That's literally their job...


So it's safe to say they are.

 

Given that quote as well as Ford's entire collegiate career as a body of work, I now wouldn't take him prior to the 39th pick. I'd hope they wouldn't either. Ford is a good player, and he can help us, but he's not Tony Brackens here. Theres a limit to what he can do. I hope we consider all options at 39 like the TE from Notre Dame and DeVante Evans if both are there. 

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Given that quote as well as Ford's entire collegiate career as a body of work, I now wouldn't take him prior to the 39th pick.

 

lol one quote from one guy and suddenly your opinion changes.  

 

That's why you don't do the drafting.  That's why there's pros out there who actually have studied each player they select.  They know this kind of information.  They don't need some internet guy saying it.  

 

Just keep that in mind the next time you go apeshet crazy because they draft or don't draft a certain player. 

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lol one quote from one guy and suddenly your opinion changes.  

 

That's why you don't do the drafting.  That's why there's pros out there who actually have studied each player they select.  They know this kind of information.  They don't need some internet guy saying it.  

 

Just keep that in mind the next time you go apeshet crazy because they draft or don't draft a certain player. 

 

Its not the entire opinion thats changing, but the "value", that is changing. Its evolving. I'm not going from the opinion of liking the player to hating the player like you are trying to insinuate. I still like the player. But still trying to pinpoint proper value. 

 

I don't draft like some of you guys and Gene Smith. Proper value means a lot to me. The GM's who work the draft well enough are the ones that usually get the most from it. 

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Glad to see you've finally adopted something folks been saying for a long while now.

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I don't draft like some of you guys and Gene Smith. Proper value means a lot to me. The GM's who work the draft well enough are the ones that usually get the most from it. 

 

Bro.. you don't draft.  At all.  Armchair GM at its finest.  You may draft in Madden, and that's about it.

 

Proper value means a lot to me as well, you're not special in that sense.  I also know that YOU don't know jack about true value, and neither do I.  

 

If everyone talks about Ford being a 2nd round pick or so, and then he lights up the Senior Bowl, he may improve his stock a little.  And that's fine.  He's not going to shoot up in the top 10.

 

We're not going to pick him in the top 5 like some people on this MB said we should.  

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Glad to see you've finally adopted something folks been saying for a long while now.

 

Adopted? I've been a proponent of getting good value in the draft for as quite a long time now, perhaps pre-dating the Jaguars existence. 

 

You don't just take players arbitrarily high in the draft just because you may like them. Its much more fruitful to select true BVP or at the very least - a need meets value approach. 

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It's funny, this guy is talking about how much "value" means to him, but in other threads he talked about how the Steelers should trade Ben Roethlisberger.

 

lol

 

He also talked about how teams should trade FOR Ryan Mallet.

 

It makes me wonder, if he were the Steelers GM... He would probably try to trade Big Ben and then trade for Ryan Mallet.  LOL what a fail, he doesn't even realize how clueless he is about "value"..

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You don't just take players arbitrarily high in the draft just because you may like them. Its much more fruitful to select true BVP or at the very least - a need meets value approach. 

 

Wow, now that might be a revolutionary idea.  I sure hope our GM and his team of professionals read this.... TMD may be on to something!

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It's funny, this guy is talking about how much "value" means to him, but in other threads he talked about how the Steelers should trade Ben Roethlisberger.

 

lol

 

He also talked about how teams should trade FOR Ryan Mallet.

 

It makes me wonder, if he were the Steelers GM... He would probably try to trade Big Ben and then trade for Ryan Mallet.  LOL what a fail, he doesn't even realize how clueless he is about "value"..

 

Ummm, :ermm: "value" is precisely why I am suggesting that right now might be the best time for the Steelers to deal Ben.....

 

Similarly the same reason why I suggested the Jags deal MoJo 2-3 years ago....

 

 

I don't see Ben playing at a high level after 35 like Peyton is. I'm guessing you do. 

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Bro.. you don't draft. At all. Armchair GM at its finest. You may draft in Madden, and that's about it.


Proper value means a lot to me as well, you're not special in that sense. I also know that YOU don't know jack about true value, and neither do I.


If everyone talks about Ford being a 2nd round pick or so, and then he lights up the Senior Bowl, he may improve his stock a little. And that's fine. He's not going to shoot up in the top 10.


We're not going to pick him in the top 5 like some people on this MB said we should.

You've been on a roll lately.

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Wow, now that might be a revolutionary idea.  I sure hope our GM and his team of professionals read this.... TMD may be on to something!

 

We took Alualu at 11. The Chiefs took Tyson Jackson at 3. Obviously its not as common sense as your snarkiness above infers. 

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Ummm, :ermm: "value" is precisely why I am suggesting that right now might be the best time for the Steelers to deal Ben.....

 

Similarly the same reason why I suggested the Jags deal MoJo 2-3 years ago....

 

 

I don't see Ben playing at a high level after 35 like Peyton is. I'm guessing you do. 

 

He doesn't have to play at that high level after 35.  Even if he plays at a high level UNTIL he's 35.. that's 4 years of good to great, and CLUTCH, QB play.  

 

How's that for "value"?

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We took Alualu at 11. The Chiefs took Tyson Jackson at 3. Obviously its not as common sense as your snarkiness above infers. 

