You didn’t mind him near our team earlier this year when we were 3-1 and he completely torched the jets and pats did you? Or last year when we had the #6 offense and we put up 44 in Pittsburgh and he played a great game in foxboro in the playoffs did you? Fact is this team was bad offensively for more reasons than Blake. Our offense was decimated no qb would overcome having NO weapons and all backup and on the line. Someone mentioned earlier in this thread that rivers was elite he didn’t even win a playoff game since what like 07 before this year. Listen Blake isn’t the answer long term but to get rid of him and his contract for ANY of these guys in free agency is just for the sake of moving on through fan and team POV, which I think drafting Haskins will accomplish that perspective.

We easily could have won more games this year think of cole’s fumble against the eagles we win without that. The colts game with the Greene fumble we probably win that one. Buffalo if fournette isn’t an idiot we win. Pittsburgh dont even get me started. We were unsuccessful for many reasons last year. Injuries were a big part but nobody makes the playoffs with a turnover differential like we did NOBODY and penalty differential was rediculous too. To many fumbles dropped passes guys partying before a game which is why I’m shocked marine is still here. We need to stop blaming Blake for everything he’s not the long term answer but stop believing guys like Tyrod Taylor and McCown are upgrades they’re not. Blake can play playoff football and he can make big plays. Like I said he needs a formula but he gives us the best chance next year even regardless of money

You're right with both posts, but you're just wasting your time my man. This forum has already long conditioned themselves into one thinking when it comes to Bortles...

If we win, it's because of everybody else but Bortles.

If we lose, it's all because of Bortles.

People were screaming for Kessler to come in and when he did, the Offense got even worse (which is saying a lot). People then finally started to bring up all the drops, injuries and overall poor play from most everybody as a reason for all the struggles, when that was the main reason to begin with before Kessler even got on the field. Problem is they didn't have Bortles to blame for everything anymore.

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That's good news, but some people want to sign Foles in free agency, which would add $25-30 million to our cap. That would be devastating. As long as we don't go nuts on free agency, we'll be fine. It's not so much what our cap situation will be going into free agency, as much as the players we target which could create a problem.

Did you notice the Rams have the least amount of cap space? Their go for broke season seems to be working out pretty well. You would rather save for the future when you are in the SB window?  Hard decision, isn't it?

This exact thinking is what destroyed the Jaguars for most of the 2000's.

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We easily could have won more games this year think of cole’s fumble against the eagles we win without that. The colts game with the Greene fumble we probably win that one. Buffalo if fournette isn’t an idiot we win. Pittsburgh dont even get me started. We were unsuccessful for many reasons last year. Injuries were a big part but nobody makes the playoffs with a turnover differential like we did NOBODY and penalty differential was rediculous too. To many fumbles dropped passes guys partying before a game which is why I’m shocked marine is still here. We need to stop blaming Blake for everything he’s not the long term answer but stop believing guys like Tyrod Taylor and McCown are upgrades they’re not. Blake can play playoff football and he can make big plays. Like I said he needs a formula but he gives us the best chance next year even regardless of money

You're right with both posts, but you're just wasting your time my man. This forum has already long conditioned themselves into one thinking when it comes to Bortles...

If we win, it's because of everybody else but Bortles.

If we lose, it's all because of Bortles.

People were screaming for Kessler to come in and when he did, the Offense got even worse (which is saying a lot). People then finally started to bring up all the drops, injuries and overall poor play from most everybody as a reason for all the struggles, when that was the main reason to begin with before Kessler even got on the field. Problem is they didn't have Bortles to blame for everything anymore.

I dont think you see that right. Most saw a QB perform well against the Steelers and the Pats postseason. Most were like wow Blake is the GOD! Never did I and I stood by it. It was never his fault. He needed help, help the FO never gave. BLAME TC... the head of the snake... the sooner we cut him.. the better we are...

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You're right with both posts, but you're just wasting your time my man. This forum has already long conditioned themselves into one thinking when it comes to Bortles...

If we win, it's because of everybody else but Bortles.

If we lose, it's all because of Bortles.

People were screaming for Kessler to come in and when he did, the Offense got even worse (which is saying a lot). People then finally started to bring up all the drops, injuries and overall poor play from most everybody as a reason for all the struggles, when that was the main reason to begin with before Kessler even got on the field. Problem is they didn't have Bortles to blame for everything anymore.

I dont think you see that right. Most saw a QB perform well against the Steelers and the Pats postseason. Most were like wow Blake is the GOD! Never did I and I stood by it. It was never his fault. He needed help, help the FO never gave. BLAME TC... the head of the snake... the sooner we cut him.. the better we are...

You must be living in a fantasy world. At no point did the majority of people on this board, think that Bortles was a lock to be the long term answer after those playoff performances. If anything, people were extremely skeptical of the decision to extend Bortles, but were cautiously optimistic, hoping it would work out, but knowing based on past performances, he could revert at any time.

