You always take the best player available regardless of what position that player plays. Why draft a less talented football player?

 

Picks are assets. You draft to covert the pick to a player.

 

Give me twenty dollars and I'll give you fifteen back. Is that OK?

 

By the same token, if your draft pick is worth twenty and you take fifteen instead, you've got less talent for your pick.

 

Caldwell took a far less talented football player then he could have. Why draft less talented players?

 

I like your money analogy, but who said there were more talented players available? If our scouts believed nobody was better than Jonathan Cyprien, he was the BAP no matter what any NFL analyst thinks.

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According to whom?

 

Also, how does this example -- which you have provided more than enough times -- relate to the post of mine which you quoted?

 

Fourthly, why is there no pizza?

 

I don't get it. Are you silly enough to contest the data on draft grades provided by the actual league?

 

The post was complementary to the facts that you pointed out enriching well beyond the point that Caldwell screwed it up this badly. A guard can have the same grade as a corner back. That's a wash as far as BAP.

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You always take the best player available regardless of what position that player plays. Why draft a less talented football player?

 

Picks are assets. You draft to covert the pick to a player.

 

Give me twenty dollars and I'll give you fifteen back. Is that OK?

 

By the same token, if your draft pick is worth twenty and you take fifteen instead, you've got less talent for your pick.

 

Caldwell took a far less talented football player then he could have. Why draft less talented players?

 

But your "money" analogy falls apart rather quickly when compared with the draft though. It's more like buying car parts. On my first trip through the parts store, I'm going to buy an engine. Hold on though, there's a really nice set of tires that will make most any engine a lot more effective. Hey! I really need an exhaust system as well. I need to get a good one before they're all gone.

 

Heck, I could draft after a three-day bender if I knew for certain that all players were graded out from 1-255. Sad reality though is that they aren't and they never will be.

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I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!

I don't get it. Are you silly enough to contest the data on draft grades provided by the actual league?

 

The post was complementary to the facts that you pointed out enriching well beyond the point that Caldwell screwed it up this badly. A guard can have the same grade as a corner back. That's a wash as far as BAP.

 

Each team has a different BAP list. One team might think this guy is the BAP. Another might think that guy is the BAP. Does that make one team wrong?

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I mean the fact that Jonahan Cyprien was the BAP is just a coincidence (if that was true) because we needed a strong safety. But it was great to pick him instead of another safety, obviously.

 

Oh, I agree. Caldwell is green behind the ears in terms of losing his GM job by not improving the talent here.

 

Not gutting the entire scouting department like a proven GM does was a sure sign he won't be around very long.

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I don't get it. Are you silly enough to contest the data on draft grades provided by the actual league?

 

The post was complementary to the facts that you pointed out enriching well beyond the point that Caldwell screwed it up this badly. A guard can have the same grade as a corner back. That's a wash as far as BAP.

 

"By the actual league"? You're kidding right? And who is the representative for the actual league? Do you mean the author that they hired to write the draft grades? Or are you under the impression that the League had access to every team's draft board, developed a system that normalizes across 32 teams, and then publishes that grade?

 

I'm sorry, I'm not buying that. The grade that you keep on putting up is one man's opinion of the players. Not some League-wide normalization of talent levels.

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I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!

But your "money" analogy falls apart rather quickly when compared with the draft though. It's more like buying car parts. On my first trip through the parts store, I'm going to buy an engine. Hold on though, there's a really nice set of tires that will make most any engine a lot more effective. Hey! I really need an exhaust system as well. I need to get a good one before they're all gone.

 

Heck, I could draft after a three-day bender if I knew for certain that all players were graded out from 1-255. Sad reality though is that they aren't and they never will be.

 

Not to start a religious discussion, but the Bible says something about that. One part of the human body can't work by itself. It goes something like this: The eye cannot say to the hand, "I don't need you." A football team is like that. The guard can't tell the cornerback, "I don't need you," because if you don't have both players you will not win the game.

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But your "money" analogy falls apart rather quickly when compared with the draft though. It's more like buying car parts. On my first trip through the parts store, I'm going to buy an engine. Hold on though, there's a really nice set of tires that will make most any engine a lot more effective. Hey! I really need an exhaust system as well. I need to get a good one before they're all gone.

 

Heck, I could draft after a three-day bender if I knew for certain that all players were graded out from 1-255. Sad reality though is that they aren't and they never will be.

 

Wrong.

 

Understand, picks are precious. Picks are assets, not car parts. Picks are converted to player-assets. Draft well and you will maintain the value of the pick which was granted to you. Draft bad and the pick is no longer worth as much. 

 

Maurice Jones-Drew just walked away and Caldwell got nothing back in terms of assets. He completely lost the value of the second round pick.

 

You wonder why we're still not talented? Our GMs fail to understand the basic concepts of assets value.

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Not to start a religious discussion, but the Bible says something about that. One part of the human body can't work by itself. It goes something like this: The eye cannot say to the hand, "I don't need you." A football team is like that. The guard can't tell the cornerback, "I don't need you," because if you don't have both players you will not win the game.

 

You're on the right track. At least, in my opinion you are, and that should probably frighten you.

 

The best analogy of the draft is imagine that you are going clothes shopping for one year. You only get one time per year to do your shopping, and everyone else has to go at the same time. Now, only one person is allowed into the store at a time and there is a time limit. You can research everything in there beforehand, but you can only buy in the same window of time as everyone else. The order by which everyone goes in is predetermined ahead of time, but it's up to you if you can talk someone into letting you take their place.

 

When you go in, you are given seven different denominations of money: You get only one of $500, $100, $50, $20, $10, $5, and $1 bills. You must spend all of each bill every time that you go in, and you cannot combine any bill except when you deal with another customer.

