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(01-22-2019, 02:26 PM)TJBender Wrote:  At least a pet rock doesn't say anything stupid.

Are you speaking of Mike Pence?

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(01-22-2019, 12:54 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: She's getting attention, that's for sure.

Personally, I'd like to see her attack things in a more realistic manner if she's going after the filthy rich (e.g. tax shelters, severance pays/hush money, etc.).  That said, I think ideas like that have already been presented to no avail so she's doing things that is easy to understand and gets a lot of attention.  We're in the Reality Show Era of Politics so this is what we get.

Exactly.
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Listening to Kamala Harris and her platform I am convinced of my personal belief: AOC is being promoted by the media as a straw woman to make other elected democrats look mainstream.

Harris is promoting everything out of the DSA playbook, but compared to Cortez she's being presented as presidential, classy, polished, experienced, etc.
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(01-29-2019, 08:00 AM)jj82284 Wrote: Listening to Kamala Harris and her platform I am convinced of my personal belief: AOC is being promoted by the media as a straw woman to make other elected democrats look mainstream.  

Harris is promoting everything out of the DSA playbook, but compared to Cortez she's being presented as presidential, classy, polished, experienced, etc.

This drives me crazy. I guess seeing a conspiracy is easier than thinking.

"The Media" (you mean Fox?) is "promoting" (it's called covering) AOC because people like you and other conservatives keep talking about her. She makes outrageous claims and comments and commentators talk about her. It's called being newsworthy. "The Media" (you mean Fox?) isn't promoting anyone.

I know you'd rather think there is some secret agenda - it helps you know what to think and what not to think.
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(01-29-2019, 09:52 AM)Adam2012 Wrote:
(01-29-2019, 08:00 AM)jj82284 Wrote: Listening to Kamala Harris and her platform I am convinced of my personal belief: AOC is being promoted by the media as a straw woman to make other elected democrats look mainstream.  

Harris is promoting everything out of the DSA playbook, but compared to Cortez she's being presented as presidential, classy, polished, experienced, etc.

This drives me crazy. I guess seeing a conspiracy is easier than thinking.

"The Media" (you mean Fox?) is "promoting" (it's called covering) AOC because people like you and other conservatives keep talking about her. She makes outrageous claims and comments and commentators talk about her. It's called being newsworthy. "The Media" (you mean Fox?) isn't promoting anyone.

I know you'd rather think there is some secret agenda - it helps you know what to think and what not to think.
CNN, MSNBC, and liberal talk show circuit has been promoting AOC as the new generation of Dem...until now. AOC has made the Dems look like fools but those tidbits or being newsworthy were never aired on the lefts media conglomerate. There is a new darling in Kamala. If there is any doubt, go look at nearly every media political section. There is no secret agenda with the media. It is blatant anti-Trump. You can pretent and put your fingers in your ears all you want, but it doesn’t eliminate the blatant hate and obvious agenda that has been at play since Trump said he was running for POTUS.
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AOC's elaborate answer on how to pay for Medicare for all..... "You just pay for it".
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(01-29-2019, 10:12 AM)B2hibry Wrote:
(01-29-2019, 09:52 AM)Adam2012 Wrote: This drives me crazy. I guess seeing a conspiracy is easier than thinking.

"The Media" (you mean Fox?) is "promoting" (it's called covering) AOC because people like you and other conservatives keep talking about her. She makes outrageous claims and comments and commentators talk about her. It's called being newsworthy. "The Media" (you mean Fox?) isn't promoting anyone.

I know you'd rather think there is some secret agenda - it helps you know what to think and what not to think.
CNN, MSNBC, and liberal talk show circuit has been promoting AOC as the new generation of Dem...until now. AOC has made the Dems look like fools but those tidbits or being newsworthy were never aired on the lefts media conglomerate. There is a new darling in Kamala. If there is any doubt, go look at nearly every media political section. There is no secret agenda with the media. It is blatant anti-Trump. You can pretent and put your fingers in your ears all you want, but it doesn’t eliminate the blatant hate and obvious agenda that has been at play since Trump said he was running for POTUS.

Right-wingers - always playing the victim. When the press quotes someone, when they report what someone said or did, they're always out to get poor old Donald.

