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So does Bortles get a long, big $ contract now ?

(This post was last modified: 01-22-2018, 01:25 AM by TheO-LineMatters.)

(01-22-2018, 12:59 AM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(01-22-2018, 12:55 AM)Eric1 Wrote: So now he's just a mediocre QB who will never lead this team to a Super Bowl? 

Before this season, wasn't he just a bad QB who wouldn't ever lead this team to the playoffs? How fast things can change huh.
If you had to choose: 

Which of the following statements would you find to be more accurate?

1.  Blake Bortles led the Jags to the AFC championship contest. 

2. The Jags defense led their team to the AFC championship contest.



Option 2. Our defense is elite.

(01-22-2018, 01:12 AM)Tuxedo Wrote: No, he's under contract for next season and while there were definitive improvements, he's still needs to be much more consistent if he wants to be the long term option.

YES!
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(01-22-2018, 12:19 AM)spacecoastjag Wrote:
(01-22-2018, 12:13 AM)BamboozledAgain Wrote: Alex Smith. Doesnt turn the ball over, is mobile, would not require a long term contract, and KC is gonna be willing to get whatever they can for him because everyone knows the rookie is starting next year

Pew. Alex Smith is (2-5) in the playoffs. Bortles is (2-1) and he's 9 years younger.

Alex Smith had an elite defense (top 5 scoring defense) SIX years in a row and NEVER made the AFC Championship in his career.

Typical Duval IQ in play here.

When did he start playing defense in the playoffs, and he is better than Blake and will probably cost the same. You telling me you wouldnt trust Smith game to game over Bortles?
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The 2000 Ravens defense was elite. Our defense is very good.
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(This post was last modified: 01-22-2018, 01:32 AM by JagsFanSince95.)

Nothing has changed, at least for me on what you should do with him. 4 year, 70-75 million is fair, that is a fair deal for a QB like Blake. I would still draft one this year or next, and I think at this point, you pass on Cousins altogether to save up for your team's young guns that will be FA's soon. I have grown on the idea of passing on a FA QB, Blake convinced me today he should be the QB for the next season or 2 at least. He keeps it up, he can be more than good enough to win a super bowl.

(01-22-2018, 01:27 AM)BamboozledAgain Wrote:
(01-22-2018, 12:19 AM)spacecoastjag Wrote: Pew. Alex Smith is (2-5) in the playoffs. Bortles is (2-1) and he's 9 years younger.

Alex Smith had an elite defense (top 5 scoring defense) SIX years in a row and NEVER made the AFC Championship in his career.

Typical Duval IQ in play here.

When did he start playing defense in the playoffs, and he is better than Blake and will probably cost the same. You telling me you wouldnt trust Smith game to game over Bortles?

Alex Smith right now, is a better QB than Blake on paper. I think what we saw this post season though, is Blake has some clutch qualities, he plays up to the event. It seems he has the ability to play well in big games, and I am not so sure Alex Smith does. That is something you can't coach, Blake can be better, and if he continues to improve he can be a top 15 QB.
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(01-22-2018, 01:10 AM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(01-22-2018, 01:03 AM)Eric1 Wrote: Well you admit that the QB position is the most important position on the field correct? So wouldn't that tell you that a team isn't going to get this far unless the QB does his part?

Of course this Defense is the stronger side. You could insert any QB on this team, except for the likes of Brady, Rodgers and Brees, and this Defense would still be the strongest part of this team.

I'm saying they got to/advanced in the playoffs WITH Bortles. Not LED BY Bortles.  And I think the distinction between those two things is very important. 

I'd love to see the kid develop to the point where the OC isn't scared to death to let him throw an out route from his own ten yard line. But that's where we're at right now unfortunately.

That's fair, but I'd also like to have an OC who doesn't try to out coach himself. They had no answer for anything this Offense was doing in the 1st half and they completely went away from it in the 2nd half. Why? Don't say because of Bortles, because Bortles had them rolling during the 1st half. I know that the Pats would adjust some for it at halftime, but why go completely away from what was working?