 

We took Alualu at 11. The Chiefs took Tyson Jackson at 3. Obviously its not as common sense as your snarkiness above infers. 

 

Yes.. people take players and miss, it happens.  

 

Sometimes those same people just flatout miss on their evaluations.  Other times the players don't develop.  It happens.  When it happens too frequently, those same people lose their jobs and don't get to draft again. 

 

See how that works?

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He doesn't have to play at that high level after 35.  Even if he plays at a high level UNTIL he's 35.. that's 4 years of good to great, and CLUTCH, QB play.  

 

How's that for "value"?

 

You and I see things way different. 

 

I see a player in Roethlisberger who will be slowly steadily declining from this point forward to the point where he's essentially Brunell & McNabb by 35. I don't see a "good to great, clutch QB" for the next 4 seasons like you do. 

 

I see this as opportunity to get something good for the guy now, while they still can, and reload. (because there invariably are other GM's out there that think the way you do) 

 

If Cutler can garner 2 firsts, Ben might be able to right now as well. 

 

I'd even take a 1st + a 3rd for Ben. 

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Adopted? I've been a proponent of getting good value in the draft for as quite a long time now, perhaps pre-dating the Jaguars existence. 

 

You don't just take players arbitrarily high in the draft just because you may like them. Its much more fruitful to select true BVP or at the very least - a need meets value approach. 

 

No, you've only this offseason begun parroting something I've said for a while.  Ditto the sig.  On a desperate "Trading Places" kick again, it appears.  You've always been one to fall for guys, and have never uttered a word of value ever before.  Not unless you were dreaming up some asinine trade no one would be stupid enough to fall for (virtually valueless for the trade partner.)

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No, you've only this offseason begun parroting something I've said for a while.  Ditto the sig.  On a desperate "Trading Places" kick again, it appears.  You've always been one to fall for guys, and have never uttered a word of value ever before.  Not unless you were dreaming up some asinine trade no one would be stupid enough to fall for (virtually valueless for the trade partner.)

 

This is the first year I put that sig in yes. 

 

This is FAR from the first year that I touted getting proper value in the draft for players. 

 

I argued this point in past drafts when criticizing picks like Cox who most had rated as a day 3 pick, same with selecting Anger in the 3rd....or many many other examples. 

 

To be quite honest -This is indeed the first year I ever heard YOU champion value so strongly. 

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I guess we do see things way different.

 

I just don't like the idea of trading a 31 year old QB, who hasn't shown any signs of decline (despite what you say because it favors your argument), who BTW has lead your team to 2 superbowl wins..  No way do I trade him.  

 

We both agree that getting your franchise QB is the most important thing.  I think getting Ben a couple of more weapons and some protection - and you've got yourself great QB play AT LEAST until he's 35.

 

You disagree.  

 

I tend to think keeping Ben and drafting pieces around him (and actually hitting on your draft picks) is the best thing the Steelers can do.  And you know what?  I bet you they agree with me & keep Ben and keep building around him.

 

It's the same reason Tom Brady won't get traded in favor of your potential franchise QB Mallet.  Right now the Patriots could still get great value out of Brady, who only has a few years left. 

 

But they would still be [BLEEP] for trading Tom.  They're going to get as much as they can out of Brady while he can play.  They will continue to build around him, hoping they can reach the superbowl one more time.  That's what a smart team does.

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I guess we do see things way different.

 

I just don't like the idea of trading a 31 year old QB, who hasn't shown any signs of decline (despite what you say because it favors your argument), who BTW has lead your team to 2 superbowl wins..  No way do I trade him.  

 

We both agree that getting your franchise QB is the most important thing.  I think getting Ben a couple of more weapons and some protection - and you've got yourself great QB play AT LEAST until he's 35.

 

You disagree.  

 

I tend to think keeping Ben and drafting pieces around him (and actually hitting on your draft picks) is the best thing the Steelers can do.  And you know what?  I bet you they agree with me & keep Ben and keep building around him.

 

 

Understand, Ben has played behind a pretty lousy OL for many of his years in Pitt, and has gotten the tar beaten out of him. He's (IMO)likely going to decline earlier than a QB who did not take as many hits. 

 

If the Steelers can get a nice return for Ben, such as I have outlined, I take it and don't look back. 

 

I'm not saying for the Steelers to have a fire sale and take the highest bid for Ben even if its only a single 2nd rounder. The price of a 1st + 3rd would have to be met. Otherwise, Ben would be more valuable for Pitt to just keep at the time being, 

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But picking both Ford and Clowney would mean not picking a quarterback. If we had only one pick in the draft that pick would obviously be a quarterback because we are no longer able to wait another year for the right guy behind center. And don't try to tell me the sixth pick in the third round is a good time to pick a franchise quarterback - it never is, and especially not this year.

 

Now if you want to talk about Clowney in the first and a quarterback in the second that would be something else, but I would still prefer a quarterback at #3 and Dee Ford at #39.

no it doesn't. It means picking a quarterback in the second or third rounds.

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To be quite honest -This is indeed the first year I ever heard YOU champion value so strongly. 

 

That's because you're not the sharpest tool in the shed.

 

Value is the cornerstone of BAP drafting.  This is one of the oddest fantasies you've created yet, Dexter.

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