We don't want to give up the farm for Cousins. We merely want to give him ~10 mil more than Bortles. He's worth that.

Or are we saying keeping Bortles is giving up most of the farm?

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Overrated, $150million dollar man Kirk Coursins would help upgrade this team for 1 season. We'd then have to start ripping this roster apart due to our salary cap going to hell. Could we afford Cousins right now? Sure. But use your damn head and think just a little bit into the future...

~10 million dollars will be the difference between Cousins and Blake this year. That isn't tearing apart anything, it's less than one good player. And if Blake does what you expect him to do he'll be demanding 150 million dollars next year, while risking a valuable year of window if Blake doesn't take another step forward.

If Blake does do enough to demand a 150 million dollar contract are you going to be making the same argument that we shouldn't sign him because it will rip the team apart? Of course that's a rhetorical question I already know the answer.

I really think it’s just that simple. 

1: Either pay Cousins a $130+ million dollar contract this year.

2: Pay Blake a $130+ million dollar contract next year. 

3: Draft a QB this year for cheap the next 5 years. 

Worrying about paying everyone else will be an issue anyway you look at it if you choose options 1 or 2.

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

We don't want to give up the farm for Cousins. We merely want to give him ~10 mil more than Bortles. He's worth that.

Or are we saying keeping Bortles is giving up most of the farm?

Giving Bortles 19m and Cousins 30m are two completely different things. You give $150m to a QB, that's giving up the farm bud. I know you hate Bortles so bad (just like you do Fowler, how's Beasley doing btw lollolol), you'll look past anything just to get rid of him.

When you even have to start the discussion of signing a player, and the first thing you have to do is list off half a dozen guys you'll have to cut because there isn't enough money to go around. That's giving up the farm and that's not good.

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I'd like to see the Jags (assuming they keep Bortles) negotiate a 3 year extension at something like 15m a year (assuming they can) with some performance clauses. As much as I have criticized Bortles for his inconsistent accuracy, beyond that he has most of the other qualities you'd want in a franchise QB. It's hard to not want him to succeed.

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I'm condescending. That means I talk down to you. 
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This whole swing for the fences mentality is gonna destroy this team. We got here in the first place by thinking of the future. Let’s not ruin it by trying to swing for it all in a 2 maximum window with a guy who hasn’t even won a playoff game. If this was Brees then I’m all for it but not Cousins. Unless the deal is team friendly, which it’s wont be then I. This is a moot point anyway. Bortles a a rookie will be the qbs here

It really is incredible just how much stock people are trying to put into Cousins..

Cousins' starting record isn't even good. He's 26-30-1 and 0-1 in the playoffs. He isn't even a .500% winning QB and people honestly want to give up the entire farm for him? It's hilarious.

He has had a crap team around him.

Take example for this year.

A zillion injuries on offense all year. Down to the 4th string tailback.

Played the 3rd toughest schedule in the year with a bottom 10 defense and managed to go 7-9 with very good numbers as usual.

Does Bortles lead that team to 7 wins? History says 2-3.

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Giving Bortles 19m and Cousins 30m are two completely different things. You give $150m to a QB, that's giving up the farm bud. I know you hate Bortles so bad (just like you do Fowler, how's Beasley doing btw lollolol), you'll look past anything just to get rid of him.

When you even have to start the discussion of signing a player, and the first thing you have to do is list off half a dozen guys you'll have to cut because there isn't enough money to go around. That's giving up the farm and that's not good.

I just don't understand why math is so hard for you. There have been many people who have tried to explain this to you and others who think like you.

There is not half a dozen guys we are going to lose if we choose Cousins over Blake. Even if you are arguing it's Cousins vs a rookie QB that's still less than 25 mil difference. Still not even close to half a dozen players we'll have to cut because of Cousins.

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I'd like to see the Jags (assuming they keep Bortles) negotiate a 3 year extension at something like 15m a year (assuming they can) with some performance clauses.  As much as I have criticized Bortles for his inconsistent accuracy, beyond that he has most of the other qualities you'd want in a franchise QB. It's hard to not want him to succeed.

Especially if this wrist injury is closer to the thumb like some have rumored. It'd definitely explain for some of his accuracy issues. It's hard to throw a football if you can't fully grip it. Not saying that's the reason for some of his accuracy issues, or even the reason, but it definitely could play into some things.

I think we all agree that his footwork is something that needs to keep improving and has quite a bit to do with accuracy issues.

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I'd like to see the Jags (assuming they keep Bortles) negotiate a 3 year extension at something like 15m a year (assuming they can) with some performance clauses.  As much as I have criticized Bortles for his inconsistent accuracy, beyond that he has most of the other qualities you'd want in a franchise QB. It's hard to not want him to succeed.

I’ve suggested this earlier but not sure how realistic it is.

