You really need to brush up on your QB comps, sir. First of all, Carr is still a 1st rounder and is nothing like Dalton.... 

 

yeah, yer right....Dalton's better...

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Isn't Davis a Tight End?

 

Tight ends aren't part of a receiving crew?

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

yeah, yer right....Dalton's better...

Enjoy QB purgatory sir. It's a swell place. 

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Enjoy QB purgatory sir. It's a swell place. 

 

We're still in QB purgatory (or worse) with Carr, too....hate ta break it to ya. 

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We're still in QB purgatory (or worse) with Carr, too....hate ta break it to ya. 

Nah, Carr will not be QB purgatory, he'll either hit and be a top tier QB or he'll flame out and we'll know we need a new QB soon enough. That is a much better outcome than being stuck w/ Dalton. 

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Carr sucks man.  Not sure what you see in him?

 

He has a good arm, yes.

 

He stands in the shotgun formation, gets the ball, and cannons it 10 yards to a receiver in less than 2 seconds.

 

That's about what he does.  When the pressure is on, he sucks.

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Carr sucks man.  Not sure what you see in him?

 

He has a good arm, yes.

 

He stands in the shotgun formation, gets the ball, and cannons it 10 yards to a receiver in less than 2 seconds.

 

That's about what he does.  When the pressure is on, he sucks.

Because he is way more than just a good arm. He has a great arm, is very cerebral, has an unparalleled work ethic, and his leadership is off the charts. You read the Senior Bowl reports, Carr was the only player who sat in on the other position group meetings, made a concerted effort to get to know every teammate, stayed after every practice to work extra with Jordan Matthews (and rubbed off on some other WR who wound up staying later in the week). 

 

Literally the only knock on him is dealing with pressure, and it has been way overblown. He isn't scared of it and he doesn't sense phantom pressure...this isn't a Gabbert situation. If he fixes that he is an elite QB, and his great work ethic suggests that he has a pretty good chance of that.

 

I would easily gamble on him fixing one flaw than Manziel, Garoppolo, Fales, etc. fixing multiple shortcomings without having that upside. 

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Because he is way more than just a good arm. He has a great arm, is very cerebral, has an unparalleled work ethic, and his leadership is off the charts. You read the Senior Bowl reports, Carr was the only player who sat in on the other position group meetings, made a concerted effort to get to know every teammate, stayed after every practice to work extra with Jordan Matthews (and rubbed off on some other WR who wound up staying later in the week). 

 

Literally the only knock on him is dealing with pressure, and it has been way overblown. He isn't scared of it and he doesn't sense phantom pressure...this isn't a Gabbert situation. If he fixes that he is an elite QB, and his great work ethic suggests that he has a pretty good chance of that.

 

I would easily gamble on him fixing one flaw than Manziel, Garoppolo, Fales, etc. fixing multiple shortcomings without having that upside. 

 

All those are fine and dandy, but you expect that attitude from a potential franchise QB.

 

The pressure thing scares me, I admit.  His footwork isn't the best either.  If he had Garrapollos footwork and comfort level under center, he would be a better prospect.

 

I have no problem taking him as a potential guy - but I wouldn't touch Carr in the top 20.  I don't think you can really "fix" how you handle pressure.  To me, how you behave under pressure is by far the most important attribute when "evaluating" a QB.  The great arm doesn't matter at all when you sht the bed like he did against USC.

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All those are fine and dandy, but you expect that attitude from a potential franchise QB.

 

The pressure thing scares me, I admit.  His footwork isn't the best either.  If he had Garrapollos footwork and comfort level under center, he would be a better prospect.

 

I have no problem taking him as a potential guy - but I wouldn't touch Carr in the top 20.  I don't think you can really "fix" how you handle pressure.  To me, how you behave under pressure is by far the most important attribute when "evaluating" a QB.  The great arm doesn't matter at all when you sht the bed like he did against USC.

