Bortles had a chance to stake his claim to this team and he failed. The Jaguars need a quarterback that at least gives a chance to come back from behind. Those are the drives that define a QB, and he FAILED. He is NOT the answer for this team,  I do not think a "serviceable" QB is going to cut it anymore. The Jags front office needs to be bold and go get this team a QB that can win.

He didnt fail. Many times this season he brought us back only to have somthing not of his control ruin it. The JETS game he did a game winning drive which ended in a pass to 4net for a TD(a fantom holding called ruled it out) Then in arizona he drives us down the field and puts a perfect pass into Lees hands would be in Field goal range to win the game(lee drops it), In san fransico after the defense gave up all those points he brought us back to give us  a chance to win( one bad read by him for int cost us). and lets not forget pittsburg. Its not that he failed its the coaches. What you want is a Brady Breese Ben madden type to sling the football. It aint gonna happen. You half to look at this team and especiialy the coaches and who they are. Even if you get cousins or smith or draft a top QB that throws good. The coaches game plans are not going to change. They do not curtail the playcalling because of bb5, That is their playcalling and style. You bring in cousins he will still only pass 20 % of the time it will be run run pass its who marone and hackett are. they do not have a high powered passing attack. BB5 is more then just a serviceable QB and will continue to get better.

Hey, JF88 - a paragraph or two wouldn't hurt, lol. But I did want to address a point you made, which was a good one.

Would Coughlin/Marrone be willing to even think about changing their offense philosophy? If not, why would a QB with the style of a Cousins even want to come here? I think we're looking at a "game-manager" style QB for the foreseeable future - Bortles or whomever.

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The sun's not yellow, it's chicken.

He didnt fail. Many times this season he brought us back only to have somthing not of his control ruin it. The JETS game he did a game winning drive which ended in a pass to 4net for a TD(a fantom holding called ruled it out) Then in arizona he drives us down the field and puts a perfect pass into Lees hands would be in Field goal range to win the game(lee drops it), In san fransico after the defense gave up all those points he brought us back to give us  a chance to win( one bad read by him for int cost us). and lets not forget pittsburg. Its not that he failed its the coaches. What you want is a Brady Breese Ben madden type to sling the football. It aint gonna happen. You half to look at this team and especiialy the coaches and who they are. Even if you get cousins or smith or draft a top QB that throws good. The coaches game plans are not going to change. They do not curtail the playcalling because of bb5, That is their playcalling and style. You bring in cousins he will still only pass 20 % of the time it will be run run pass its who marone and hackett are. they do not have a high powered passing attack. BB5 is more then just a serviceable QB and will continue to get better.

Hey, JF88 - a paragraph or two wouldn't hurt, lol. But I did want to address a point you made, which was a good one.

Would Coughlin/Marrone be willing to even think about changing their offense philosophy? If not, why would a QB with the style of a Cousins even want to come here? I think we're looking at a "game-manager" style QB for the foreseeable future - Bortles or whomever.

you're lucky ifn i punctuate.

But yes everyone thinks that this run run pass is because they don't have faith in BB5. That is not the reason. This is a run first run always coaching staff. They believe in the run and good defense. And unless they get someone like breese they just are not going to change. It has nothing to do with BB5 and his ability.

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I hope we keep BB, and I think we will. If you look at 2017-18 in a vacuum, as you should with a young player, he is at the level of a "good" NFL starting QB. Not great, not elite, but "good". There aren't very many of those, and I just don't see much in the way of upgrades from Bortles level of play that would be worth it.

The downside with BB is that he may improve some more, but not much more than the level he's at now. He'll never be Brady/Rodgers/Roethelisberger. The good news is that you can win a championship with that type of a quarterback, many teams have. We nearly did this year. It's just important to be "elite" in other areas (such as defense, which we are or nearly are) and to continue to surround your "good" QB with weapons/OL. Honestly, considering our so-so OL and ridiculous run of injury bad luck at the WR position, I think it makes BB's play this year stand out even more.

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Didn't want to start a new thread for this but Adam Schefter just said the Jags are looking into Alex Smith and Cousins. If they are able to land either one, they are cutting ties with Blake.

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Didn't want to start a new thread for this but Adam Schefter just said the Jags are looking into Alex Smith and Cousins. If they are able to land either one, they are cutting ties with Blake.

I saw him on TV last night, speaking on that subject, and if that's what you are talking about, then what you say he said is not what he said.  What he actually said was openly speculative, such as, "The Jaguars aren't sure what they'll do, and they will probably look at other options..."   It was absolutely nothing new and not based on any new facts.  He was just speculating about what he thought they would probably do and it was pure vanilla.  Exactly what everyone else has been saying.   The Jags will probably look at their options.

