Haven't posted on here in a while so i'm not sure if this has been discussed.  We know Donte is pretty much one and done here.  Anyone else feel like it may not be a bad idea to let him go during cuts so we can keep one of the younger guys here longer term on the cheap?  Especially with the addition and emergence of Chark.  I haven't seen much out of DF during his NFL career that make me feel like he's head and shoulders above the other guys.  I for one would like to see Mickens or Wynn stick around for a few years.  Just throwing it out there.

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Literally the first thread i click on his this being discussed, shouldn't have jumped the gun! Well either discuss here or Mods please remove.

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LOL
See the roster prediction thread.

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For the three or four folks on this cut Moncrief train:

Do you really want the only “physical receiver” on your roster to be Marqise Lee?
Cole is amazing - but he’s not imposing his will on any DBs through physicality.
Same with Chark. They use speed and quickness.
The team needs some diversity in skill set among its wide receivers and Moncrief brings that to the table.
This gives Hackett a better toolbox to build mismatches with from week to week and provides some quality insurance to injury.

Cutting Moncrief now robs the WR corps ideal size and loads the position group with too many guys of similar skill sets.

Remember all of the “how do we replace AR15?” Gnashing of teeth?
Well, Moncrief is part of that answer.

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For the three or four folks on this cut Moncrief train:

Do you really want the only “physical receiver” on your roster to be Marqise Lee?
Cole is amazing - but he’s not imposing his will on any DBs through physicality.
Same with Chark. They use speed and quickness.
The team needs some diversity in skill set among its wide receivers and Moncrief brings that to the table.
This gives Hackett a better toolbox to build mismatches with from week to week and provides some quality insurance to injury.

Cutting Moncrief now robs the WR corps ideal size and loads the position group with too many guys of similar skill sets.

Remember all of the “how do we replace AR15?” Gnashing of teeth?  
Well, Moncrief is part of that answer.

But we have to get rid of him because he's always hurt and he doesn't deserve his salary and he's never produced and one of the young guys deserves a chance and all kinds of other stuff.

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For the three or four folks on this cut Moncrief train:

Do you really want the only “physical receiver” on your roster to be Marqise Lee?
Cole is amazing - but he’s not imposing his will on any DBs through physicality.
Same with Chark. They use speed and quickness.
The team needs some diversity in skill set among its wide receivers and Moncrief brings that to the table.
This gives Hackett a better toolbox to build mismatches with from week to week and provides some quality insurance to injury.

Cutting Moncrief now robs the WR corps ideal size and loads the position group with too many guys of similar skill sets.

Remember all of the “how do we replace AR15?” Gnashing of teeth?  
Well, Moncrief is part of that answer.

I disagree about Chark. It took the whole team to tackle him the other night. He’s a big wr

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Moncrief has the necessary skills to play split end and at the very least rounds out our WR group nicely. Even if he's gone after the year, I feel more complete this season knowing he's on the roster, and I feel like the younger guys can lean on his veteran presence. Now, we can actually save $5.6 mil by cutting him, but that means eating $4 mil as dead money which I'm sure they'd rather not do. I don't expect him cut unless he virtually disappears this Preseason. 

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'02

For the three or four folks on this cut Moncrief train:

Do you really want the only “physical receiver” on your roster to be Marqise Lee?
Cole is amazing - but he’s not imposing his will on any DBs through physicality.
Same with Chark. They use speed and quickness.
The team needs some diversity in skill set among its wide receivers and Moncrief brings that to the table.
This gives Hackett a better toolbox to build mismatches with from week to week and provides some quality insurance to injury.

Cutting Moncrief now robs the WR corps ideal size and loads the position group with too many guys of similar skill sets.

Remember all of the “how do we replace AR15?” Gnashing of teeth?  
Well, Moncrief is part of that answer.

I disagree about Chark. It took the whole team to tackle him the other night. He’s a big wr

I think he’s got some gym time to put in before he’s beating the Jam against physical NFL corners.

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Moncrief has ideal size, speed, and skills that make his upside extremely high. He is only 25 years old, and I think he's going to be a valuable piece of the WR corps this year. WRs tend to get injured during the season, so having 5 WRs that can lead the team in any given week is a plus. Put the best team on the field now, and don't worry about who is or is not on the roster next year.

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His contract is fully guaranteed, we used the remainder of the "rollover money" which wouldve been lost otherwise to ink him. He's got all the tools and will be paid the same regardless of if we keep him or cut him. If your concern is losing one of the young guys, just find some small / fictitious injury to throw them on IR until next year when Moncrief's contract is up and we still have the young WR we IR'd back on a cost controlled contract. This isn't that hard a concept. I like the youth in the receiving corps, but I think having a vet besides Marqise Lee in that receiving room has its benefits as Dede and Cole as 2nd year players aren't exactly what you'd call a "steady veteran presence"

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Championship Formula:

1) Draft Trevor Lawrence!
2) Play good physical Defense! 
3) Keep 91% of the roster healthy!
4) ???
5) Blank #2
6) CHAMPIONSHIP!!!

I'll trust the process that this front office and coaching staff has in place. We went from a dumpster fire of a team to a hard nosed team that was knocking on the door of a Superbowl.

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I think Moncrief (if stays healthy) will be a solid contributor this season. Nothing spectacular probably but I expeect him to be a reliable option when on the field.

