Refusing to uphold her Oath of Office.  It has nothing to do with the speech and everything to do with border security.

Yeah I don't think that's in the oath of office. 
Haven't read it in a while though.

Refusing to uphold her Oath of Office.  It has nothing to do with the speech and everything to do with border security.

How so? I wasn't aware that refusing to push forward with unpopular legislation was somehow tantamount to dereliction of duty.

Specifically answering regarding the parts in bold.  The Oath of Office includes the following.

...I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;...

Read the preamble to The Constitution.  You know... the parts where it talks about providing for the common defense and insuring domestic tranquility.  The congress and more specifically the House of Representatives is supposed to create the budget each year.  A large part of the budget should be about providing for the common defense, ie. border security.

Pelosi along with several other democrats is ignoring her oath of office simply because of her hatred for President Trump.  Nothing more, nothing less.  President Trump is actually the one that is upholding his oath by advocating and demanding funding to secure our southern border.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

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This take simply makes no sense at all. I have no loyalty to either party, as I'm a registered Independent who hates Trump and Pelosi. This blame lays squarely on the President though. The man even stated multiple times, that he would "own" this shutdown and that he would "shutdown the government if he didn't get funding for the wall." How can you blame this on anyone other than him? I swear, he could tell some of you followers that the sky was purple and the grass was plaid and you'd believe him.

Please explain your blame theory because at this juncture it makes zero sense regardless of what words came out of either parties mouths. It’s actions that matter and that is where you may find the clue you need.

Yes. It does. The shutdown is happening, because Trump made an impossible campaign promise and his "sheep" bought into it. Now that the time has come to try and save face, by building his beloved wall, he needs to find the money to pay for it and guess what? Mexico isn't handing us a giant check. We had a budget that was agreed upon, but since it didn't fund Trump's wall, he wouldn't sign it and now we have a shutdown. A shutdown that he said he would "own". There was a direct cause and effect that started with Trump's words and resulted in him shutting down the government. That's not a blame theory. That is fact. Trump is on tape saying if he didn't get money to fund the wall, he was going to shut down the government. That is not a theory, that is a fact. What are you missing?

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Yeah I don't think that's in the oath of office. 
Haven't read it in a while though.

How so? I wasn't aware that refusing to push forward with unpopular legislation was somehow tantamount to dereliction of duty.

Specifically answering regarding the parts in bold.  The Oath of Office includes the following.

...I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;...

Read the preamble to The Constitution.  You know... the parts where it talks about providing for the common defense and insuring domestic tranquility.  The congress and more specifically the House of Representatives is supposed to create the budget each year.  A large part of the budget should be about providing for the common defense, ie. border security.

Pelosi along with several other democrats is ignoring her oath of office simply because of her hatred for President Trump.  Nothing more, nothing less.  President Trump is actually the one that is upholding his oath by advocating and demanding funding to secure our southern border.

Right and she passed a bill spending for all of those priorities.
It just didn't have the one thing that the president asked for.
Mitch McConnell's bill didn't have it either.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Yeah I don't think that's in the oath of office. 
Haven't read it in a while though.

How so? I wasn't aware that refusing to push forward with unpopular legislation was somehow tantamount to dereliction of duty.

Specifically answering regarding the parts in bold.  The Oath of Office includes the following.

...I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;...

Read the preamble to The Constitution.  You know... the parts where it talks about providing for the common defense and insuring domestic tranquility.  The congress and more specifically the House of Representatives is supposed to create the budget each year.  A large part of the budget should be about providing for the common defense, ie. border security.

Pelosi along with several other democrats is ignoring her oath of office simply because of her hatred for President Trump.  Nothing more, nothing less.  President Trump is actually the one that is upholding his oath by advocating and demanding funding to secure our southern border.

The House created a budget. It included funding for homeland security. They had it on the President's desk on January 3rd.

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Please explain your blame theory because at this juncture it makes zero sense regardless of what words came out of either parties mouths. It’s actions that matter and that is where you may find the clue you need.