I would also point out, Alex Smith and Cousins are both under contract and if the Jags pursue those two right now, they will be tampering and probably be punished by loss of draft picks.  

In fact, here is the video.  

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=22180498

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Didn't want to start a new thread for this but Adam Schefter just said the Jags are looking into Alex Smith and Cousins. If they are able to land either one, they are cutting ties with Blake.

link?? Dont see it on his twitter account

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Parting ways with the QB that just had you a 10 point lead into the 4th and a couple plays away from the dance could be career suicide. Especially if whom ever you bring in does not do better. If they bring in another QB and he does not reach the AFCCG it will be considered a failed move.

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Didn't want to start a new thread for this but Adam Schefter just said the Jags are looking into Alex Smith and Cousins. If they are able to land either one, they are cutting ties with Blake.

link?? Dont see it on his twitter account

See my post above.   What he said was absolutely nothing.  "I think what most people believe is..."   blah blah blah.

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Didn't want to start a new thread for this but Adam Schefter just said the Jags are looking into Alex Smith and Cousins. If they are able to land either one, they are cutting ties with Blake.

link?? Dont see it on his twitter account

I don't have a link because it was said during the Stephen A. Smith show. It could very well be pure speculation.

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Parting ways with the QB that just had you a 10 point lead into the 4th and a couple plays away from the dance could be career suicide. Especially if whom ever you bring in does not do better. If they bring in another QB and he does not reach the AFCCG it will be considered a failed move.

Are you calling Coughlin dumb?

Your logic is totally INSANE. You are assuming the Jags will reach the AFCC again next year. Just because you get there doesn't make it your rightful place. You have to get BETTER.

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Are you calling Coughlin dumb?

Your logic is totally INSANE. You are assuming the Jags will reach the AFCC again next year. Just because you get there doesn't make it your rightful place. You have to get BETTER.

No. I'm pretty sure there is close to zero chance he lets BB5 go. Which IMO would be dumb.

To the second point , yeah maybe unrealistic I admit. If Blake is released though bet damn sure the replacement better perform significantly better at the position or else. Failed move.

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Are you calling Coughlin dumb?

Your logic is totally INSANE. You are assuming the Jags will reach the AFCC again next year. Just because you get there doesn't make it your rightful place. You have to get BETTER.

No. I'm pretty sure there is close to zero chance he lets BB5 go. Which IMO would be dumb.

To the second point , yeah maybe unrealistic I admit. If Blake is released though bet damn sure the replacement better perform significantly better at the position or else. Failed move.

I can almost promise you if the replacement is Smith, the offense will perform exponentially better than last year. Especially if they get him an athletic TE and another lineman. 

Our offense doesn't have to be world beaters with our defense, BUT, and a big BUT, our offense has to have the ability to come from behind and not only be successful when playing from ahead.

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I can almost promise you if the replacement is Smith, the offense will perform exponentially better than last year. Especially if they get him an athletic TE and another lineman. 

Our offense doesn't have to be world beaters with our defense, BUT, and a big BUT, our offense has to have the ability to come from behind and not only be successful when playing from ahead.

Those would also help Blake correct?

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I can almost promise you if the replacement is Smith, the offense will perform exponentially better than last year. Especially if they get him an athletic TE and another lineman. 

Our offense doesn't have to be world beaters with our defense, BUT, and a big BUT, our offense has to have the ability to come from behind and not only be successful when playing from ahead.

Those would also help Blake correct?

yes they would. and bb5 is trending up as smith is trending down. dont see the upgrade there unless smith hands off better then blake it isnt going to matter.

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I can almost promise you if the replacement is Smith, the offense will perform exponentially better than last year. Especially if they get him an athletic TE and another lineman. 

Our offense doesn't have to be world beaters with our defense, BUT, and a big BUT, our offense has to have the ability to come from behind and not only be successful when playing from ahead.

Those would also help Blake correct?

Correct!

And Alex Smith would cost the Jags 1st round pick at a very minimum, so that athletic TE and another lineman would be late 2nd and 3rd round at best.

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

I can almost promise you if the replacement is Smith, the offense will perform exponentially better than last year. Especially if they get him an athletic TE and another lineman. 

Our offense doesn't have to be world beaters with our defense, BUT, and a big BUT, our offense has to have the ability to come from behind and not only be successful when playing from ahead.