Boy, if Donald ever got some press coverage ...
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(01-29-2019, 08:00 AM)jj82284 Wrote: Listening to Kamala Harris and her platform I am convinced of my personal belief: AOC is being promoted by the media as a straw woman to make other elected democrats look mainstream.  

Harris is promoting everything out of the DSA playbook, but compared to Cortez she's being presented as presidential, classy, polished, experienced, etc.

That's actually not a bad theory. I'm still waiting for Pelosi to hijack Cortez and groom her to be the Pelosi-fied leader of the next wave of Democrats. I'm sure it's coming, and I'm sure that was Pelosi's intent from the second she agreed to limit herself to four years as Speaker.
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Let's never forget the fact that actual voters elected a woman who said unemployment is low because people are working two jobs.

God help us.
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(01-29-2019, 01:51 PM)Adam2012 Wrote:
(01-29-2019, 10:12 AM)B2hibry Wrote: CNN, MSNBC, and liberal talk show circuit has been promoting AOC as the new generation of Dem...until now. AOC has made the Dems look like fools but those tidbits or being newsworthy were never aired on the lefts media conglomerate. There is a new darling in Kamala. If there is any doubt, go look at nearly every media political section. There is no secret agenda with the media. It is blatant anti-Trump. You can pretent and put your fingers in your ears all you want, but it doesn’t eliminate the blatant hate and obvious agenda that has been at play since Trump said he was running for POTUS.

Right-wingers - always playing the victim. When the press quotes someone, when they report what someone said or did, they're always out to get poor old Donald.

Boy, if Donald ever got some press coverage ...
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(01-29-2019, 10:18 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: AOC's elaborate answer on how to pay for Medicare for all..... "You just pay for it".

She means it literally too. "You" with fingers pointed at us.
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I've seen a few folks like Adam try and be dismissive of AOC and attempt to redirect with typical "fox news", "trumpettes", blah, blah. While she comes off completely ignorant, don't we have to take her serious? Why can't she be viewed as a Dem figurehead? After all, she is a Congresswoman getting paid to legislate and represent her district. She is also a Hispanic woman. Fair or not, this panders to the woman's rights, equality and diversity crowd. She is also assigned to Committee on Financial Services and the Oversight Committee. Two of the more influential in the House. The naive little girl routine will wear off and like it or not, she is a socialist representing the democratic party. If the party didn't support her rhetoric, she would have been reeled in long ago.

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(01-29-2019, 01:51 PM)Adam2012 Wrote:
(01-29-2019, 10:12 AM)B2hibry Wrote: CNN, MSNBC, and liberal talk show circuit has been promoting AOC as the new generation of Dem...until now. AOC has made the Dems look like fools but those tidbits or being newsworthy were never aired on the lefts media conglomerate. There is a new darling in Kamala. If there is any doubt, go look at nearly every media political section. There is no secret agenda with the media. It is blatant anti-Trump. You can pretent and put your fingers in your ears all you want, but it doesn’t eliminate the blatant hate and obvious agenda that has been at play since Trump said he was running for POTUS.

Right-wingers - always playing the victim. When the press quotes someone, when they report what someone said or did, they're always out to get poor old Donald.

Boy, if Donald ever got some press coverage ...

The victim? The party of snowflakes saying that about conservatives is just sad.

the media is blatantly anti-trump, they've been blatantly anti-conservative since I can remember. I mean the media allowed a rapist in Bill Clinton to be President.. and people still love that rapist. And that's what he is. A redneck rapist from Arkansas. But because of that all-important D by his name, he was treated as untouchable.

If you can't see the blatant hate for conservatives on open display in the media... then you're just blindly accepting it because you've been conditioned to believe it's true.
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(01-30-2019, 09:14 AM)B2hibry Wrote: I've seen a few folks like Adam try and be dismissive of AOC and attempt to redirect with typical "fox news", "trumpettes", blah, blah. While she comes off completely ignorant, don't we have to take her serious? Why can't she be viewed as a Dem figurehead? After all, she is a Congresswoman getting paid to legislate and represent her district. She is also a Hispanic woman. Fair or not, this panders to the woman's rights, equality and diversity crowd. She is also assigned to Committee on Financial Services and the Oversight Committee. Two of the more influential in the House. The naive little girl routine will wear off and like it or not, she is a socialist representing the democratic party. If the party didn't support her rhetoric, she would have been reeled in long ago.

