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Why are people on the message board against picking an Quarterback


Teams usually pick who they fall in love with. Just saying. 


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Quote:That's not a good comparison at all.


Dee Ford isn't a Top 10 pick. You'll see when the draft comes. Gene Smith did fall in love with players. Not doing something doesn't equate to being exactly like someone else. Doing something does.


You are like Gene Smith's [BLEEP] cousin.
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Quote:So you think that TE, WR and OLB are more important and have more of a need for this team than one of the best DE's to come along in recent memory? You realize we had 31 sacks last year right? Which was lowest in the league?
 

Actually I am saying get the best player at a position we need whose name is not Jadaveon Clowney.

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Quote:Actually I am saying get the best player at a position we need whose name is not Jadaveon Clowney.
Hahaha seriously? You dont think we need a pass rusher? Do you even know how good Clowney is?


Guess you didn't like Randy Moss or Dez Bryant or Julius Peppers when they came out either.


Just because one guy said Clowney is lazy doesn't mean its fact. Dont believe everything you read.
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Quote:Actually I am saying get the best player at a position we need whose name is not Jadaveon Clowney.
What?  I wish you knew a little bit about football!

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Quote:Hahaha seriously? You dont think we need a pass rusher? Do you even know how good Clowney is?


Guess you didn't like Randy Moss or Dez Bryant or Julius Peppers when they came out either.


Just because one guy said Clowney is lazy doesn't mean its fact. Dont believe everything you read.
 

I know we need a pass rusher. I just don't want Clowney to be that guy.

 

And it is not just one guy saying he is lazy. Even Bob McNair said that.


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Quote:In an interview the other day I heard Caldwell said something along the lines that you look at a player and assume he has reached his floor.  You have to draft on the assumption everyone is peaked out.  If you think someone is still growing, you can draft based on potential, but that at the end of the day you only REALLY know the player can compete at the level he is currently competing.  Anything more can be seen as a bonus.  

 

This of course is more important in the early rounds when you are looking for immediate starters.  This seems to suggest, to me at least, that Jags are more likely to take someone with the highest floor at #3, not the highest ceiling.  So outside of Teddy, I have to say Clowney or Mack are most likely.  The other QBs are too uncertain.
 

College players have more cameras on them than a janitor sitting at a bus stop in London.

 

The Senior Bowl and the NFL Combine are last-chances for the college player to demonstrate he has something that was NOT evident on video as much as it is valuable resource for determining the highest talented players.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. - Mahatma Gandhi

 

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Quote:College players have more cameras on them than a janitor sitting at a bus stop in London.

 

The Senior Bowl and the NFL Combine are last-chances for the college player to demonstrate he has something that was NOT evident on video as much as it is valuable resource for determining the highest talented players.
 

You forgot about Pro Days.

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(This post was last modified: 01-27-2014, 07:50 PM by Jungle Cat.)

Quote:Define elite QB. Gabbert was considered an elite QB prospect. Why was that so? 
Gabbert was NOT considered to be an elite quarterback. 

 

I assure you this.

 

NFL.com pick analysis:

 

Pick Analysis: General manager Gene Smith aggressively moves up to select the Jaguars franchise quarterback of the future. Gabbert gives the team a young quarterback to groom behind David Garrard, and the slow development plan could pay significant dividends down the road. His physical tools and potential are off the charts, and the ability to sit behind a veteran will allow the team to cultivate his talent without the pressure to put him on the field immediately.

 

Ooooooops.

 

Stupid Team Gene Regime. Didn't even bother to read his post-draft analysis and the TU ran the stampede to demand Gabbert pay for not being Tim Tebow.

 

Here are what is says about his strengths and weaknesses prior to the draft...

 

 

Strengths 

 

Gabbert has prototypical size and excellent speed for the position. Shows the ability to make the right pre-snap reads. Possesses a quick release and has the arm strength to make all the throws. Well-balanced passer that rarely misses on short-to-intermediate throws. Extremely mobile to extend plays and fast enough to move the chains. Vocal leader and hard worker.

 

Weaknesses

 

Trusts his arm too much and puts the ball in harm's way too often. Does not show good touch on passes over the middle and needs to learn to take a little velocity off certain throws. Struggles to throw an accurate deep ball. Late feeling pressure at times which neutralizes his very good mobility. Will need to learn a pro style offense.