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I mean it’s pretty simple guys. In order for Blake to succeed we just need to duplicate 2017. Easy:

Have Watson and Luck get hurt. Play a schedule full of backup QBs. Have the defense be pretty much injury free. Rack up a couple 10 sack games. Have an all time great defensive season with 7 defensive scores. Play an absolutely terrible Buffalo team in round 1 of the playoffs in which Blake doesn’t even throw for 100 yards.

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I mean it’s pretty simple guys. In order for Blake to succeed we just need to duplicate 2017. Easy:

Have Watson and Luck get hurt. Play a schedule full of backup QBs. Have the defense be pretty much injury free. Rack up a couple 10 sack games. Have an all time great defensive season with 7 defensive scores. Play an absolutely terrible Buffalo team in round 1 of the playoffs in which Blake doesn’t even throw for 100 yards.

Dude we all know he’s not the long term answer we get it it’s to hard to win consistently with him and he can’t make big comebacks if we fall behind and lose the running game we get it. But for next year he gives us the best chance. Like I said before I don’t care who our qb was last year besides Tom Brady we woulda been bad on offense. Please tell me what qb you think is so good that had the weapons and oline we had. Rivers made the playoffs what twice in a 12 year span. Every qb that you will say is good has great weapons and oline.

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I live just outside of philly I watch the jags game at an eagles bar every week, I listen to philly sports radio on my way to work. I’ve seen what they’re offenses do to make qbs look much better than they really are. And if you e watched foles you’ll see most of his passes are just lobs to Jeffrey and ertz guys who can make plays for your qb we don’t have that he had a plethora of weapons and a good o line. I’m not saying heavy the long term answer we know that. But neither is foles and he’ll dig us into a hole we can’t get out of.

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Keep a guy you know isnt the future? Sounds smart.

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Keep a guy you know isnt the future? Sounds smart.

So josh mccown, tyrod taylor, or Nick Foles are the future... please. Blake is the best chance of winning next year regardless of the biased opinions of the media and people that hate him because they actually believe it’s all his fault. He’s better than all these people will give him credit for. You won’t here a peep about Keenum, mariota, dalton,Stafford from anyone but Blake oh he’s trash. He isn’t a franchise qb though that is why we should draft Haskins. But counting on a rookie isn’t logical.

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Yeah, I am not sold on Foles without Andy Reid or Pederson... pass.

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Keep a guy you know isnt the future? Sounds smart.

So josh mccown, tyrod taylor, or Nick Foles are the future... please. Blake is the best chance of winning next year regardless of the biased opinions of the media and people that hate him because they actually believe it’s all his fault. He’s better than all these people will give him credit for. You won’t here a peep about Keenum, mariota, dalton,Stafford from anyone but Blake oh he’s trash. He isn’t a franchise qb though that is why we should draft Haskins. But counting on a rookie isn’t logical.

Who said I want Foles?

I’m fully on the Haskins and McCown train. Jags are not in a “win now” mode so why keep Blake? It’s time to move on. He’s not the future. He is not playing at a high level and it’s not about just winning next season. It’s about setting this team up for future consistent success and that comes from a rookie QB.

Get rid of Blake and put the past behind you. Paying him 21 million to be a placeholder is illogical.

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So josh mccown, tyrod taylor, or Nick Foles are the future... please. Blake is the best chance of winning next year regardless of the biased opinions of the media and people that hate him because they actually believe it’s all his fault. He’s better than all these people will give him credit for. You won’t here a peep about Keenum, mariota, dalton,Stafford from anyone but Blake oh he’s trash. He isn’t a franchise qb though that is why we should draft Haskins. But counting on a rookie isn’t logical.

Who said I want Foles?

I’m fully on the Haskins and McCown train. Jags are not in a “win now” mode so why keep Blake? It’s time to move on. He’s not the future. He is not playing at a high level and it’s not about just winning next season. It’s about setting this team up for future consistent success and that comes from a rookie QB.

Get rid of Blake and put the past behind you. Paying him 21 million to be a placeholder is illogical.

So paying him 16 and mccown 10 to be a worse team is logical? Ok. Like I said drafting Haskins gets the point across we’ve moved on.

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Who said I want Foles?

I’m fully on the Haskins and McCown train. Jags are not in a “win now” mode so why keep Blake? It’s time to move on. He’s not the future. He is not playing at a high level and it’s not about just winning next season. It’s about setting this team up for future consistent success and that comes from a rookie QB.

Get rid of Blake and put the past behind you. Paying him 21 million to be a placeholder is illogical.

So paying him 16 and mccown 10 to be a worse team is logical? Ok. Like I said drafting Haskins gets the point across we’ve moved on.

McCown is not gonna get 10.

Also. Can’t get much worse than 4 of Blake’s 5 seasons. Blake needs everything perfect to be average.

I want a franchise QB and I think Haskins gives the Jags the best shot at that.

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So paying him 16 and mccown 10 to be a worse team is logical? Ok. Like I said drafting Haskins gets the point across we’ve moved on.

McCown is not gonna get 10.

Also. Can’t get much worse than 4 of Blake’s 5 seasons. Blake needs everything perfect to be average.