"All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then success is sure."  - Mark Twain

That's pretty ignorant. What power does she have? On which committee is a chairwoman? What bills has she passed?

It's humorous how much fear she engenders. What is it about right-wingers that makes them cower in fear regarding women? AOC has all the righties drooling in a corner. Stroud is already whimpering about K. Harris. And Hillary gave everone a stroke.

I guess you're a big fan of Rep. Steve King, right? I guess he's the face of the Republican Party, right? This stupid, little racist Trumpette represents all Republicans, right? Why did it take so long for him to be addressed?

See how silly your argument is? But go ahead - live in fake fear. AOC thanks you for helping make her famous. And it was so easy.
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(01-30-2019, 09:33 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote:
(01-29-2019, 01:51 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: Right-wingers - always playing the victim. When the press quotes someone, when they report what someone said or did, they're always out to get poor old Donald.

Boy, if Donald ever got some press coverage ...

The victim? The party of snowflakes saying that about conservatives is just sad.

the media is blatantly anti-trump, they've been blatantly anti-conservative since I can remember. I mean the media allowed a rapist in Bill Clinton to be President.. and people still love that rapist. And that's what he is. A redneck rapist from Arkansas. But because of that all-important D by his name, he was treated as untouchable.

If you can't see the blatant hate for conservatives on open display in the media... then you're just blindly accepting it because you've been conditioned to believe it's true.

lol ... "the media allowed a rapist in Bill Clinton to be President" wow, can't get more paranoid than that. And here I thought we had elections. Should we check with you and Fox News from now on as to who meets your lofty standards?

Once you've supported Donald Trump you've forfeited all claims to any moral authority.

And I'm sorry - if Donald does stupid things and says stupid things and tweets stupid things and surrounds himself with stupid people it's going to be reported. Perhaps you prefer the North Korea school of journalism.
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(01-30-2019, 10:40 AM)Adam2012 Wrote:
(01-30-2019, 09:14 AM)B2hibry Wrote: I've seen a few folks like Adam try and be dismissive of AOC and attempt to redirect with typical "fox news", "trumpettes", blah, blah. While she comes off completely ignorant, don't we have to take her serious? Why can't she be viewed as a Dem figurehead? After all, she is a Congresswoman getting paid to legislate and represent her district. She is also a Hispanic woman. Fair or not, this panders to the woman's rights, equality and diversity crowd. She is also assigned to Committee on Financial Services and the Oversight Committee. Two of the more influential in the House. The naive little girl routine will wear off and like it or not, she is a socialist representing the democratic party. If the party didn't support her rhetoric, she would have been reeled in long ago.

"All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then success is sure."  - Mark Twain

That's pretty ignorant. What power does she have? On which committee is a chairwoman? What bills has she passed?

It's humorous how much fear she engenders. What is it about right-wingers that makes them cower in fear regarding women? AOC has all the righties drooling in a corner. Stroud is already whimpering about K. Harris. And Hillary gave everone a stroke.

I guess you're a big fan of Rep. Steve King, right? I guess he's the face of the Republican Party, right? This stupid, little racist Trumpette represents all Republicans, right? Why did it take so long for him to be addressed?

See how silly your argument is? But go ahead - live in fake fear. AOC thanks you for helping make her famous. And it was so easy.

AOC is on the House Financial Services Committee.
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(01-30-2019, 10:47 AM)Adam2012 Wrote:
(01-30-2019, 09:33 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: The victim? The party of snowflakes saying that about conservatives is just sad.

the media is blatantly anti-trump, they've been blatantly anti-conservative since I can remember. I mean the media allowed a rapist in Bill Clinton to be President.. and people still love that rapist. And that's what he is. A redneck rapist from Arkansas. But because of that all-important D by his name, he was treated as untouchable.

If you can't see the blatant hate for conservatives on open display in the media... then you're just blindly accepting it because you've been conditioned to believe it's true.

lol ... "the media allowed a rapist in Bill Clinton to be President" wow, can't get more paranoid than that. And here I thought we had elections. Should we check with you and Fox News from now on as to who meets your lofty standards?