 

 

Overview

Gabbert has it all physically, but has a long way to go before he's ready to lead an NFL offense. He played in a spread offense and will have to learn to take snaps under center and make progressions in the pocket. However, he is a smart football player that seems to understand coverages and he has the arm strength to fit the ball into tight windows. He is also very mobile and elusive in the pocket and shows the ability to make plays with his feet. Overall, Gabbert's tools will be too alluring for a team without a quarterback, and he seems assured to be a top-10 pick, maybe even the first QB off the board.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. - Mahatma Gandhi

 

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Tim Tebow was drafted in 2010.

 

The reason Blaine Gabbert was seen as a development project was he played in a shotgun-heavy spread option offense, so it was not like nobody thought he had a high ceiling.


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Quote:I know we need a pass rusher. I just don't want Clowney to be that guy.


And it is not just one guy saying he is lazy. Even Bob McNair said that.
How about we make a bet. I bet Clowney will have a better pro career than any TE WR or OLB in this draft and probably better than all the QBs too.
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Quote:How about we make a bet. I bet Clowney will have a better pro career than any TE WR or OLB in this draft and probably better than all the QBs too.
 

I don't know enough about players in the draft to make a bet.

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Quote:You are like Gene Smith's [BLEEP] cousin.
 

Not surprised to see that you resorted to insults (using highly offensive language at that) when you can't back up your point.  It's what people do when they can't form an argument.  They resort to insults.  Funny that your signature begs people not to insult you, when you quickly turn to insults yourself.  

 

Falling in love with a player is something that Gene Smith did.  

Not falling in love with a player is not akin to being like Gene Smith.  

 

This is essentially the 'Hitler ate sugar' argument taken to 'Hitler didn't Smoke' levels.  Except even worse, and less logical.

 

Dee Ford is not worth the third pick in the draft.  You have yet to refute that. I'm sure all I will get though are more insults.  But that in itself will be very telling.

I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 
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Let me add the word [BLEEP] is so bad Ohio's legislature and former governor quickly took "mental retardation" out of the name of a tax-funded organization for people with disabilities that had me as a client. It is never acceptable to call anybody [BLEEP], even if he really is.


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Quote:Not surprised to see that you resorted to insults (using highly offensive language at that) when you can't back up your point. It's what people do when they can't form an argument. They resort to insults. Funny that your signature begs people not to insult you, when you quickly turn to insults yourself.


Falling in love with a player is something that Gene Smith did.
Not falling in love with a player is not akin to being like Gene Smith.


This is essentially the 'Hitler ate sugar' argument taken to 'Hitler didn't Smoke' levels. Except even worse, and less logical.


Dee Ford is not worth the third pick in the draft. You have yet to refute that. I'm sure all I will get though are more insults. But that in itself will be very telling.
This post is just what gene would say


I was just kidding around. The point is that some people just say anything they dont like is "what gene would do" or any qb they dont like is Gabbert


P.s. you took way too much time with your response
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Quote:You forgot about Pro Days.
Pro Days are too low-tech to be of much significance to pro scouts. It provides some players a fail-safe if they don't get a Combine invite or if they sputter at the Combine.

 

I don't know pro scouts specifically, but I suspect they hate Pro Days.

 

I think that's why the NFL scouting community has developed regional combines.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. - Mahatma Gandhi

 

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Quote:Pro Days are too low-tech to be of much significance to pro scouts. It provides some players a fail-safe if they don't get a Combine invite or if they sputter at the Combine.

 

I don't know pro scouts specifically, but I suspect they hate Pro Days.

 

I think that's why the NFL scouting community has developed regional combines.
 

Although the combine is more important, players can choose to opt out of position drills or other activities and just to Indianapolis for measurements and interviews. Also, sometimes they can't do some activities at the combine because of injuries. When that happens the importance of a school's Pro Day skyrockets. Some players are more comfortable showing off their skills at their schools than Lucas Oil Stadium.

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Quote:Although the combine is more important, players can choose to opt out of position drills or other activities and just to Indianapolis for measurements and interviews. Also, sometimes they can't do some activities at the combine because of injuries. When that happens the importance of a school's Pro Day skyrockets. Some players are more comfortable showing off their skills at their schools than Lucas Oil Stadium.
 