I want a franchise QB and I think Haskins gives the Jags the best shot at that.

I agree with you on Haskins.

So you though that game against the patriots before everyone went down was average? The jets game was average? Everything perfect? Are Keelan cole, moncrief, Westbrook, asj pro bowlers or something. How about when he was torching those teams during that stretch last year with mickens cole and Westbrook that was perfect right and just average?

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So paying him 16 and mccown 10 to be a worse team is logical? Ok. Like I said drafting Haskins gets the point across we’ve moved on.

McCown is not gonna get 10.

Also. Can’t get much worse than 4 of Blake’s 5 seasons. Blake needs everything perfect to be average.

I want a franchise QB and I think Haskins gives the Jags the best shot at that.

If you sign someone to be your starting QB, then they're going to get more than 10 million. 

The only starters under $10M are on rookie contracts, and McCown is getting that much now and he's not even their starter.

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I’m not worried about being under the cap.

My concern is extending Ramsey and Ngakoue.
Looks like that will be fine as well as long as they don’t pay stupid millions for a QB or overspend on other free agents.

If you dip your toe into free agency, it's guaranteed you're going to overspend.  How much you overspend depends on the quality of the FAs you're bringing in.  

As far as paying stupid milions for a QB, the only way to avoid that is to do whatever you have to do to select the best QB in the draft, AND sign a veteran FA to a reasonable deal.  Again, you're going to overspend on any veteran you sign because that's the nature of the beast.

Right. 
You always overspend. 

I’m advocating sticking to mid tier or cheaper free agents this offseason. 
If it’s a vet QB, they need to keep it in the Fitzpatrick range. ( short term -5-6 mil per year)

Clearly I’m all about drafting a QB they believe they can start after the bye week or sooner.

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McCown is not gonna get 10.

Also. Can’t get much worse than 4 of Blake’s 5 seasons. Blake needs everything perfect to be average.

I want a franchise QB and I think Haskins gives the Jags the best shot at that.

I agree with you on Haskins.

So you though that game against the patriots before everyone went down was average? The jets game was average? Everything perfect? Are Keelan cole, moncrief, Westbrook, asj pro bowlers or something. How about when he was torching those teams during that stretch last year with mickens cole and Westbrook that was perfect right and just average?

LOL, just let it go foreal.  Since last year I've complained about our WR core with jags fans, our TEs, our oline, our playcalling, our adjustments, even the defense running zone instead of press man some games, etc.  For some strange reason though, they all seemed to always blame mostly blake.  I even have to explain why the playoff run was a season of up and downs and luck falling our way with the horrible playcalling most games and no major injuries.  Fans see what they want to see, when they want to see it or when they have an opinion they believe in. 

We never really helped blake.  No real weapons, no catered passing gameplan even though everyone said he couldnt see the whole field.  We basically wanted blake to be a top 5 or 10 QB with nothing to help him, and complained when we already knew he wouldnt ever be a come from behind qb with this run first offense.  I've said it before today; but im still mindblown at this front office and coaching staff.  Most fans are clueless about the little things that make an offense or defense tick so its easy to understand their lack of knowledge.

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Season Tix, Section 409

2023 and still counting.....SB will finally be ours soon enough.
TLaw aka 'the prince that was promised' supporter.

I’m amazed people still care to make excuses for Bortles.

If you surrounded him with all-pros at OL,WR & TE, he’d still be wildly inconsistent and struggle to accurately throw a football. He’s demonstrated beyond any doubt that the position must be upgraded.

I’m amazed at how this isn’t glaringly evident.

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The Jags would have been 8-8 this year with below average QBing instead of Blake and Cody, even despite all the injuries.

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The Jags would have been 8-8 this year with below average QBing instead of Blake and Cody, even despite all the injuries.

Dude.... the Packers have Aaron bleepin’ Rodgers and their offensive line was in far better shape than ours... and they STILL missed the playoffs. Do you SERIOUSLY think Aaron Rodgers would’ve survived with our 3rd string line with NO TE and one solid WR with the rest unproven?

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The Jags would have been 8-8 this year with below average QBing instead of Blake and Cody, even despite all the injuries.

Dude.... the Packers have Aaron bleepin’ Rodgers and their offensive line was in far better shape than ours... and they STILL missed the playoffs. Do you SERIOUSLY think Aaron Rodgers would’ve survived with our 3rd string line with NO TE and one solid WR with the rest unproven?

Titans week 3 (lost 9-3) 

Texans week 7 (lost 20-7) 

Colts week 10 (lost 29-26) 

Steelers week 11 (lost 16-20) 

Bills week 12 (lost 21-24) 

Redskins week 15 ( lost 13-16)  

You are delusional if you think Aaron Rodgers in those exact scenarios wouldn't have won most of those games. With even below average QBing instead of bottom 5 QBing we'd have won at very least 4. Even independent of the offensive line and lack of talent.

It's wild to me that people watched this season and don't think our biggest problem was the god awful QB play

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