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

Giving Bortles 19m and Cousins 30m are two completely different things. You give $150m to a QB, that's giving up the farm bud. I know you hate Bortles so bad (just like you do Fowler, how's Beasley doing btw lollolol), you'll look past anything just to get rid of him.

When you even have to start the discussion of signing a player, and the first thing you have to do is list off half a dozen guys you'll have to cut because there isn't enough money to go around. That's giving up the farm and that's not good.

I just don't understand why math is so hard for you. There have been many people who have tried to explain this to you and others who think like you.

There is not half a dozen guys we are going to lose if we choose Cousins over Blake. Even if you are arguing it's Cousins vs a rookie QB that's still less than 25 mil difference. Still not even close to half a dozen players we'll have to cut because of Cousins.

You keep looking at it as if it's simply just one year. Yes, if it was simply one year, 10-12 million isn't a huge difference. 10-12m over 4-5 years really begins to add up and hurts you in every other area of the roster in the long run.

So now is where you'd come in and say that the salary cap keeps increasing so that wont matter. Yes the salary cap does keep increasing, as does the min salary paid to players each year. 1-2 years from now the salary cap will be higher, correct. But so will the cost of Ramsey and Ngakoue and every other player in the NFL.

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Bortles goes through stretches of throwing multiple balls into the dirt in games each season of career so far. The wrist could of played into his play this year but what about past seasons accuracy issues? Think stats would point hes been the same guy whole career.

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I just don't understand why math is so hard for you. There have been many people who have tried to explain this to you and others who think like you.

There is not half a dozen guys we are going to lose if we choose Cousins over Blake. Even if you are arguing it's Cousins vs a rookie QB that's still less than 25 mil difference. Still not even close to half a dozen players we'll have to cut because of Cousins.

You keep looking at it as if it's simply just one year. Yes, if it was simply one year, 10-12 million isn't a huge difference. 10-12m over 4-5 years really begins to add up and hurts you in every other area of the roster in the long run.

So now is where you'd come in and say that the salary cap keeps increasing so that wont matter. Yes the salary cap does keep increasing, as does the min salary paid to players each year. 1-2 years from now the salary cap will be higher, correct. But so will the cost of Ramsey and Ngakoue and every other player in the NFL.

We have enough cap flexibility to sign Cousins and still sign Yannick, Ramsey, Jack etc etc down the road. The only loss might be someone like Fowler.

For instance: We can get out of Dareus's and Barry Church's contract for free in 2019. Theres the bones of Yannicks new deal right there.

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Bortles goes through stretches of throwing multiple balls into the dirt in games each season of career so far. The wrist could of played into his play this year but what about past seasons accuracy issues? Think stats would point hes been the same guy whole career.

He played in 2016 with the same injury. He threw for over 4.4k yards and 35 TD passes in 2015. Maybe it's something to think about.

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I just don't understand why math is so hard for you. There have been many people who have tried to explain this to you and others who think like you.

There is not half a dozen guys we are going to lose if we choose Cousins over Blake. Even if you are arguing it's Cousins vs a rookie QB that's still less than 25 mil difference. Still not even close to half a dozen players we'll have to cut because of Cousins.

You keep looking at it as if it's simply just one year. Yes, if it was simply one year, 10-12 million isn't a huge difference. 10-12m over 4-5 years really begins to add up and hurts you in every other area of the roster in the long run.

So now is where you'd come in and say that the salary cap keeps increasing so that wont matter. Yes the salary cap does keep increasing, as does the min salary paid to players each year. 1-2 years from now the salary cap will be higher, correct. But so will the cost of Ramsey and Ngakoue and every other player in the NFL.

We still would have to pay bortles 25+ mil next year if we stay with him. Cousins/fa qb or Bortles not much  in salary after this year.

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I am fine with sticking with Bortles for another year but I'd like them to bring in a diff backup and draft one also.

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You keep looking at it as if it's simply just one year. Yes, if it was simply one year, 10-12 million isn't a huge difference. 10-12m over 4-5 years really begins to add up and hurts you in every other area of the roster in the long run.

So now is where you'd come in and say that the salary cap keeps increasing so that wont matter. Yes the salary cap does keep increasing, as does the min salary paid to players each year. 1-2 years from now the salary cap will be higher, correct. But so will the cost of Ramsey and Ngakoue and every other player in the NFL.

We have enough cap flexibility to sign Cousins and still sign Yannick, Ramsey, Jack etc etc down the road. The only loss might be someone like Fowler.

Still have ARob to worry about. His contract isn't going to be any less than what Davante Adams just got. That's going to be his floor.

Only loss might be someone like Fowler? We haven't had pass rushers in forever, but now we can afford to just dump em? Hopefully they can strike gold on another Ngakoue in the 3rd round then.

I have never said we couldn't afford Cousins right now. We absolutely could, but I'd prefer to try and keep up a long term success, rather than throwing all the eggs into the basket for 2 years.