Every QB would melt under the pressure he faced against USC. That game was a talent mismatch of the highest order. Carr was getting pressured instantly. Him and Adams were the only people that belonged on the field against USC that game.

 

I know I'm not going to be able to convince the people who throw out 3 years of other games plus a full week of exemplary in depth senior bowl practice coverage because of one OMGGGG HE SUXXED AGAINST USC game. However, for the other level headed people who realize that one bad bowl game is just one small piece of the total evaluation puzzle, hopefully they can realize that Carr is still a very good QB prospect overall. 

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Because he is way more than just a good arm. He has a great arm, is very cerebral, has an unparalleled work ethic, and his leadership is off the charts. You read the Senior Bowl reports, Carr was the only player who sat in on the other position group meetings, made a concerted effort to get to know every teammate, stayed after every practice to work extra with Jordan Matthews (and rubbed off on some other WR who wound up staying later in the week). 

 

Literally the only knock on him is dealing with pressure, and it has been way overblown. He isn't scared of it and he doesn't sense phantom pressure...this isn't a Gabbert situation. If he fixes that he is an elite QB, and his great work ethic suggests that he has a pretty good chance of that.

 

 

I kinda look at the other side of that. Maybe Carr did all those things this week because he fears he can't stand alone on his play. He knew the lights were on so to speak and that doing that "extra work" would be caught by the press and hence perhaps overshadow some of the red flags in his game that were exposed by the USC game. 

 

"Dealing with pressure" isn't a small knock. Its huge. How a QB deals with adversity is generally what separates the good from the bad in the NFL. Its not an "easy fix".

 

Garoppolo, OTOH, looks the part. He looks comfortable and seems to play the game already the way that is asked from a pro QB. It looks natural and instinctive. Same with Teddy but upgraded, and Bortles. 

 

Carr, to me looks like a project...and frankly, I'm tired of projects at the position. Time we go in a more polished route. 

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I know I'm not going to be able to convince the people who throw out 3 years of other games plus a full week of exemplary in depth senior bowl practice coverage because of one OMGGGG HE SUXXED AGAINST USC game. However, for the other level headed people who realize that one bad bowl game is just one small piece of the total evaluation puzzle, hopefully they can realize that Carr is still a very good QB prospect overall. 

 

But look at what Carr was asked to do in those other games. I saw some of those defenses he played against. And I saw the offense that Carr plays in....none of that prepares Carr for what he is going to face in the NFL. The USC  game was a harbinger IMO of what you will see from Carr in the NFL. Could Carr be fixed? Sure. Its possible. But theres probably just as good of a chance that he won't be.....and for a team thats as desperate at the QB spot as we are, do we really want to go down that road again?

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I know I'm not going to be able to convince the people who throw out 3 years of other games plus a full week of exemplary in depth senior bowl practice coverage because of one OMGGGG HE SUXXED AGAINST USC game. However, for the other level headed people who realize that one bad bowl game is just one small piece of the total evaluation puzzle, hopefully they can realize that Carr is still a very good QB prospect overall. 

 

I don't think the bowl game is a "small piece" of the puzzle.

I think it's a much bigger piece than the Senior Bowl, for example.


The USC was a perfect game to illustrate how he is under pressure.

 

The Senior Bowl and other environments are good to illustrate whether he's a leader, how he can learn, etc.

 

The other games are also good for situational evaluations, like "how is he on 3rd and long" etc.

 

So yes, it's all a big puzzle.. but I can't just forget about what happened against USC.  The vast majority of the rest of his games are kind of "meh"... shotgun, throw a dart to someone.  Yes, I know he can do that - but I don't think that warrants him being a top 20 player.

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Senior bowl? Pfffft. ..do they even allow blitzes? You can't evaluate players by an all star game.

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If that RV sales place wants Tebow in Jax bad enough to take out a billboard saying as much.....they should just HIRE him.

Anquan Boldin, Michael Crabtree, Mario Manningham, Vernon Davis...

Hes had Crabtree and Manningham for roughly 55-60% of his starts.

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