I think you lost credibility with roster space eating OT ...well actually the metrics was a dead-giveaway.

 

 

The heirs and the lawyers are up in the dome right now waiting to explain the nature of the crime with facts, figures and falsehoods. One more F and they won't be drafted. - Deadline USA, 1952

 

Oh come now JC. Think about all of those times that the waste-of-space combination of Boselli and Searcy drug the team down to loss after loss. We don't have to suffer through that any longer! Now we get to have players with statistics! We can discuss metrics again! It'll be great!

 

"Worlds which had trembled for a moment in their orbits now steadied, and in one of those worlds, in a desert that was the apotheosis of all deserts, a man named Roland turned over in his bedroll and slept easily once again beneath the alien constellations.
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I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!

Watkins is a Harvin type.


He good but he is not a typical receiver

 

This.

 

He's Harvin lite.  He does a ton of end arounds and lines up in the backfield a lot.  He won't have the strength to be a consistent threat from the backfield in the NFL though.  One thing nobody mentions about Harvin is how strong he is.  Harvin is probably top 5 in the NFL for strength amongst wide receivers.  Watkin's very raw as a wide receiver.  He'll be a lot like Patterson his first year or two in the NFL.

 

Jared Abbrederis, in my opinion, might be the best receiver in this draft.  I have him right behind Evans at this point, but not by much.

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This.

 

He's Harvin lite.  He does a ton of end arounds and lines up in the backfield a lot.  He won't have the strength to be a consistent threat from the backfield in the NFL though.  One thing nobody mentions about Harvin is how strong he is.  Harvin is probably top 5 in the NFL for strength amongst wide receivers.  Watkin's very raw as a wide receiver.  He'll be a lot like Patterson his first year or two in the NFL.

 

Jared Abbrederis, in my opinion, might be the best receiver in this draft.  I have him right behind Evans at this point, but not by much.

 

No he's not. 

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Evans is a 4.5 speed version of Matt Jones.  He will not be able to separate from DB's in the NFL. 

 

LOL at this comment. He doesn't need to seperate from the receivers. I ask, do you know who Mike Evans is bruh?

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Titansequaltrash aka my mini me. Follows me around like a cute puppy dog.

Even if Evans can't separate from Defensive backs in nfl with speed doesn't meen  he won't be any good. Alshon Jeffery doesn't have much speed but he's great at attacking ball at highest point.

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No he's not. 

 

Yes he is.  He doesn't run NFL routes.

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Yes he is. He doesn't run NFL routes.

Well silly me for doubting you.

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This.


He's Harvin lite. He does a ton of end arounds and lines up in the backfield a lot. He won't have the strength to be a consistent threat from the backfield in the NFL though. One thing nobody mentions about Harvin is how strong he is. Harvin is probably top 5 in the NFL for strength amongst wide receivers. Watkin's very raw as a wide receiver. He'll be a lot like Patterson his first year or two in the NFL.


Jared Abbrederis, in my opinion, might be the best receiver in this draft. I have him right behind Evans at this point, but not by much.

SMH. Honestly, dude, watch a Clemson game. Doesn't have the strength? Are you kidding me? And then you say Harvin does? Come on

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Harvin put up like 28 or 29 reps.  I will put any kind of bet down that Watkins doesn't put up more than 15.  Harvin is ripped.  Watkins is average at best.

 

I watch plenty of Clemson games.  Watkins is in the backfield as often as he is downfield.  He has potential, but Clemson doesn't have him run NFL routes.  I'm not saying he can't, because I've seen him run some excellent routes, but he hasn't been in an offense conducive to actually playing receiver in the NFL and not "offensive weapon."

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He got 19.....


I think Watkins runs good routes and isn't that raw. Hes ready to be a difference maker week 1.


He's a better prospect than Blackmon was.

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I remember reading back then that he was putting up in the high 20's.  He put up 19 at the combine and 22 at his pro day.  Regardless, the point is that he's jacked and he's one of only a few players that can play a receiver and a running back role in the NFL.  Sammy was used the same way in college, but it won't translate into the NFL other than a few plays a game.  He's going to have to learn to be a traditional wide receiver.  That's his knock.

 

According to this board, every receiver who runs a fast 4.4 or 4.3 is a better prospect than Blackmon... And I doubt most/any of them will be a better pro than Blackmon, assuming he actually plays and doesn't drink/smoke his way out of the league.

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Just look at Sammy Watkins' monster Orange Bowl game.  16 catches 227 yards and 2 touchdowns.  But guess what?  He ran only 1 (ONE) route that wasn't a 0, 9, or swing pass.  ONCE the ENTIRE game.  It was a 5 yard out, and it wasn't even a good route.  This is why I am very skeptical of Watkins as a prospect.  His monster games are a result of scheme and athleticism.  He very rarely is asked to line up and beat a cornerback with his route running. 

 

How some people think that a receiver who has only run 2 routes his entire career and put up half the stats of Blackmon, who was a complete receiver in college, is a better prospect, I will never know.

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Watkins will be a star.....mark my words. (-:

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It's like you didn't even read the article. He ran more than two routes and I thought one of his touchdowns in the bowl game was on a post?