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The difference is you won’t have to pay Blake 25 million plus. He will never get that unless he has a mvp caliber season or wins a super bowl. And he’s on the team that drafted him. That would allow us to structure a deal with him and the team in mind. Cousin might legit get 30 million plus a year because he is a free agent and a team will drastically over pay. We see this every year. I remember when Vernon was a free agent and people were like “we can easily get him on 12-13 million a year deal” lol. That man is making 17 million a year lol and he’s a low end defensive end.

Free agency is a totally different beast and we know that. That is the difference and that’s why we are saying “giving up the farm” or “destroying the roster 2 years from now”. What ever you think he is getting (25 million proly), add another 6-10 to that and that is the actual free agent number. We could have easily been the ducks paying Vernon 100 million and got out once it hit 17 a year. Let’s continue to be smart and not grossly over pay for a slightly above average qb who cannot carry a roster on his own. Again if this is Brees then give him whatever but not Cousins.

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You keep looking at it as if it's simply just one year. Yes, if it was simply one year, 10-12 million isn't a huge difference. 10-12m over 4-5 years really begins to add up and hurts you in every other area of the roster in the long run.

So now is where you'd come in and say that the salary cap keeps increasing so that wont matter. Yes the salary cap does keep increasing, as does the min salary paid to players each year. 1-2 years from now the salary cap will be higher, correct. But so will the cost of Ramsey and Ngakoue and every other player in the NFL.

We still would have to pay bortles 25+ mil next year if we stay with him. Cousins/fa qb or Bortles not much  in salary after this year.

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I am fine with sticking with Bortles for another year but I'd like them to bring in a diff backup and draft one also.

Not true if he wants to stay here and the popular opinion is that he's terrible anyways. You don't let Bortles hit the market, you run zero risk of other teams driving up the price.

Everybody knows Cousins is hitting the market, so his price is going to driven up ten folds.

Also another reason why I've been a fan of locking up Bortles on a 3-4 year extension right now at $17-20m. He has already said he wants to stay here, there's going to be zero influence from outside people to drive up his price and we're not having to shell out an extra $5-10m over the next couple seasons.

Draft a QB somewhere in the first 4 rounds and go from there. If Bortles flops after this season, his contract is easy to get out of and you move on.

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We have enough cap flexibility to sign Cousins and still sign Yannick, Ramsey, Jack etc etc down the road. The only loss might be someone like Fowler.

Still have ARob to worry about. His contract isn't going to be any less than what Davante Adams just got. That's going to be his floor.

Only loss might be someone like Fowler? We haven't had pass rushers in forever, but now we can afford to just dump em? Hopefully they can strike gold on another Ngakoue in the 3rd round then.

I have never said we couldn't afford Cousins right now. We absolutely could, but I'd prefer to try and keep up a long term success, rather than throwing all the eggs into the basket for 2 years.

We can easily sign Arob too.  

Yeah they might decide to trade him instead of paying him the big money he would command. Depends how he develops.  

Think about it this way. If we're sticking with Bortles we'll be playing him 25+ million in 2019 regardless. 
It'd nice be great if we had a great rookie QB on a shiny rookie contract for the next 4/5 but I don't seem that happening either.

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Ask yourself this Question...if All are healthy, rank the AFC South QBs.

1. Luck
2. Watson (just because he hasn't played a full season)
3. MM
4. Bortles.

Do you REALLY want to put all your eggs in the Bortles basket?

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We still would have to pay bortles 25+ mil next year if we stay with him. Cousins/fa qb or Bortles not much  in salary after this year.

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I am fine with sticking with Bortles for another year but I'd like them to bring in a diff backup and draft one also.

Also another reason why I've been a fan of locking up Bortles on a 3-4 year extension right now at $17-20m. He has already said he wants to stay here, there's going to be zero influence from outside people to drive up his price and we're not having to shell out an extra $5-10m over the next couple seasons.

1. Bortles has no reason at all to sign a contract that low with us. Him and his agent aren't dumb. 

2. Commiting long term to Blake right now when you already have the option this year and franchise tag would be incredibly moronic.

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I think this team are right there next year with the Patriots and Eagles as Super Bowl contenders with Cousins next year. I'm not even sure they make the playoffs next year with Blake,

There are 6 QBs that could be drafted this draft in the 1st round and no guarantee one even makes it to us. I count nine spots ahead of is in the draft where a QB could be picked, and that includes one of those teams taking Cousins.

There will not be a better chance than this to upgrade the position. Odds are low that Blake gets any better than he was this year, and odds are that if one of those QB falls to us, he turns into Paxton Lynch rather than Carr or Jimmy G.

I just see no downside in making this move. Sure, you lose a couple of solid defenders in a couple years, but that is what the draft is for and they could even restructure deals to be a part of a winning team.

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