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Gutless playcalling lost this game.

#61

(01-21-2018, 07:54 PM)Jagsfan32277 Wrote:
(01-21-2018, 07:37 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: Got outcoached, conservative, and choked the game. Straight up took the L.

Bortles played well, but to not be conservative,  do the jags need to upgrade the qb position

I've been hit or miss with ,him, but no way in hell do they change direction now. He handeled the pressure just fine.
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#62
(This post was last modified: 01-21-2018, 08:09 PM by P. Haze.)

Yeah this defense needs to [BLEEP]. I’d rather have two intelligent new safeties than a quarterback this offseason. If we upgrade those two positions this defense has the chance to really be a historic one. Telvin Smith was [BLEEP] this game also.

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#63

(01-21-2018, 07:54 PM)Jagsfan32277 Wrote:
(01-21-2018, 07:37 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: Got outcoached, conservative, and choked the game. Straight up took the L.

Bortles played well, but to not be conservative,  do the jags need to upgrade the qb position

Can you sing any other note?  It's boring and it's off key.

This loss isn't on Blake.  It's on the D coordinator.  Going into zone and staying there was a BAD idea against Brady.
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#64

(01-21-2018, 08:06 PM)atburg Wrote:
(01-21-2018, 07:54 PM)Jagsfan32277 Wrote: Bortles played well, but to not be conservative,  do the jags need to upgrade the qb position

I've been hit or miss with ,him, but no way in hell do they change direction now. He handeled the pressure just fine.

No we do change. Coughlin isn't going to go into next season with another question mark at QB. Not happening. We are drafting or bringing in a FA.
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#65

Wash deserves more blame than Hackett. Guy has zero creativity, literally any defensive coordinator can do what he does. He completely relies on the talent of the defense.
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#66

Bortles is garbage. Couldn't get a couple 1st downs when it mattered most. Never took off running for a 1st down. Continued to stare down receivers. Trade up and get Lamar Jackson. The defense played soft in the second half. Jamen Ramsey looked like a rookie. Where was Calais.... Eating something? Man he looked slow. Refs could have called a fair game... Our Dline never got held? Never? There was no pas interference all game.... Just a hold on a punt. Gimme a freaking break. The poster was right. The league is rigged. Roger was congratulating and reassuring the Vikings owner that they were going to win. Thats why the DB whiffed on the game winng TD. Garbage league.
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#67

Bortles is garbage. Couldn't get a couple 1st downs when it mattered most. Never took off running for a 1st down. Continued to stare down receivers. Trade up and get Lamar Jackson. The defense played soft in the second half. Jamen Ramsey looked like a rookie. Where was Calais.... Eating something? Man he looked slow. Refs could have called a fair game... Our Dline never got held? Never? There was no pas interference all game.... Just a hold on a punt. Gimme a freaking break. The poster was right. The league is rigged. Roger was congratulating and reassuring the Vikings owner that they were going to win. Thats why the DB whiffed on the game winng TD. Garbage league.
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#68

(01-21-2018, 08:20 PM)Kcirred Wrote: Wash deserves more blame than Hackett.  Guy has zero creativity, literally any defensive coordinator can do what he does.  He completely relies on the talent of the defense.

Nah...our guys on defense are in position to make plays 9/10 times.
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#69

(01-21-2018, 08:08 PM)P. Haze Wrote: Yeah this defense needs to [BLEEP]. I’d rather have two intelligent new safeties than a quarterback this offseason. If we upgrade those two positions this defense has the chance to really be a historic one. Telvin Smith was [BLEEP] this game also.

Now can we move jalen to safety and draft or free agency a decent outside cb
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#70

(01-21-2018, 08:26 PM)Jagsfan32277 Wrote:
(01-21-2018, 08:08 PM)P. Haze Wrote: Yeah this defense needs to [BLEEP]. I’d rather have two intelligent new safeties than a quarterback this offseason. If we upgrade those two positions this defense has the chance to really be a historic one. Telvin Smith was [BLEEP] this game also.

Now can we move jalen to safety and draft or free agency a decent outside cb

Ramsey made 1st team All Pro at CB in his 2nd year and you want to move him to S?!?

Seriously?!?
 

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#71

They called it too conservative on first down a little bit. It was frustrating. But they clearly only trust blake so much and limit him on first down on the shy side of midfield.

Should have been more creative in the second half on first down run calls.

The defense played just a bit too much zone and was too comfortable letting Telvin get manned up on Cooks 3 or 4 times.

That was the extent of the bad calls IMO. Nothing too terribly unforgivable, but it need to be learned from moving forward.
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#72

(01-21-2018, 08:14 PM)I am Yoda Wrote:
(01-21-2018, 07:54 PM)Jagsfan32277 Wrote: Bortles played well, but to not be conservative,  do the jags need to upgrade the qb position

Can you sing any other note?  It's boring and it's off key.

This loss isn't on Blake.  It's on the D coordinator.  Going into zone and staying there was a BAD idea against Brady.

I didn't say he lost the game. He did enough to win the game, our defense just wasnt elite. But, when the team is behind,  the chances of blake leading the team to victory is slim. I know bradys, Rodgers,  peyton, big bens dont grow on trees, but you need those kind of qbs when you're behind.
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#73

It's like we have two OC's. The guy who called the first half was great, swing passes to Grant were eating up 10 every play. Then slants over the middle, Blake is good at passing where he can see the receiver the whole time. It was working beautiful!