Yes. It does. The shutdown is happening, because Trump made an impossible campaign promise and his "sheep" bought into it. Now that the time has come to try and save face, by building his beloved wall, he needs to find the money to pay for it and guess what? Mexico isn't handing us a giant check. We had a budget that was agreed upon, but since it didn't fund Trump's wall, he wouldn't sign it and now we have a shutdown. A shutdown that he said he would "own". There was a direct cause and effect that started with Trump's words and resulted in him shutting down the government. That's not a blame theory. That is fact. Trump is on tape saying if he didn't get money to fund the wall, he was going to shut down the government. That is not a theory, that is a fact. What are you missing?

Really should research before posting.

#1- Shutdown is happening because of partisan idiocy perpetuated by Pelosi.
#2- Wall funding has nothing to do with campaign promise. A wall has been in place for some time and requires updates and aditional sections for some areas of the nine sectors. It has received funding in every FY since inception. DHS just completed a few segment last month with money that both Pelosi and Schumer voted for, along with nearly every other Dem. All of this is public record and viewable online. 
#3- There was a budget agreed upon by both Chambers prior to shutdown that included wall funding. Pelosi delayed via amendment until after she was formalized as Speaker. Now it sits in limbo or what is called Differences. Mind you, she and Schumer previously offered over $20B. Once again, matter of public record and viewable online.
#4- Trump said he would “own the shutdown” not that he was “going to shutdown the government”. Mind you, Congress is responsible for legislation and funding. POTUS signs when mutual, recorded text is presented. Hasn’t happened. Bill can also become law without POTUS signature. Blaming Trump is the ignorant easy way out.

FACT

So what am I missing?

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Specifically answering regarding the parts in bold.  The Oath of Office includes the following.

Read the preamble to The Constitution.  You know... the parts where it talks about providing for the common defense and insuring domestic tranquility.  The congress and more specifically the House of Representatives is supposed to create the budget each year.  A large part of the budget should be about providing for the common defense, ie. border security.

Pelosi along with several other democrats is ignoring her oath of office simply because of her hatred for President Trump.  Nothing more, nothing less.  President Trump is actually the one that is upholding his oath by advocating and demanding funding to secure our southern border.

The House created a budget. It included funding for homeland security. They had it on the President's desk on January 3rd.

Please explain how The House of Representatives placed a bill on the President’s desk for signature?

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Yes. It does. The shutdown is happening, because Trump made an impossible campaign promise and his "sheep" bought into it. Now that the time has come to try and save face, by building his beloved wall, he needs to find the money to pay for it and guess what? Mexico isn't handing us a giant check. We had a budget that was agreed upon, but since it didn't fund Trump's wall, he wouldn't sign it and now we have a shutdown. A shutdown that he said he would "own". There was a direct cause and effect that started with Trump's words and resulted in him shutting down the government. That's not a blame theory. That is fact. Trump is on tape saying if he didn't get money to fund the wall, he was going to shut down the government. That is not a theory, that is a fact. What are you missing?

Really should research before posting.

#1- Shutdown is happening because of partisan idiocy perpetuated by Pelosi.
#2- Wall funding has nothing to do with campaign promise. A wall has been in place for some time and requires updates and aditional sections for some areas of the nine sectors. It has received funding in every FY since inception. DHS just completed a few segment last month with money that both Pelosi and Schumer voted for, along with nearly every other Dem. All of this is public record and viewable online. 
#3- There was a budget agreed upon by both Chambers prior to shutdown that included wall funding. Pelosi delayed via amendment until after she was formalized as Speaker. Now it sits in limbo or what is called Differences. Mind you, she and Schumer previously offered over $20B. Once again, matter of public record and viewable online.
#4- Trump said he would “own the shutdown” not that he was “going to shutdown the government”. Mind you, Congress is responsible for legislation and funding. POTUS signs when mutual, recorded text is presented. Hasn’t happened. Bill can also become law without POTUS signature. Blaming Trump is the ignorant easy way out.

