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Marquise Lee update
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(05-23-2019, 11:20 AM)Firesky Wrote:(05-23-2019, 11:04 AM)Kane Wrote: Bortles got a 2nd contract Cox didn't get an extension here, he played for the Chargers for a bit though. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (05-23-2019, 11:47 AM)Hard_Eight Wrote:(05-23-2019, 11:20 AM)Firesky Wrote: Derek Cox never got a 2nd contract. Mike Thomas did and was subsequently shipped off to Detroit that one is correct. That's what I meant. Guys get 2nd contracts all the time. Doesn't mean they are good. I could have just listed guys we've given second contracts to that didn't deserve them... but that would be far too depressing a road to walk down
(05-23-2019, 01:50 PM)Kane Wrote:(05-23-2019, 11:47 AM)Hard_Eight Wrote: Cox didn't get an extension here, he played for the Chargers for a bit though. (05-23-2019, 02:00 PM)Hard_Eight Wrote:(05-23-2019, 01:50 PM)Kane Wrote: That's what I meant. Guys get 2nd contracts all the time. Doesn't mean they are good. I always wondered..... what's the toast for haha (05-22-2019, 10:57 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:(05-22-2019, 06:20 PM)JackCity Wrote: We've been watching him play since 2014. He rarely gets separation unless its on crossers and some dig routes and his hands are poor, I think you can evaluate those things independent from the QB play. He's a very replaceable member of the teamReplaceable? Sure. The other stuff here is just ... well, I don't agree with your analysis at all. What do you disagree with? I think he nailed it. He does get wide open for easy passes on crossers mostly along with a couple other routes, but routes down the sideline you rarely see him get any separation. As for his hands, well, they actually rank #1... #1 drop rate at 12 1/2 percent... https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/marqise-lee/ I do see he ranks well in contested catches, but that's likely because he rarely gets separation.
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We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (05-23-2019, 10:14 AM)Kane Wrote:(05-22-2019, 04:08 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: Yeah. The Jaguars brass and their 16.5 million dollars in guaranteed money tells a different story on "panning out." I doubt he's even 3rd best, but he's locked onto the roster with his $9 mil cap hit so we're going to need to get all we can out of him.
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Hopefully, the only thing that will hold Lee back this season is the trainers as per Lee. Marrone already said that Lee is participating much more than he anticipated at this point and time. Exactly the amount and type of participation was never disclosed but nevertheless it's promising to say the least. Our receiving Corp will shine this season and beyond in my opinion.
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(05-24-2019, 06:46 AM)Jags02 Wrote:(05-22-2019, 10:57 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: Replaceable? Sure. The other stuff here is just ... well, I don't agree with your analysis at all. Barring injury, I guarantee Lee will have his best year as a Jag this year.
I've always liked Marquise and hope he finally gets it together for good. He's had his flashes and with a new QB, i hope he excels.
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(05-24-2019, 06:46 AM)Jags02 Wrote:(05-22-2019, 10:57 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: Replaceable? Sure. The other stuff here is just ... well, I don't agree with your analysis at all. Unless you are actually in the stadium focusing only on Lee on every play, I don't see how you can judge his ability to separate, especially since our former QB seemed to be picking his target at random, whether the target was open or not. (05-24-2019, 06:46 AM)Jags02 Wrote:(05-22-2019, 10:57 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: Replaceable? Sure. The other stuff here is just ... well, I don't agree with your analysis at all. The "doesn't get separation" stuff is laughably poor analysis when you watch his tape. He's open very frequently on routes where it's clear he has a potential to do something other than block. There are many where he is clearly meant to clear out an area and immediately turn into a blocker. He takes one step after the break and turn to block without looking for the ball. I'd expect less of that with Foles/Flip. If you are looking at when the ball arrives you could be duped into thinking he's not getting consistent separation. If you look at the steps he takes after his break before he has to adjust to a poorly thrown and poorly timed football, it's clear he indeed gets separation quite often. You also have to account for the routes that have been methodically struck from the playbook over the years due to the lack of trust in the QB. Saying "all he can get open on is crossers" is again poor analysis as that is simply what was dumbed down for Blake to throw to him in the system. He didn't get much other opportunity route wise. In his first year under Fisch, Lee ran a greater variety of routes and showed good separation quite often with a more diverse tree. Again. Just matter-of-fact, calling it like I see it observations from the all 22 here. (05-24-2019, 08:35 AM)Dimson Wrote:So he has to have more than 3 TDs, 850 yards and 63 catches..... In todays NFL, he should easily reach those numbers if he's as good as some project.(05-24-2019, 06:46 AM)Jags02 Wrote: What do you disagree with? I think he nailed it. He does get wide open for easy passes on crossers mostly along with a couple other routes, but routes down the sideline you rarely see him get any separation. As for his hands, well, they actually rank #1...
(05-24-2019, 10:11 AM)Cleatwood Wrote:(05-24-2019, 08:35 AM)Dimson Wrote: Barring injury, I guarantee Lee will have his best year as a Jag this year.So he has to have more than 3 TDs, 850 yards and 63 catches..... In todays NFL, he should easily reach those numbers if he's as good as some project. Hell I'm hoping one of the new TEs has that much production... We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (05-24-2019, 06:46 AM)Jags02 Wrote:(05-22-2019, 10:57 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: Replaceable? Sure. The other stuff here is just ... well, I don't agree with your analysis at all. I think last year someone said he was dropping balls at a high rate because Bortles couldn't throw a spiral. lol I wonder why a 2nd round pick from years ago can't be considered just average and it isn't a slight. I mean... he's not Nuke or OBJ... he's not even Arob... he's... just a dude.
He does have bad hands. Overall I'd say he is slightly above average.
The question is, will he have more TDs or stupid penalties?
I expect Lee to be reborn (w/respect to NF7)at best providing no injuries at worst.
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(05-24-2019, 11:45 AM)Kane Wrote:(05-24-2019, 06:46 AM)Jags02 Wrote: What do you disagree with? I think he nailed it. He does get wide open for easy passes on crossers mostly along with a couple other routes, but routes down the sideline you rarely see him get any separation. As for his hands, well, they actually rank #1... ...just a dude with a $9 mil cap hit.
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Reading the article on Lee doesn't leaving me feeling positive he won't be on PUP week one.
Remember if he practices during camp he can't be placed on regular-season PUP, but he's still eligible. It's possible they do want another vet body with experience to take Lee's place early on if he does end up on PUP.
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