Those would also help Blake correct?

I like Blake. Don't get me wrong. I think he has heart.

I can't get over his inability to accurately place a routine pass where it needs to be, and I can't get over how "forced" everything he does looks. Nothing looks natural.

Not to kick a dead horse, but doesn't the end of the 2nd half in the AFCCG tell you everything you need to know about his ceiling?

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I can almost promise you if the replacement is Smith, the offense will perform exponentially better than last year. Especially if they get him an athletic TE and another lineman. 

Our offense doesn't have to be world beaters with our defense, BUT, and a big BUT, our offense has to have the ability to come from behind and not only be successful when playing from ahead.

Those would also help Blake correct?

I like Blake. Don't get me wrong. I think he has heart.

I can't get over his inability to accurately place a routine pass where it needs to be, and I can't get over how "forced" everything he does looks. Nothing looks natural.

Not to kick a dead horse, but doesn't the end of the 2nd half in the AFCCG tell you everything you need to know about his ceiling?

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Alex Smith would not cost a 1st round pick.

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Those would also help Blake correct?

I like Blake. Don't get me wrong. I think he has heart.

I can't get over his inability to accurately place a routine pass where it needs to be, and I can't get over how "forced" everything he does looks. Nothing looks natural.

Not to kick a dead horse, but doesn't the end of the 2nd half in the AFCCG tell you everything you need to know about his ceiling?

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Those would also help Blake correct?

I like Blake. Don't get me wrong. I think he has heart.

I can't get over his inability to accurately place a routine pass where it needs to be, and I can't get over how "forced" everything he does looks. Nothing looks natural.

Not to kick a dead horse, but doesn't the end of the 2nd half in the AFCCG tell you everything you need to know about his ceiling?

The end of the 2nd half in teh AFCCG told me nothing about blake and everything about the coaching staff and how terrible at finishing games they are. run for 1 yd up middle, run for 1 yd up the middle then try and make a first with 1 pass when they are expecting you to pass then punt. 3 series in a row in the second half had nothing to do with blake. it was all the coaches.

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I like Blake. Don't get me wrong. I think he has heart.

I can't get over his inability to accurately place a routine pass where it needs to be, and I can't get over how "forced" everything he does looks. Nothing looks natural.

Not to kick a dead horse, but doesn't the end of the 2nd half in the AFCCG tell you everything you need to know about his ceiling?

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I like Blake. Don't get me wrong. I think he has heart.

I can't get over his inability to accurately place a routine pass where it needs to be, and I can't get over how "forced" everything he does looks. Nothing looks natural.

Not to kick a dead horse, but doesn't the end of the 2nd half in the AFCCG tell you everything you need to know about his ceiling?

The end of the 2nd half in teh AFCCG told me nothing about blake and everything about the coaching staff and how terrible at finishing games they are. run for 1 yd up middle, run for 1 yd up the middle then try and make a first with 1 pass when they are expecting you to pass then punt. 3 series in a row in the second half had nothing to do with blake. it was all the coaches.

I said previously, if Hackett is fired, I am fine seeing Blake through his 5th year option. If both stay, more of the same. Someone has to go.

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The end of the 2nd half in teh AFCCG told me nothing about blake and everything about the coaching staff and how terrible at finishing games they are. run for 1 yd up middle, run for 1 yd up the middle then try and make a first with 1 pass when they are expecting you to pass then punt. 3 series in a row in the second half had nothing to do with blake. it was all the coaches.

I said previously, if Hackett is fired, I am fine seeing Blake through his 5th year option. If both stay, more of the same. Someone has to go.

But if bb5 goes and you get smith or cousins they will do the same thing hand off hand off pass then punt. And i would rather have a QB the team trust and has taken them to the AFCCG then someone who fell apart agains teh titans in a playoff game.

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I like Blake. Don't get me wrong. I think he has heart.

I can't get over his inability to accurately place a routine pass where it needs to be, and I can't get over how "forced" everything he does looks. Nothing looks natural.

Not to kick a dead horse, but doesn't the end of the 2nd half in the AFCCG tell you everything you need to know about his ceiling?

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Alex Smith would not cost a 1st round pick.

Not at all. One year into Hacketts system I do not see how it could be fair to even talk about a ceiling. I saw a game where he spotted his D to a ten point lead late into the 4th quarter. If anything his D told me something.

I get your accuracy concerns. I also know that this year he threw some beautiful dimes as well. I believe a lot of the accuracy issues could also be related to the churn and youth/inexperience in receivers as well as an up and down performance by his o-line.

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