FACT

So what am I missing?

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The House created a budget. It included funding for homeland security. They had it on the President's desk on January 3rd.

Please explain how The House of Representatives placed a bill on the President’s desk for signature?

The House of Representatives passed a budget on January 3rd. They did their duty to create a budget. The President and Senate Majority Leader having their panties in a wad because they don't get their wall isn't really the House's problem. The House passed a budget, as is their duty, and thus far they haven't found an alternative they like enough to pass. If the wall funding were reallocated into better security measures, I think you'd see a bill passed very quickly.

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Really should research before posting.

#1- Shutdown is happening because of partisan idiocy perpetuated by Pelosi.
#2- Wall funding has nothing to do with campaign promise. A wall has been in place for some time and requires updates and aditional sections for some areas of the nine sectors. It has received funding in every FY since inception. DHS just completed a few segment last month with money that both Pelosi and Schumer voted for, along with nearly every other Dem. All of this is public record and viewable online. 
#3- There was a budget agreed upon by both Chambers prior to shutdown that included wall funding. Pelosi delayed via amendment until after she was formalized as Speaker. Now it sits in limbo or what is called Differences. Mind you, she and Schumer previously offered over $20B. Once again, matter of public record and viewable online.
#4- Trump said he would “own the shutdown” not that he was “going to shutdown the government”. Mind you, Congress is responsible for legislation and funding. POTUS signs when mutual, recorded text is presented. Hasn’t happened. Bill can also become law without POTUS signature. Blaming Trump is the ignorant easy way out.

FACT

So what am I missing?

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Please explain how The House of Representatives placed a bill on the President’s desk for signature?

The House of Representatives passed a budget on January 3rd. They did their duty to create a budget. The President and Senate Majority Leader having their panties in a wad because they don't get their wall isn't really the House's problem. The House passed a budget, as is their duty, and thus far they haven't found an alternative they like enough to pass. If the wall funding were reallocated into better security measures, I think you'd see a bill passed very quickly.

So not on his desk, good. FYI, it was one of many budgets created by the House and Senate. Difference being, the Senate had a complete one and House partial, minus DHS. Boy they should be applauded for almost doing their job. The Senate Repubs have also tried to pass numerous bills to pay federal workers immediately, only to be shutdown by the Dems because of immigration language included that was not in line with what Trump offered as an olive branch. The issue has become one side negotiating (Rep) and the other side (Dems) demanding everything. 

Your last statement has already been proven to be a bad assumption. Already offered up, no takers.

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Yes. It does. The shutdown is happening, because Trump made an impossible campaign promise and his "sheep" bought into it. Now that the time has come to try and save face, by building his beloved wall, he needs to find the money to pay for it and guess what? Mexico isn't handing us a giant check. We had a budget that was agreed upon, but since it didn't fund Trump's wall, he wouldn't sign it and now we have a shutdown. A shutdown that he said he would "own". There was a direct cause and effect that started with Trump's words and resulted in him shutting down the government. That's not a blame theory. That is fact. Trump is on tape saying if he didn't get money to fund the wall, he was going to shut down the government. That is not a theory, that is a fact. What are you missing?

Really should research before posting.

#1- Shutdown is happening because of partisan idiocy perpetuated by Pelosi.
#2- Wall funding has nothing to do with campaign promise. A wall has been in place for some time and requires updates and aditional sections for some areas of the nine sectors. It has received funding in every FY since inception. DHS just completed a few segment last month with money that both Pelosi and Schumer voted for, along with nearly every other Dem. All of this is public record and viewable online. 
#3- There was a budget agreed upon by both Chambers prior to shutdown that included wall funding. Pelosi delayed via amendment until after she was formalized as Speaker. Now it sits in limbo or what is called Differences. Mind you, she and Schumer previously offered over $20B. Once again, matter of public record and viewable online.
#4- Trump said he would “own the shutdown” not that he was “going to shutdown the government”. Mind you, Congress is responsible for legislation and funding. POTUS signs when mutual, recorded text is presented. Hasn’t happened. Bill can also become law without POTUS signature. Blaming Trump is the ignorant easy way out.