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His contract is fully guaranteed, we used the remainder of the "rollover money" which wouldve been lost otherwise to ink him. He's got all the tools and will be paid the same regardless of if we keep him or cut him. If your concern is losing one of the young guys, just find some small / fictitious injury to throw them on IR until next year when Moncrief's contract is up and we still have the young WR we IR'd back on a cost controlled contract. This isn't that hard a concept. I like the youth in the receiving corps, but I think having a vet besides Marqise Lee in that receiving room has its benefits as Dede and Cole as 2nd year players aren't exactly what you'd call a "steady veteran presence"

According to Spotrac, only $4 mil is guaranteed. Do you have a link that proves them wrong?

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'02

His contract is fully guaranteed, we used the remainder of the "rollover money" which wouldve been lost otherwise to ink him. He's got all the tools and will be paid the same regardless of if we keep him or cut him. If your concern is losing one of the young guys, just find some small / fictitious injury to throw them on IR until next year when Moncrief's contract is up and we still have the young WR we IR'd back on a cost controlled contract. This isn't that hard a concept. I like the youth in the receiving corps, but I think having a vet besides Marqise Lee in that receiving room has its benefits as Dede and Cole as 2nd year players aren't exactly what you'd call a "steady veteran presence"

According to Spotrac, only $4 mil is guaranteed. Do you have a link that proves them wrong?

I'm not sure what Spotrac you are looking at because according to the Spotrac I see:

GTD at Sign:$9,600,000
Total GTD:$9,600,000

"Donte Moncrief signed a 1 year, $9,600,000 contract with the Jacksonville Jaguars, including a $4,000,000 signing bonus, $9,600,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $9,600,000. In 2018, Moncrief will earn a base salary of $5,600,000 and a signing bonus of $4,000,000, while carrying a cap hit of $9,600,000 and a dead cap value of $9,600,000."

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/jacksonville...ief-14500/

One of the terms of his contract was that the Jags would also guarantee his base salary.

I'm not a big fan of the contract, but unless the Jags find a trade partner for him, it pretty much guarantees he will make the final roster.

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For the three or four folks on this cut Moncrief train:

Do you really want the only “physical receiver” on your roster to be Marqise Lee?
Cole is amazing - but he’s not imposing his will on any DBs through physicality.
Same with Chark. They use speed and quickness.
The team needs some diversity in skill set among its wide receivers and Moncrief brings that to the table.
This gives Hackett a better toolbox to build mismatches with from week to week and provides some quality insurance to injury.

Cutting Moncrief now robs the WR corps ideal size and loads the position group with too many guys of similar skill sets.

Remember all of the “how do we replace AR15?” Gnashing of teeth?  
Well, Moncrief is part of that answer.

But we have to get rid of him because he's always hurt and he doesn't deserve his salary and he's never produced and one of the young guys deserves a chance and all kinds of other stuff.

Plus one for the run on sentence

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His contract is fully guaranteed, we used the remainder of the "rollover money" which wouldve been lost otherwise to ink him. He's got all the tools and will be paid the same regardless of if we keep him or cut him. If your concern is losing one of the young guys, just find some small / fictitious injury to throw them on IR until next year when Moncrief's contract is up and we still have the young WR we IR'd back on a cost controlled contract. This isn't that hard a concept. I like the youth in the receiving corps, but I think having a vet besides Marqise Lee in that receiving room has its benefits as Dede and Cole as 2nd year players aren't exactly what you'd call a "steady veteran presence"

According to Spotrac, only $4 mil is guaranteed. Do you have a link that proves them wrong?

The full $9.6m is guaranteed, according to various net sources and Spotrac also.

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According to Spotrac, only $4 mil is guaranteed. Do you have a link that proves them wrong?

I'm not sure what Spotrac you are looking at because according to the Spotrac I see:

GTD at Sign:$9,600,000
Total GTD:$9,600,000

"Donte Moncrief signed a 1 year, $9,600,000 contract with the Jacksonville Jaguars, including a $4,000,000 signing bonus, $9,600,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $9,600,000. In 2018, Moncrief will earn a base salary of $5,600,000 and a signing bonus of $4,000,000, while carrying a cap hit of $9,600,000 and a dead cap value of $9,600,000."

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/jacksonville...ief-14500/

One of the terms of his contract was that the Jags would also guarantee his base salary.

I'm not a big fan of the contract, but unless the Jags find a trade partner for him, it pretty much guarantees he will make the final roster.

Looks like I'm the one who missed the guaranteed salary part. My bad, although you almost have to wonder why even split it up if it's all guaranteed. The difference is that the $4 mil is paid up front instead of by installments, but in the books, it's the same unless he's traded. If he's traded, the Jaguars owe the $4 mil, and any paid base salary if the trade occurs in-season, while the new team would owe any future base salary.

With a fully guaranteed contract, there's absolutely no chance he's cut even if he does stink up the field in the preseason, which he hasn't.

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'02

If the Jags trade Moncrief, which won't happen, the Jags would have to eat the $4m in guaranteed signing bonus, but the acquiring team would be on the hook for his $5.6m guaranteed salary.

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Maybe we just get a 6th round pick for said young wr that cannot make the roster.

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Your thoughts become your words,
Your words become your actions,
Your actions become your habits,
Your habits become your values,
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Maybe we just get a 6th round pick for said young wr that cannot make the roster.

More likely a conditional 7th to replace the one we lost for Kessler.

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'02

Wynn and Lazard to PS.
Cole, Westbrook, Lee, Moncrief, Chark, Mickens on the 53 (Mickens inactive most game days I'm guessing)
Greene is cut.

Moncrief isn't getting cut. But turns out to seemingly have been an expensive insurance policy.
It happens. No biggie since it's a one year thing and we can cut Lee after this season with minimal dead cap too.

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