Miss me with the "Its Blake's fault the coaching staff didn't trust him to drive at the end of the 2nd quarter."

It's the coaches fault. That responsibility lies with them and there's a ton of reasons why they didn't do it.

They believed in the Patriots ability to execute over their own. Again, that thought process doesn't win you Championships.

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Score b4 the half, come out with the ball. 55 seconds on the 25 with 2 to's in the championship game. Yeah, that had me stuck too.

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This was the moment we switched from playing to win to playing not to lose and it was reflected in the play of our young team and the play calling throughout the second half.

When you do this when you are playing away against a team that is lead by a guy like Brady, it's the equivalent of game plan suicide. These guys always play to win.

I'm not sure what the coaching staff thought they would accomplish. It makes you wonder if they had ever watched the patriots play before.

It completely sucked all the momentum out of our team.

Such a shame.

The [BLEEP] you going on about? We got hosed by the Zebras. We converted a 3rd and 8 or 9 to Lewis and those cheating [BLEEP] waited to see the result of the play before they decided to throw a flag out for delay of game. That's a crock of [BLEEP]. Then they allowed the [BLEEP] to march down field on an iffy helmet to helmet hit where Church led with his shoulder first and then Bouye gets [BLEEP] after he played Cooks fairly out of bounds with coverage and somehow that's PI.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

I didnt have a problem with it. After the refs marched the Patriots down the field for a TD, the last thing you wanted to do was go 3 and out and give the patriots a chance to score again. We were getting the ball back to start the 2nd half.

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Better chance of scoring points trying than kneeling. Do you really believe that we should waste a scoring opportunity with only 14 points playing a guy like Brady?

We have gotten in field goal multiple times with that amount of time on the clock. A field goal there means we are kicking for the win at the end of the game instead of having to go for it on 4th down.

Suppose they don’t take a knee there and instead they go aggressively and have something like a pick six?  I am sure you would have started a thread saying they should have taken a knee and not risked giving New England another chance to score. 

I don’t have a problem with that call. There are plenty of other play calls to hate in that game, especially in the fourth quarter.  This wasn’t one of them.

I disagree. Blake has always excelled at the hurry up offense. He was more than capable of getting us in field goal range.

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This is dumb. We throw an interception and give Patriots the lead going into halftime. Genius

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This is dumb.  We throw an interception and give Patriots the lead going into halftime.  Genius

Exactly the mindset the Patriots want you to have.

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This is dumb.  We throw an interception and give Patriots the lead going into halftime.  Genius

Exactly. And if that happened, they’d be getting killed today on the board for not taking a knee.

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

In 2017 the number of teams to kneel with 1 minute left on the clock in the 2nd quarter is....0.

Teams who play not to lose generally lose.

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It starts with Marrone. He sets the tone. Why do you think BOTH Hackett and Wash were conservative? They has been doing the same thing all year, not even sure why people are surprised by it. It isn't even a learning experience for them, this is their style and it will not change at all. Against good teams they always seem to come back into the game... against seattle, pitt, and NE... arguably the 3 best teams the Jags faced and they all stormed back into the game. Marrone is an offensive line coach who has stated multiple times he would like to run the ball on every play if he could. When they get a lead, that's what they do. It got them to the AFCC, but I don't know if it is sustainable for success. We will see because none of them are going anywhere.

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I understand both sides of the argument, but we also kicked a long FG where a miss would have resulted in TB getting the ball at mid-field. My point is, it's not like the team doesn't take risks.

Bortles has always excelled in the 2 minute offense and to not even think he could pick up 40 yards with the way we were gashing them in the 1st half is pretty much a huge slap in the face.

There are one of two things going on IMO:

1. Bortles isn't good enough to run the offense Hackett wants to run
2. Hackett isn't a good enough coordinator to call a game plan suited to Bortles' strengths.

#2 seems to be the answer these days.

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Bortles excelled at the 2 min offense early in his career. In fact, it was the only thing he was good at. I think the situation before end of half told us everything we need to know regarding keeping BB around.