FACT

So what am I missing?

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#1 Is just simply untrue. It is the opinion of someone who is completely biased. 
#2 Adding to an existing structure, is building a new wall. If there was nothing there and he wants to put something there, it's new. 
#3 Pelosi and Schumer aren't the ones demanding miles and miles of additional structure to be added to the existing structure. They were willing to give additional funds for border security, but it wasn't exactly what Trump wanted, so he said he was going to shutdown the government and he did. Please don't make me defend Pelosi or Schumer ever again. It leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. I can't stand them, but in this case, they are correct. 
#4 Now we're getting into semantics. Owning the shutdown and shutting down the government are the same things. He was taking responsibility for the shutdown and he was proud of it. Here is the actual video. Check out 7:06 into the conversation and then again at 9:48. It's very clear. 

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Really should research before posting.

#1- Shutdown is happening because of partisan idiocy perpetuated by Pelosi.
#2- Wall funding has nothing to do with campaign promise. A wall has been in place for some time and requires updates and aditional sections for some areas of the nine sectors. It has received funding in every FY since inception. DHS just completed a few segment last month with money that both Pelosi and Schumer voted for, along with nearly every other Dem. All of this is public record and viewable online. 
#3- There was a budget agreed upon by both Chambers prior to shutdown that included wall funding. Pelosi delayed via amendment until after she was formalized as Speaker. Now it sits in limbo or what is called Differences. Mind you, she and Schumer previously offered over $20B. Once again, matter of public record and viewable online.
#4- Trump said he would “own the shutdown” not that he was “going to shutdown the government”. Mind you, Congress is responsible for legislation and funding. POTUS signs when mutual, recorded text is presented. Hasn’t happened. Bill can also become law without POTUS signature. Blaming Trump is the ignorant easy way out.

FACT

So what am I missing?

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#1 Is just simply untrue. It is the opinion of someone who is completely biased. 
#2 Adding to an existing structure, is building a new wall. If there was nothing there and he wants to put something there, it's new. 
#3 Pelosi and Schumer aren't the ones demanding miles and miles of additional structure to be added to the existing structure. They were willing to give additional funds for border security, but it wasn't exactly what Trump wanted, so he said he was going to shutdown the government and he did. Please don't make me defend Pelosi or Schumer ever again. It leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. I can't stand them, but in this case, they are correct. 
#4 Now we're getting into semantics. Owning the shutdown and shutting down the government are the same things. He was taking responsibility for the shutdown and he was proud of it. Here is the actual video. Check out 7:06 into the conversation and then again at 9:48. It's very clear. 

This is not me being partisan, just using common sense, knowledge of how the government works, and deductive reasoning. Go ahead and baaaahhh! The media has you so blinded. Step away and read all of the House and Senate bills/votes since mid December. Go on the DHS and Customs & Border Protection websites. All of the reports, news, and “way forward” are in black and white. Here you will see what DHS and CBP are and have been requesting even before Trump made it to office. You may also learn why the “wall” term keeps getting used. I don’t care if he said mexico will pay for it and I don’t care if during his first attempt he placades them by stating he’d own the shutdown. Only a fool takes those words at face value. I care about action and whether you like him or not, Trump is the only one attempting to negotiate. Oddly enough, he included what the Dems have asked for when they first offered $25B! What has Mrs. Speaker put on the table? What did Rep or Americans get in return...an ongoing shutdown! The Dems can’t even pass a complete CR to fund all agencies until February so folks can get paid. 

Look, I’m no longer going to argue over your perception of things. I just ask that you go dig deeper yourself and you’ll realize how twisted up the situation has gotten in an effort to keep Trump looking like the bad guy. I’ll sit back and wait for Pelosi to put an offer on the table...any offer at this point.