Also, where'd Grant go? He was blazing by people in the 1st half and you don't even put him on the field in the 2nd half? I think he should have gotten a few more touches in the 2nd half, but if not, he should of at least been on the field as some sort of decoy. What the hell happened there?
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(01-22-2018, 12:20 AM)JNev Wrote:
(01-22-2018, 12:13 AM)BamboozledAgain Wrote: Alex Smith. Doesnt turn the ball over, is mobile, would not require a long term contract, and KC is gonna be willing to get whatever they can for him because everyone knows the rookie is starting next year

He’s still gonna cost probably a 2nd at minimum, possibly a 2 + 3 or 4

3rd so worth it to me. Defense signed til 2019. We are at win now window wide open, insert decent QB would probably playing that game at home.
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(01-22-2018, 01:33 AM)Eric1 Wrote:
(01-22-2018, 01:10 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: I'm saying they got to/advanced in the playoffs WITH Bortles. Not LED BY Bortles.  And I think the distinction between those two things is very important. 

I'd love to see the kid develop to the point where the OC isn't scared to death to let him throw an out route from his own ten yard line. But that's where we're at right now unfortunately.

That's fair, but I'd also like to have an OC who doesn't try to out coach himself. They had no answer for anything this Offense was doing in the 1st half and they completely went away from it in the 2nd half. Why? Don't say because of Bortles, because Bortles had them rolling during the 1st half. I know that the Pats would adjust some for it at halftime, but why go completely away from what was working?

Also, where'd Grant go? He was blazing by people in the 1st half and you don't even put him on the field in the 2nd half? I think he should have gotten a few more touches in the 2nd half, but if not, he should of at least been on the field as some sort of decoy. What the hell happened there?

I've been asking the same questions, brother.  

The only answer I have is that in some reg season games they'd go heavy with LF in the second half and he'd begin chipping away at the defense and break a few big runs.  Perhaps they were trying to stay patient with that model hoping he'd break a big one, but I'd certainly have mixed Grant in there and deviated from the gut runs a bit with tosses or swing passes on early downs.
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TC is no moron and has no emotional ties to anyone on this roster. I suspect he has had his mind made up on the QB situation for months. He won't let us down.
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(This post was last modified: 01-22-2018, 01:40 AM by Upper.)

There is zero reason to. We have him under control. We have franchise tags beyond next year. We can go year by year for another 3 years at an expensive but not potential SB window killing level of committment.

But seriously, we should still be looking for an upgrade. I give a ton of credit to the staff for extracting as much blood from the Bortles stone as possible, and Blake for harnessing himself quite a bit. He did better than I thought he could have this season.

Let's be real, he still held us back a ton. How many dump offs and FB screens and FB seams and drag routes can we run before it gets figured out? I would say it already has been. The same crossers got were getting us 15-20 yards of YAC during Blake's good December stretch were already mostly mitigated just a few games later. Blake is still among the very worst in the league at being able to push it downfield and being able to make quick hitting tight window throws, which was still in full effect this season even with the team trying to keep him from having to do it as much as possible.

Even though they won't say it, the coaching staff kneeling with 55 seconds and then playing the 2nd half scared as hell proved they agree.
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We need a QB who can audible out of a run play into a 9 man box. Could BB5 do that if they took the leash off?
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(01-21-2018, 08:35 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: Bortles was great today. If not for an amazing play by Gilmore, he hits Dede for a TD on that 4th down.

I still think he plays on the option most likely, but not opposed to an extension. He outplayed Brady most of the game.

Except in the 4th quarter. You know, when games are won.
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(01-22-2018, 01:44 AM)furi0usbee Wrote:
(01-21-2018, 08:35 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: Bortles was great today. If not for an amazing play by Gilmore, he hits Dede for a TD on that 4th down.

I still think he plays on the option most likely, but not opposed to an extension. He outplayed Brady most of the game.

Except in the 4th quarter. You know, when games are won.

Or when refs swallow the flags and let patsies mug defensive players to protect the golden child.

But it's ok, enjoy the NFL kayfabe.
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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(01-21-2018, 09:02 PM)badger Wrote:
(01-21-2018, 09:01 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: Why does Henne need replacing. He had no effect on this season at all.

Because youre drafting Bortles' potential replacement as well as Henne.

Thank you.
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