. Did NE shut that down and force us to run LF up the middle every first down? I don't think so. Starting with the bogus PI at the end of the half, the pats put their foot on the gas and we coasted. I don't think Brady ran the ball in the 4th, at one point he had 15 passes in a row, meanwhile we ran LF up the middle some more.
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#74

I think it was obvious that the Jaguars were not going to let Blake beat them by making any mistakes. They trusted their defense and decided to go ultra conservative in the second half on offense. It came back to bite them hard when they needed it most. I don't put this loss on Blake in any way. The play calling was horrendous and the defense simply didn't get the job done. We've seen this too many times from Hackett to be upset about it now.
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#75

We had terrible field position throughout the second half. I'm sure they were trying to avoid a critical turnover


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#76

Most scared playcalling I've seen all year. Grant was making them look slow in the first quarter when they were fresh, can you imagine how slow they would have looked in the 3rd quarter when the TOP was 28 minutes to 14? I think he takes one to the house if they give him a couple more catches.

And yes the kneel with 55 seconds was offiically the most scared play call of the entire season leaguewide.

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#77

(01-21-2018, 08:28 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: They called it too conservative on first down a little bit. It was frustrating. But they clearly only trust blake so much and limit him on first down on the shy side of midfield.

Should have been more creative in the second half on first down run calls.

The defense played just a bit too much zone and was too comfortable letting Telvin get manned up on Cooks 3 or 4 times.

That was the extent of the bad calls IMO. Nothing too terribly unforgivable, but it need to be learned from moving forward.

I agree with most of these points.
On offense I think in the final quarter we got way too conservative, especially after recovering the fumble we should have tried to do more as we weren't pinned back on our 10 yards line like most of the other times. Same mistake we did when we got the INT against Buffalo in their territory.
I was hoping they would make Bortles run more, there were some first-second down situations (one on the final drive right before the 2 minutes warning timeout) where there was good room in front of him and went for a difficult throw. What happened to Grant or Yeldon? We didn't even try to feed them anymore at some point.

On defense I find our soft zone infuriating to be honest, that's something I really hate about Wash as it's not the first time we play that soft giving 10 yards of cushion to the receiver and no pressure on the QB. Or just sitting back, we have enought talent to force them to beat us 1vs1 (especially after Gronk was out) and I felt we weren't aggressive enough.

It's small details but combine that with the refs not calling anything against them at all and in a close game like this you pay for it unfortunately.
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#78

(01-21-2018, 09:06 PM)irontrooper83 Wrote:
(01-21-2018, 08:28 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: They called it too conservative on first down a little bit. It was frustrating.  But they clearly only trust blake so much and limit him on first down on the shy side of midfield.

Should have been more creative in the second half on first down run calls.

The defense played just a bit too much zone and was too comfortable letting Telvin get manned up on Cooks 3 or 4 times.

That was the extent of the bad calls IMO. Nothing too terribly unforgivable, but it need to be learned from moving forward.

I agree with most of these points.
On offense I think in the final quarter we got way too conservative, especially after recovering the fumble we should have tried to do more as we weren't pinned back on our 10 yards line like most of the other times. Same mistake we did when we got the INT against Buffalo in their territory.
I was hoping they would make Bortles run more, there were some first-second down situations (one on the final drive right before the 2 minutes warning timeout) where there was good room in front of him and went for a difficult throw.  What happened to Grant or Yeldon? We didn't even try to feed them anymore at some point.

On defense I find our soft zone infuriating to be honest, that's something I really hate about Wash as it's not the first time we play that soft giving 10 yards of cushion to the receiver and no pressure on the QB. Or just sitting back, we have enought talent to force them to beat us 1vs1 (especially after Gronk was out) and I felt we weren't aggressive enough.

It's small details but combine that with the refs not calling anything against them at all and in a close game like this you pay for it unfortunately.
Yes on the bolded. Missed opportunity there. 

Blake probably could have run for the first on that late fourth down as well. 

On the zone stuff, they didn't really play it that much, but man was it ugly a few times. I hope they make some adjustments there moving forward. I'd like more aggressive press coverage more often too.
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#79
(This post was last modified: 01-21-2018, 09:21 PM by Jags239.)

(01-21-2018, 08:20 PM)Kcirred Wrote: Wash deserves more blame than Hackett.  Guy has zero creativity, literally any defensive coordinator can do what he does.  He completely relies on the talent of the defense.

I've been thinking this for a while now. I've been asked who's better defensively Jags or Vikings. I always say Jags talent and Vikings coaching.

Edit: on 3rd and 18, pressure. I don't care if we usually rush 4. This is different. Giving Brady or Ben time to make deep throws is ridiculous.
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#80

(01-21-2018, 09:16 PM)Jags239 Wrote:
(01-21-2018, 08:20 PM)Kcirred Wrote: Wash deserves more blame than Hackett.  Guy has zero creativity, literally any defensive coordinator can do what he does.  He completely relies on the talent of the defense.

I've been thinking this for a while now. I've been asked who's better defensively Jags or Vikings. I always say Jags talent and Vikings coaching.

The Jags defense is in the right spot to make plays 99% of the time.  Coaching is fine on that side of the ball.
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