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I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!

And then he proceeded to take a SS over a CB, A CB over an OG, a slot WR over OG, a scat back over a CB. That was definitely a needs based draft if I've ever seen one.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

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"By the actual league"? You're kidding right? And who is the representative for the actual league? Do you mean the author that they hired to write the draft grades? Or are you under the impression that the League had access to every team's draft board, developed a system that normalizes across 32 teams, and then publishes that grade?

 

I'm sorry, I'm not buying that. The grade that you keep on putting up is one man's opinion of the players. Not some League-wide normalization of talent levels.

 

I guess you don't get the NFL Network or are a crabby player agent.

 

You most likely already know the NFL employs a variety of NFL executives. They house an entire scouting cadre. They comply all the data necessary. They duplicate results in a standardized professional approach customary to the SAME methods used by NFL teams across the league.

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Wrong.

 

Understand, picks are precious. Picks are assets, not car parts. Picks are converted to player-assets. Draft well and you will maintain the value of the pick which was granted to you. Draft bad and the pick is no longer worth as much. 

 

Maurice Jones-Drew just walked away and Caldwell got nothing back in terms of assets. He completely lost the value of the second round pick.

 

You wonder why we're still not talented? Our GMs fail to understand the basic concepts of assets value.

 

Are you saying that a player who was taken with a selection in the bottom of the Second Round, who has turned in three 1,000+ yard seasons, only one season where he did not generate 300 yards Receiving, cranked out 68 Touchdowns and may still garner the team a Compensatory Draft pick has somehow not returned value?

 

And you do know that if Jones-Drew does walk, we won't know what return the team would garner until sometime in 2015?

 

I think you might want to do a little more research and philosophy development. Just a bit. Because you're kinda coming across like you don't know how this whole thing works.

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I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!

Wrong.

 

Understand, picks are precious. Picks are assets, not car parts. Picks are converted to player-assets. Draft well and you will maintain the value of the pick which was granted to you. Draft bad and the pick is no longer worth as much. 

 

Maurice Jones-Drew just walked away and Caldwell got nothing back in terms of assets. He completely lost the value of the second round pick.

 

You wonder why we're still not talented? Our GMs fail to understand the basic concepts of assets value.

 

Who said MJD walked away? He said he wants to stay in Jacksonville. The Jaguars said they want to keep him. David Caldwell let him test the market only to find out how much he should be paid with the idea if someone offers him a job, he will match that offer. If MJD was really walking away, nobody would say any of that.

 

There is no reason to think if MJD does walk away, our second round pick lost value. You are talking about a guy who was selected by James Harris to be the backup but ended up making Fred Taylor expendable and was voted to a few Pro Bowls.

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I guess you don't get the NFL Network or are a crabby player agent.

 

You most likely already know the NFL employs a variety of NFL executives. They house an entire scouting cadre. They comply all the data necessary. They duplicate results in a standardized professional approach customary to the SAME methods used by NFL teams across the league.

 

Really. I had no idea that the NFL actually funds and deploys it's own scouting team. The purpose of which would be what exactly? It's not like the League is drafting it's own players. I mean, the only reason that the League would do that would be so that it can write articles for the entertainment of it's fans, right? Or is there some other purpose that they serve?

 

And if this scouting department's goal really is to entertain the public, why not just hire a writer?

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I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!

Not to start a religious discussion, but the Bible says something about that. One part of the human body can't work by itself. It goes something like this: The eye cannot say to the hand, "I don't need you." A football team is like that. The guard can't tell the cornerback, "I don't need you," because if you don't have both players you will not win the game.

And how has this been working out for the Jaguars over the past ten years or so?

 

Not very well.

 

The difference is using the draft to develop a talented roster. You do NOT develop a talented roster by plugging roster holes. You develop a talented roster by selecting the best football players regardless of position each and every time you pick.

 

Remember Gene Smith cried aloud he had no talent just before he was axed. 

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I guess you don't get the NFL Network or are a crabby player agent.

 

You most likely already know the NFL employs a variety of NFL executives. They house an entire scouting cadre. They compile all the data necessary. They duplicate results in a standardized professional approach customary to the SAME methods used by NFL teams across the league.

 

Prove it or it is not true. EACH TEAM has its own scouting department.

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Are you saying that a player who was taken with a selection in the bottom of the Second Round, who has turned in three 1,000+ yard seasons, only one season where he did not generate 300 yards Receiving, cranked out 68 Touchdowns and may still garner the team a Compensatory Draft pick has somehow not returned value?

 

And you do know that if Jones-Drew does walk, we won't know what return the team would garner until sometime in 2015?

 

I think you might want to do a little more research and philosophy development. Just a bit. Because you're kinda coming across like you don't know how this whole thing works.

 

Yes.

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And how has this been working out for the Jaguars over the past ten years or so?

 

Not very well.

 

The difference is using the draft to develop a talented roster. You do NOT develop a talented roster by plugging roster holes. You develop a talented roster by selecting the best football players regardless of position each and every time you pick.

 

Remember Gene Smith cried aloud he had no talent just before he was axed. 

 

If you only go by who the best player is regardless of position, you will have many players you don't need and very few you do.

 

BAP drafting will give you this: two elite players at the same position and no decent players at another position. Needs based drafting is the only way to rebuild a team.

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Yes.

Why?

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Really. I had no idea that the NFL actually funds and deploys it's own scouting team. The purpose of which would be what exactly? It's not like the League is drafting it's own players. I mean, the only reason that the League would do that would be so that it can write articles for the entertainment of it's fans, right? Or is there some other purpose that they serve?

 

And if this scouting department's goal really is to entertain the public, why not just hire a writer?

 

It's one o'clock in the morning, on a hot summer night....

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