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#1 Is just simply untrue. It is the opinion of someone who is completely biased. 
#2 Adding to an existing structure, is building a new wall. If there was nothing there and he wants to put something there, it's new. 
#3 Pelosi and Schumer aren't the ones demanding miles and miles of additional structure to be added to the existing structure. They were willing to give additional funds for border security, but it wasn't exactly what Trump wanted, so he said he was going to shutdown the government and he did. Please don't make me defend Pelosi or Schumer ever again. It leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. I can't stand them, but in this case, they are correct. 
#4 Now we're getting into semantics. Owning the shutdown and shutting down the government are the same things. He was taking responsibility for the shutdown and he was proud of it. Here is the actual video. Check out 7:06 into the conversation and then again at 9:48. It's very clear. 

This is not me being partisan, just using common sense, knowledge of how the government works, and deductive reasoning. Go ahead and baaaahhh! The media has you so blinded. Step away and read all of the House and Senate bills/votes since mid December. Go on the DHS and Customs & Border Protection websites. All of the reports, news, and “way forward” are in black and white. Here you will see what DHS and CBP are and have been requesting even before Trump made it to office. You may also learn why the “wall” term keeps getting used. I don’t care if he said mexico will pay for it and I don’t care if during his first attempt he placades them by stating he’d own the shutdown. Only a fool takes those words at face value. I care about action and whether you like him or not, Trump is the only one attempting to negotiate. Oddly enough, he included what the Dems have asked for when they first offered $25B! What has Mrs. Speaker put on the table? What did Rep or Americans get in return...an ongoing shutdown! The Dems can’t even pass a complete CR to fund all agencies until February so folks can get paid. 

Look, I’m no longer going to argue over your perception of things. I just ask that you go dig deeper yourself and you’ll realize how twisted up the situation has gotten in an effort to keep Trump looking like the bad guy. I’ll sit back and wait for Pelosi to put an offer on the table...any offer at this point.

That's where we differ. I do care. I care very much. I hold someone to their word, no matter how ridiculous the promise.

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I'll agree on one point, only a fool takes anything Trump says at face value.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

This is not me being partisan, just using common sense, knowledge of how the government works, and deductive reasoning. Go ahead and baaaahhh! The media has you so blinded. Step away and read all of the House and Senate bills/votes since mid December. Go on the DHS and Customs & Border Protection websites. All of the reports, news, and “way forward” are in black and white. Here you will see what DHS and CBP are and have been requesting even before Trump made it to office. You may also learn why the “wall” term keeps getting used. I don’t care if he said mexico will pay for it and I don’t care if during his first attempt he placades them by stating he’d own the shutdown. Only a fool takes those words at face value. I care about action and whether you like him or not, Trump is the only one attempting to negotiate. Oddly enough, he included what the Dems have asked for when they first offered $25B! What has Mrs. Speaker put on the table? What did Rep or Americans get in return...an ongoing shutdown! The Dems can’t even pass a complete CR to fund all agencies until February so folks can get paid. 

Look, I’m no longer going to argue over your perception of things. I just ask that you go dig deeper yourself and you’ll realize how twisted up the situation has gotten in an effort to keep Trump looking like the bad guy. I’ll sit back and wait for Pelosi to put an offer on the table...any offer at this point.

That's where we differ. I do care. I care very much. I hold someone to their word, no matter how ridiculous the promise.

Then you should be okay with the wall huh? I mean it was a campaign promise and serves as a vital element to National Security, right? Caring is one thing but literal thinking is quite another.

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That's where we differ. I do care. I care very much. I hold someone to their word, no matter how ridiculous the promise.

Then you should be okay with the wall huh? I mean it was a campaign promise and serves as a vital element to National Security, right? Caring is one thing but literal thinking is quite another.

Are you being dense on purpose?
O-line wants Mexico to pay for it.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Then you should be okay with the wall huh? I mean it was a campaign promise and serves as a vital element to National Security, right? Caring is one thing but literal thinking is quite another.

Are you being dense on purpose?
O-line wants Mexico to pay for it.