Once you've supported Donald Trump you've forfeited all claims to any moral authority.

And I'm sorry - if Donald does stupid things and says stupid things and tweets stupid things and surrounds himself with stupid people it's going to be reported. Perhaps you prefer the North Korea school of journalism.

No one has ever claimed Donald Trump raped them.

What's the count up to for Bill? 17?
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(01-30-2019, 10:40 AM)Adam2012 Wrote:
(01-30-2019, 09:14 AM)B2hibry Wrote: I've seen a few folks like Adam try and be dismissive of AOC and attempt to redirect with typical "fox news", "trumpettes", blah, blah. While she comes off completely ignorant, don't we have to take her serious? Why can't she be viewed as a Dem figurehead? After all, she is a Congresswoman getting paid to legislate and represent her district. She is also a Hispanic woman. Fair or not, this panders to the woman's rights, equality and diversity crowd. She is also assigned to Committee on Financial Services and the Oversight Committee. Two of the more influential in the House. The naive little girl routine will wear off and like it or not, she is a socialist representing the democratic party. If the party didn't support her rhetoric, she would have been reeled in long ago.

"All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then success is sure."  - Mark Twain

That's pretty ignorant. What power does she have? On which committee is a chairwoman? What bills has she passed?

It's humorous how much fear she engenders. What is it about right-wingers that makes them cower in fear regarding women? AOC has all the righties drooling in a corner. Stroud is already whimpering about K. Harris. And Hillary gave everone a stroke.

I guess you're a big fan of Rep. Steve King, right? I guess he's the face of the Republican Party, right? This stupid, little racist Trumpette represents all Republicans, right? Why did it take so long for him to be addressed?

See how silly your argument is? But go ahead - live in fake fear. AOC thanks you for helping make her famous. And it was so easy.
So another one that doesn't understand how government works. Do you ever post on topic without vitriolic and redirecting emotion? Is paying attention to the negative direction of a party "cowering" in your world? In the same breath, you complain that it took too long to address Rep. King but it is "drooling in the corner" to recognize the early issues with AOC and a few others? Hypocrite got it.

I don't see where anyone is "living in fear."  Certainly not me. I'm sitting over here laughing at you and AOC. You have a common disconnect for sure. It's okay though. It would just be nice to actually have you respond with something less emotional and more cerebral. Maybe refreshing to get a true idea of what Adam is all about instead of picturing someone's unmedicated drunk uncle.
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(01-30-2019, 10:47 AM)Adam2012 Wrote:
(01-30-2019, 09:33 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: The victim? The party of snowflakes saying that about conservatives is just sad.

the media is blatantly anti-trump, they've been blatantly anti-conservative since I can remember. I mean the media allowed a rapist in Bill Clinton to be President.. and people still love that rapist. And that's what he is. A redneck rapist from Arkansas. But because of that all-important D by his name, he was treated as untouchable.

If you can't see the blatant hate for conservatives on open display in the media... then you're just blindly accepting it because you've been conditioned to believe it's true.

lol ... "the media allowed a rapist in Bill Clinton to be President" wow, can't get more paranoid than that. And here I thought we had elections. Should we check with you and Fox News from now on as to who meets your lofty standards?

Once you've supported Donald Trump you've forfeited all claims to any moral authority.

And I'm sorry - if Donald does stupid things and says stupid things and tweets stupid things and surrounds himself with stupid people it's going to be reported. Perhaps you prefer the North Korea school of journalism.
Curious to hear what direction your moral needle points if you are dismissive of Clinton but Trump is the devil. 

Also, a bit comical that morality has rushed its way into government when government is wholly an amoral grouping. You've alluded to it yourself that an individual should not be held responsible for the group he/she belongs. Hmm. So AOC and her socialists beliefs...yea or nay?
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(01-30-2019, 09:14 AM)B2hibry Wrote: I've seen a few folks like Adam try and be dismissive of AOC and attempt to redirect with typical "fox news", "trumpettes", blah, blah. While she comes off completely ignorant, don't we have to take her serious?

You can pitch a tent as big as you'd like for her. I'm getting a laugh out of watching the right kick, scream and cry over a bartender from upstate New York who's going to be a footnote in ten years after political forces swing us back to the center.
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