No, it tells you that we have a conservative coaching staff who are just fine with how Bortles plays.

And, PS, we did just finish up the best season in 20 years with a 4 point loss, on the road, against a ref-favored dynasty. So you should really be ready for at least 3 more seasons of BB5 at the helm.

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I understand both sides of the argument, but we also kicked a long FG where a miss would have resulted in TB getting the ball at mid-field. My point is, it's not like the team doesn't take risks.

There's no risk with LAAAAMMMMMBBBBBOOOOO kicking the ball.

None.

Zip.

Zilch.

Zero.

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Bortles excelled at the 2 min offense early in his career. In fact, it was the only thing he was good at. I think the situation before end of half told us everything we need to know regarding keeping BB around.

No, it tells you that we have a conservative coaching staff who are just fine with how Bortles plays.

And, PS, we did just finish up the best season in 20 years with a 4 point loss, on the road, against a ref-favored dynasty. So you should really be ready for at least 3 more seasons of BB5 at the helm.

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I understand both sides of the argument, but we also kicked a long FG where a miss would have resulted in TB getting the ball at mid-field. My point is, it's not like the team doesn't take risks.

There's no risk with LAAAAMMMMMBBBBBOOOOO kicking the ball.

None.

Zip.

Zilch.

Zero.

I'm fine with keeping Bortles around if we find another OC to better utilize his strengths. If we stay with Hack, we need a new QB. Or a new old QB.

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I understand both sides of the argument, but we also kicked a long FG where a miss would have resulted in TB getting the ball at mid-field. My point is, it's not like the team doesn't take risks.

Bortles has always excelled in the 2 minute offense and to not even think he could pick up 40 yards with the way we were gashing them in the 1st half is pretty much a huge slap in the face.

There are one of two things going on IMO:

1. Bortles isn't good enough to run the offense Hackett wants to run
2. Hackett isn't a good enough coordinator to call a game plan suited to Bortles' strengths.

#2 seems to be the answer these days.

1. Tell me more about the offense Hackett wants to run and how Bortles has prevented him from doing so. 

2. Hackett has been on the money with his gameplans for most of the year. He has some of the best opening scripts in the entire league which is why we lead the league in opening possession scoring.

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No, it tells you that we have a conservative coaching staff who are just fine with how Bortles plays.

And, PS, we did just finish up the best season in 20 years with a 4 point loss, on the road, against a ref-favored dynasty. So you should really be ready for at least 3 more seasons of BB5 at the helm.

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There's no risk with LAAAAMMMMMBBBBBOOOOO kicking the ball.

None.

Zip.

Zilch.

Zero.

I'm fine with keeping Bortles around if we find another OC to better utilize his strengths. If we stay with Hack, we need a new QB. Or a new old QB.

Hackett called a PERFECT 1st half. He made a lot of really good calls actually in this game and he should be back next year. So you want Blake to be in ANOTHER system to start next year? Brilliant idea. Hackett was not the issue yesterday. Far from it.

3rd an 18 conversion
Jack fumble recovery blown dead
1 penalty on the Pats
DOG out of a timeout

That's the game.

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I understand both sides of the argument, but we also kicked a long FG where a miss would have resulted in TB getting the ball at mid-field. My point is, it's not like the team doesn't take risks.

Bortles has always excelled in the 2 minute offense and to not even think he could pick up 40 yards with the way we were gashing them in the 1st half is pretty much a huge slap in the face.

There are one of two things going on IMO:

1. Bortles isn't good enough to run the offense Hackett wants to run
2. Hackett isn't a good enough coordinator to call a game plan suited to Bortles' strengths.

#2 seems to be the answer these days.

1. Tell me more about the offense Hackett wants to run and how Bortles has prevented him from doing so. 

2. Hackett has been on the money with his gameplans for most of the year. He has some of the best opening scripts in the entire league which is why we lead the league in opening possession scoring.

Yes, the way he mixed it up and ran LF into a 9 man box on every 1st down in the 2nd half was "right on the money".

Hackett is a problem and needs to go.