-" When he’s not running screens, Watkins has the most normal distribution of route types. This makes his overall YAC on non-screens all the more impressive because we know he’s not running an excess of routes that lead to exaggerated YAC totals."

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It's like you didn't even read the article. He ran more than two routes and I thought one of his touchdowns in the bowl game was on a post?


-" When he’s not running screens, Watkins has the most normal distribution of route types. This makes his overall YAC on non-screens all the more impressive because we know he’s not running an excess of routes that lead to exaggerated YAC totals."

Nah, he only runs two routes. FreeAgent has seen every one of Sammy's games in his three years at Clemson.

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Nah, he only runs two routes. FreeAgent has seen every one of Sammy's games in his three years at Clemson.

Well, tell him to take off those coke-bottled glasses....lol. Good chance he goes top 5. Scouts have been raving about him.

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It's like you didn't even read the article. He ran more than two routes and I thought one of his touchdowns in the bowl game was on a post?


-" When he’s not running screens, Watkins has the most normal distribution of route types. This makes his overall YAC on non-screens all the more impressive because we know he’s not running an excess of routes that lead to exaggerated YAC totals."

 

I don't care what the article said.  I dare you to watch the bowl game and tell me he ran a normal distribution of routes.  His touchdown was a 9 route.

 

I'll break it down for you... Even though the game tape is easily available on the internet and you just refuse to believe me...

 

1st Quarter:

15:00 - Lines up in backfield and takes handoff.

14:18 - Lines up middle trips left and runs a 9.

05:44 - Runs a 0.

05:29 - Runs a 0.

05:03 - Runs a 9 for a touchdown.

00:51 - Lines up in backfield and swings left.

2nd Quarter:

13:27 - Runs a 0.

11:16 - Runs a 2.  Intercepted.

08:51 - Motions from left to right into backfield and takes the flipped pass.  Essentially an end around that counts as a reception.

08:22 - Runs a 0.

07:13 - Runs a 0.

01:45 - Runs a 0.

01:21 - Swings left from the backfield.

3rd Quarter:

12:05 - Runs a 0.

05:45 - Motions right to left for the same end around that counts as a reception.

04:57 - Runs a 0.

03:13 - Swings right from backfield.

02:56 - Runs a 9 for his second touchdown.

01:57 - Runs a 0.

4th Quarter:

11:35 - Runs a 0.

10:25 - Runs a 0.

09:22 - Swings left from backfield.

08:02 - Swings left from backfield.

06:16 - Lines up slot and does an end around to a WR option pass.

02:24 - Motions from left to right and takes another end around for a reception.

 

That was every play he was involved in during the Orange Bowl.  Tell me where you see NFL routes there.  I'm not hating on the guy, but you guys are delusional if you refuse to accept that he plays in a system that specifically schemes him the ball without having him run routes.

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I don't care what the article said.  I dare you to watch the bowl game and tell me he ran a normal distribution of routes.  His touchdown was a 9 route.

 

I'll break it down for you... Even though the game tape is easily available on the internet and you just refuse to believe me...

 

1st Quarter:

15:00 - Lines up in backfield and takes handoff.

14:18 - Lines up middle trips left and runs a 9.

05:44 - Runs a 0.

05:29 - Runs a 0.

05:03 - Runs a 9 for a touchdown.

00:51 - Lines up in backfield and swings left.

2nd Quarter:

13:27 - Runs a 0.

11:16 - Runs a 2.  Intercepted.

08:51 - Motions from left to right into backfield and takes the flipped pass.  Essentially an end around that counts as a reception.

08:22 - Runs a 0.

07:13 - Runs a 0.

01:45 - Runs a 0.

01:21 - Swings left from the backfield.

3rd Quarter:

12:05 - Runs a 0.

05:45 - Motions right to left for the same end around that counts as a reception.

04:57 - Runs a 0.

03:13 - Swings right from backfield.

02:56 - Runs a 9 for his second touchdown.

01:57 - Runs a 0.

4th Quarter:

11:35 - Runs a 0.

10:25 - Runs a 0.

09:22 - Swings left from backfield.

08:02 - Swings left from backfield.

06:16 - Lines up slot and does an end around to a WR option pass.

02:24 - Motions from left to right and takes another end around for a reception.

 

That was every play he was involved in during the Orange Bowl.  Tell me where you see NFL routes there.  I'm not hating on the guy, but you guys are delusional if you refuse to accept that he plays in a system that specifically schemes him the ball without having him run routes.

If the defense is going to give me 7-9 yards on those plays......I'm going to take it all day long till they play me tight.....then that's when I burn them deep.....

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If the defense is going to give me 7-9 yards on those plays......I'm going to take it all day long till they play me tight.....then that's when I burn them deep.....

 

Jared Abbrederis beat them for 10/207 and a touchdown running conventional routes and with one of the worst quarterbacks in the country who only has about a 40 yard arm.  Just sayin'.

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Evans is a 4.5 speed version of Matt Jones.  He will not be able to separate from DB's in the NFL. 

Combine times:

 

Jerry Rice               4.7

Larry Fitzgerald      4.63

Anquan Boldin        4.8

 

Any questions?

 

 

Speed is great..............probably the 4th most important attribute a receiver can have.

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When you get into the endzone, act like you've been there before.