Keep up. Already been discussed adnauseam and not the root of the issue. Maybe you can better answer the question I asked him.

It amazes me that people like you believe another country is responsible for our national security. I know you've become numb or dismissive to the fact that we send billions abroad for other countries security but that won't be reciprocated here.

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Are you being dense on purpose?
O-line wants Mexico to pay for it.

Keep up. Already been discussed adnauseam and not the root of the issue. Maybe you can better answer the question I asked him.

It amazes me that people like you believe another country is responsible for our national security. I know you've become numb or dismissive to the fact that we send billions abroad for other countries security but that won't be reciprocated here.

If another country isn't responsible for our national security, why were we promised that they would be? Savings from a trade deal aren't anywhere near the same thing as the promised check from Mexico.

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Keep up. Already been discussed adnauseam and not the root of the issue. Maybe you can better answer the question I asked him.

It amazes me that people like you believe another country is responsible for our national security. I know you've become numb or dismissive to the fact that we send billions abroad for other countries security but that won't be reciprocated here.

If another country isn't responsible for our national security, why were we promised that they would be? Savings from a trade deal aren't anywhere near the same thing as the promised check from Mexico.

Only a moron literally thought Mexico would write a check. You are better than this TJ.

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Are you being dense on purpose?
O-line wants Mexico to pay for it.

Keep up. Already been discussed adnauseam and not the root of the issue. Maybe you can better answer the question I asked him.

It amazes me that people like you believe another country is responsible for our national security. I know you've become numb or dismissive to the fact that we send billions abroad for other countries security but that won't be reciprocated here.

You keep missing the point.
It's like you're trying to miss it.
No, we do not believe Mexico is responsible to pay for a wall.  We agree that it is ridiculous.
We knew from the beginning it was ridiculous.
We want Trump to pay a price for lying.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

If another country isn't responsible for our national security, why were we promised that they would be? Savings from a trade deal aren't anywhere near the same thing as the promised check from Mexico.

Only a moron literally thought Mexico would write a check. You are better than this TJ.

If you can show me one credible quote, one example, one video of Trump saying on the campaign trail that Mexico would indirectly pay for the wall by means of funds from trade deals being appropriated towards it (that's still not how that works, btw), I'll shut up about it and you'll never hear a peep from me on the subject again. Until then, I'm just holding the man to his campaign promise to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it. Once the check clears, he can build all the walls he wants to with it.

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Keep up. Already been discussed adnauseam and not the root of the issue. Maybe you can better answer the question I asked him.

It amazes me that people like you believe another country is responsible for our national security. I know you've become numb or dismissive to the fact that we send billions abroad for other countries security but that won't be reciprocated here.

You keep missing the point.
It's like you're trying to miss it.
No, we do not believe Mexico is responsible to pay for a wall.  We agree that it is ridiculous.
We knew from the beginning it was ridiculous.
We want Trump to pay a price for lying.

What is your point? Even if Mexico stroked a check it still has to go through our government for appropriations which is where we are. See how it fixes nothing? Christ.
What's this we [BLEEP] by the way? So you want suffrage over pride? Just dumb. 

Anyways, Trump will make a deal to open government for a month and then we'll be right back to where we are. The Dems holding the money bag with no answer to border security. Simply irresponsible. Going to be a mess when Venezuela unfolds and they all head this way.

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Only a moron literally thought Mexico would write a check. You are better than this TJ.

If you can show me one credible quote, one example, one video of Trump saying on the campaign trail that Mexico would indirectly pay for the wall by means of funds from trade deals being appropriated towards it (that's still not how that works, btw), I'll shut up about it and you'll never hear a peep from me on the subject again. Until then, I'm just holding the man to his campaign promise to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it. Once the check clears, he can build all the walls he wants to with it.

Education is really a let down nowadays. It literally doesn't matter if Mexico shipped pallets of cash and dropped it on the steps of the Capital. The appropriations/funding process does not change. Remember the Gofundme? How'd that go? This isn't rocket science.

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