  He doesn't throw in much of the game (some weeks)  because they are intentionally mitigating his mistakes by running the ball more. Nothing shameful in that. Throwing is always more of a risk to any offense. 

When he keeps drives alive I don't call it "meh."  I give props fairly often. 
The lone scoring drive by the offense vs the bolts was a great one by Blake and by Marqise Lee. They finally looked in sync and they marched down and got 8 points. 

The drops this year have been miserably bad and Blake's stats have suffered and drives have stalled. I'm not ignoring that. 

All I'm saying is he's not consistent enough with good decision making  (and to a lesser degree his accuracy) to make me feel confident about him long term. I hope he gets it together  -- I'm just skeptical. If that make me a bad fan, so be it.

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Alright.....in all fairness you could do that for more than 75% of QBs even the elite ones.  The man doesnt throw for most of the game and when he keeps drives alive it's Meh, any QB could do that and when he fails he sucks.  Pick a side and stop playing on the fence to look good to both sides.  We run run run run then pass and then Wrs drop the ball more often than not but it's not them its him.  He is suppose to overcome bad drops, bad playcalling, and also hate the good plays unless it' the last gw drive, and focus only on improving the bad play/read results when its a working pass play but he actually makes an error.   I see why coaches tell players to ignore the fans unless it' signing autographs or doing fan question segments on shows lmao

Point by point.  He doesn't throw in much of the game (some weeks)  because they are intentionally mitigating his mistakes by running the ball more. Nothing shameful in that. Throwing is always more of a risk to any offense. 

When he keeps drives alive I don't call it "meh."  I give props fairly often. 
The lone scoring drive by the offense vs the bolts was a great one by Blake and by Marqise Lee. They finally looked in sync and they marched down and got 8 points. 

The drops this year have been miserably bad and Blake's stats have suffered and drives have stalled. I'm not ignoring that. 

All I'm saying is he's not consistent enough with good decision making  (and to a lesser degree his accuracy) to make me feel confident about him long term. I hope he gets it together  -- I'm just skeptical. If that make me a bad fan, so be it.

Never a bad fan, never.  I see your skepticism and your concerns and Im still wellllll we'll see with bb5.  With less drops, idk the stats, he could be slightly better but when I'm screaming pass all 1st half for most of these games and when we do we actually move the ball, im ticked.  Whether it's to limit mistakes or not it's dumb when we pass and actually start getting yards in games with better pass pro....picture that.  The line was horrid last year and the run game and now with a better line the run game improves even without l27 and wow defense improves and now dubyahs with good qb stats.  We had no hope on offense and bb5 looked horrid as most qbs would last year and now with the line close to what most have been begging for everything is on the rise even dropped catches by our WRs.  Give it time as you say but just don't say it's 90% BB5 because I think it's wayyyyyyy more to it than that.

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Bortles ain't the future. Baker Mayfield is.

You think he will last til the 32nd pick in the first round?

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