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I'm fine with keeping Bortles around if we find another OC to better utilize his strengths. If we stay with Hack, we need a new QB. Or a new old QB.

Hackett called a PERFECT 1st half. He made a lot of really good calls actually in this game and he should be back next year. So you want Blake to be in ANOTHER system to start next year? Brilliant idea. Hackett was not the issue yesterday. Far from it.

3rd an 18 conversion
Jack fumble recovery blown dead
1 penalty on the Pats
DOG out of a timeout

That's the game.

So, you are saying Wash and the Refs are the issue? Does Wash need to go? I'd assume so since he is incapable of putting the #1 passing defense in the NFL in a position to stop 3rd and 18. Give me some answers Cleatwood.

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1. Tell me more about the offense Hackett wants to run and how Bortles has prevented him from doing so. 

2. Hackett has been on the money with his gameplans for most of the year. He has some of the best opening scripts in the entire league which is why we lead the league in opening possession scoring.

Yes, the way he mixed it up and ran LF into a 9 man box on every 1st down in the 2nd half was "right on the money".

Hackett is a problem and needs to go.

Don't confuse "most of the year" as meaning "every game". 

It's pretty clear the entire coaching was too conservative in the 2nd half. Hackett included. 

So I'll ask you this simple question. What was your expectations for the offense this season and how did Hackett fail to meet them.

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Yes, the way he mixed it up and ran LF into a 9 man box on every 1st down in the 2nd half was "right on the money".

Hackett is a problem and needs to go.

Don't confuse "most of the year" as meaning "every game". 

It's pretty clear the entire coaching was too conservative in the 2nd half. Hackett included. 

So I'll ask you this simple question. What was your expectations for the offense this season and how did Hackett fail to meet them.

My expectation was more creativity. It's like Hackett was reading this MB and didn't start throwing on first down until the entire world was complaining about it. Also, I would mix in more read option with BB mobility. Especially yesterday once they were forced to respect the run.

Edit: Also, any QB who doesn't have the capability or permission to audible out of a run into a stacked box doesn't deserve 20M a year.

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1. Tell me more about the offense Hackett wants to run and how Bortles has prevented him from doing so. 

2. Hackett has been on the money with his gameplans for most of the year. He has some of the best opening scripts in the entire league which is why we lead the league in opening possession scoring.

Yes, the way he mixed it up and ran LF into a 9 man box on every 1st down in the 2nd half was "right on the money".

Hackett is a problem and needs to go.

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Hackett called a PERFECT 1st half. He made a lot of really good calls actually in this game and he should be back next year. So you want Blake to be in ANOTHER system to start next year? Brilliant idea. Hackett was not the issue yesterday. Far from it.

3rd an 18 conversion
Jack fumble recovery blown dead
1 penalty on the Pats
DOG out of a timeout

That's the game.

So, you are saying Wash and the Refs are the issue? Does Wash need to go? I'd assume so since he is incapable of putting the #1 passing defense in the NFL in a position to stop 3rd and 18. Give me some answers Cleatwood.

No one needs to go. That's the point. Answers? Who knows but I can assure you dumping Hackett isn't one of them.

And you don't think the refs were an issue? Gimme a break. You're almost as bad at BKLYN.

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Yes, the way he mixed it up and ran LF into a 9 man box on every 1st down in the 2nd half was "right on the money".

Hackett is a problem and needs to go.

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So, you are saying Wash and the Refs are the issue? Does Wash need to go? I'd assume so since he is incapable of putting the #1 passing defense in the NFL in a position to stop 3rd and 18. Give me some answers Cleatwood.

No one needs to go. That's the point. Answers? Who knows but I can assure you dumping Hackett isn't one of them.

And you don't think the refs were an issue? Gimme a break. You're almost as bad at BKLYN.

Of course the refs were an issue, BUT we had chance after chance after chance after chance to capitalize on big stops and a turnover and did absolutely nothing due to Hackett's play calling.

All I am saying is, I am tired of people defending Hackett because of Bortles limitations. Get the man a QB he wants and lets see what he is made of as an OC.

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