One of the objects of the NFL Scouting Combine is to herd the players by position. Pro Days is being used as a way to circumvent facing competition. 

 

Football players are competitive by nature. The ones that relish the chance to audition on the NFL's own terms are the ones you want.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. - Mahatma Gandhi

 

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Quote:I know we need a pass rusher. I just don't want Clowney to be that guy.

 

And it is not just one guy saying he is lazy. Even Bob McNair said that.
 

The guy has dominated ever since he put on football pads.  He played most of last year with a major muscle injury.  You overlook those facts because he said in an interview that he didn't participate in optional workouts in the offseason.  Stop beating this dead horse.

 

Quote:I don't know enough about players in the draft to make a bet.
 

Well this explains a lot.  You don't know enough about players, but you sure don't have any problems spewing espn garbage and use Gil Brandt as a source to prove a talking point you got from nfl.com.

 

Quote:Let me add the word [BLEEP] is so bad Ohio's legislature and former governor quickly took "mental retardation" out of the name of a tax-funded organization for people with disabilities that had me as a client. It is never acceptable to call anybody [BLEEP], even if he really is.
 

Calling a [BLEEP] person [BLEEP] is mean.  Saying that a normal person made a [BLEEP] decision or is acting [BLEEP] isn't a problem. Basically it means that they're not matured.  The need to be politically correct is what's driven this country off a cliff.  It's just a word unless you give it more than what it is. 

 

re·tard·ed: <i>adjective</i>

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<div>less advanced in mental, physical, or social development than is usual for one's age.
 
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Quote:Although the combine is more important, players can choose to opt out of position drills or other activities and just to Indianapolis for measurements and interviews. Also, sometimes they can't do some activities at the combine because of injuries. When that happens the importance of a school's Pro Day skyrockets. Some players are more comfortable showing off their skills at their schools than Lucas Oil Stadium.
 

Then you must be a huge fan of Blaine Gabbert.  The guy is a workout warrior and, from what's been said on our own website and suggested by players on the team, may be one of the best QB's in practice on the face of the earth.

 

The combine shoves guys into direct competition with their piers.  I don't want a QB to shy away from that.  I want him to walk in there with the mindset of destroying everybody in his path, not just running back to his comfy college campus to throw in front of some cheerleaders.

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Quote:Gabbert was NOT considered to be an elite quarterback. 

 

I assure you this.

 

NFL.com pick analysis:

 

Pick Analysis: General manager Gene Smith aggressively moves up to select the Jaguars franchise quarterback of the future. Gabbert gives the team a young quarterback to groom behind David Garrard, and the slow development plan could pay significant dividends down the road. His physical tools and potential are off the charts, and the ability to sit behind a veteran will allow the team to cultivate his talent without the pressure to put him on the field immediately.

 

Ooooooops.

 

Stupid Team Gene Regime. Didn't even bother to read his post-draft analysis and the TU ran the stampede to demand Gabbert pay for not being Tim Tebow.

 

Here are what is says about his strengths and weaknesses prior to the draft...

 

 

Strengths 

 

Gabbert has prototypical size and excellent speed for the position. Shows the ability to make the right pre-snap reads. Possesses a quick release and has the arm strength to make all the throws. Well-balanced passer that rarely misses on short-to-intermediate throws. Extremely mobile to extend plays and fast enough to move the chains. Vocal leader and hard worker.

 

Weaknesses

 

Trusts his arm too much and puts the ball in harm's way too often. Does not show good touch on passes over the middle and needs to learn to take a little velocity off certain throws. Struggles to throw an accurate deep ball. Late feeling pressure at times which neutralizes his very good mobility. Will need to learn a pro style offense.

 

 

Overview

Gabbert has it all physically, but has a long way to go before he's ready to lead an NFL offense. He played in a spread offense and will have to learn to take snaps under center and make progressions in the pocket. However, he is a smart football player that seems to understand coverages and he has the arm strength to fit the ball into tight windows. He is also very mobile and elusive in the pocket and shows the ability to make plays with his feet. Overall, Gabbert's tools will be too alluring for a team without a quarterback, and he seems assured to be a top-10 pick, maybe even the first QB off the board.
 

So if he was not elite why was he picked in the 1st round?

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