So if Bran is also the three eyed raven and can see the future and past, did he tell Jon who he really was unravel Danny and take the crown?

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So if Bran is also the three eyed raven and can see the future and past, did he tell Jon who he really was unravel Danny and take the crown?

He can't see the future. Only the current and past I'm pretty sure.

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So if Bran is also the three eyed raven and can see the future and past, did he tell Jon who he really was unravel Danny and take the crown?

He can't see the future. Only the current and past I'm pretty sure.

And only what weirwoods see. 

Supposedly.

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So if Bran is also the three eyed raven and can see the future and past, did he tell Jon who he really was unravel Danny and take the crown?

He can't see the future. Only the current and past I'm pretty sure.

Then how did he know about Littlefinger's deception?

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So if Bran is also the three eyed raven and can see the future and past, did he tell Jon who he really was unravel Danny and take the crown?

He can't see the future. Only the current and past I'm pretty sure

When they are all debating who’s to be king and tyron turn to bran he says why do you think I came all this way as if he knew they would ask him to begin with. He also seemed to know exactly how the battle of winterfell would play out, he knew who was going to die multiple times, I think he could see the future in general at least that’s the impression I got.

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For what we got (a screwy season at best) I think it ended just right. I literally laughed out loud when Jon killed Dany. I was so hoping it would be Arya but it had to be Jon.

Them showing the Stark kids as the ending was just right since they are who we are first introduced to in the very first episode IIRC.

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They say a picture is worth a thousand words. Writers...

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I watched the whole show, every episode, and I have no complaints. Ending a show is not an easy thing. But it has to end. Decisions have to be made, and things have to be concluded. Make some decisions, wrap things up, and that's it. The end. And, inevitably, if it was a real good series, people complain that it didn't end the way they wanted.

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The ending was fair. It was bittersweet as indicated all along. Sure, the season felt rushed and therefore the sudden changes in certain characters felt more forced and not really natural. Had they went with a normal 10 episode season I think most fans would be pleased.

But given the condensed time and storylines I get it. It was predictable though. And it did lack that shock value in the end that I was hoping for. Satisfactory? Yes. Great? No. Ultimately a great story should leave you wanting more. And wondering where they all go from here. It did that for me.

It leaves you happy that Jon and Ghost are heading North beyond the wall with Tormund and the freefolk. Jon dreamed of that since he was a boy. Sansa gets to be Queen of the North. Arya gets to see the world. Greyworm will head to Naath and live on for Missandei's loss and Tyrion will finally be able to respectfully lead as Bran's hand. We also saw Drogon fly off. Most likely to Valyria where the Targaryen's once thrived along with hordes of Dragons.

Bran the Broken will be known as Bran the Builder as Nan once told him tales as a boy. The only bittersweet aspect of it all was Jon killing Daenerys and seeing a great character arc come to a tragic end in just the matter of two final episodes. Lots of nods of respect to classical stories and historical events in GRRM's work.

Can't wait for the prequels and spin-off's.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

The ending was fair. It was bittersweet as indicated all along. Sure, the season felt rushed and therefore the sudden changes in certain characters felt more forced and not really natural. Had they went with a normal 10 episode season I think most fans would be pleased.

But given the condensed time and storylines I get it. It was predictable though. And it did lack that shock value in the end that I was hoping for. Satisfactory? Yes. Great? No. Ultimately a great story should leave you wanting more. And wondering where they all go from here. It did that for me.

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To me, the question of if a series ending was good is the simple question of, will you rewatch the series one day? I know I couldn't enjoy rewatching the series knowing how lazy the writing got.

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I am in the same boat. I said that today to my wife. She's never watched it. She couldn't get past the first two episodes. LOL.

But I can't see myself watching it all over again because of how this season played out.

Just rough. The writing was so terrible. Good acting saved some face but at times it was too forced. Tyrion still had great lines. Peter did well projecting it.

But Jon and Daenerys had some really lame duck lines, thoughts and moments that you just don't expect this late in the series. Emilia and Kit did the best they could with the script. But it was bad.

I felt like Sansa and Arya took on more of the spotlight this season. Which is fair. Bran did well. Ultimately made out like a bandit. But it felt flat all season after waiting two years.

D&D and HBO really hurt themselves here. D&D are now working on Star Wars related content. And then there's talks of two or three potential prequel series that D&D won't be involved in.

Naomi Watts is already pegged for a role. Think it starts in 2020. Hopefully they learn from this year's finale speedrun and dial it back to a reasonable pace.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

I've been one to bang the "don't complain" drum.

But damn that last episode was hard to watch.

My biggest gripe about all of it was that Arya's character seemed to have so much built up only to be mostly forgotten in the final 2 episodes. Not really sure any of the prophecies came true.
Aside from the bad writing (which some could argue wasn't exactly great even early seasons) the last episode was very much anticlimactic. From killing Dany at about the halfway point, to the "we must kill Jon and Tyrion" .... "oh nevermind, Bran is the king now"

GoT to me is much like Walking Dead, where the peak of the show was a couple seasons ago and it kind of petered off the final 2. At least with GoT it is over and with TWD they just keep that mess going.

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1000 unfired Chekov's guns and massive amounts of hand waving. 

Remember when Tyrion had to explain how loans work to Bronn? Master of Coin Bronn. Lol.

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I believe most people aren't really that mad about the ending per se (at least I'm not and I may be projecting that to others) but the way they got from the end of season 6 to the end of season 8 seemed to be at odds in many ways with the character development and the progress of the plot that had taken place before then. Individually the episodes in seasons 7 & 8 were entertaining (at times) but the story as a whole suffered. If there had been the same kind of evolution to get to the end as their had been in the first 6 seasons, people might have looked at the ending differently.

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I'm condescending. That means I talk down to you.

I re-watched the last episode last night, and I think it was very very good.  I don't agree with the criticism.

I think a lot of people just got a little too much into over analyzing every little thing, obscure plot points, etc, and I admit I did not do that.  I didn't get all deep into analyzing the thing like a lot of people, so maybe that's why I have a much easier time accepting the show for what it is.  It's a really great show, and I thought the last season and the last episode were very good.

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I re-watched the last episode last night, and I think it was very very good.  I don't agree with the criticism.

I think a lot of people just got a little too much into over analyzing every little thing, obscure plot points, etc, and I admit I did not do that.  I didn't get all deep into analyzing the thing like a lot of people, so maybe that's why I have a much easier time accepting the show for what it is.  It's a really great show, and I thought the last season and the last episode were very good.

I understand the criticisms, especially from those who read the novels, but I'm with you.The novels were so intricately detailed wile being so wide in scope I always expected the show to take shortcuts and focus on the more sensational themes. 

There were so many scenes in these last episodes that had me riveted, almost holding my breath, absorbed in what I was watching. It was very entertaining. I can wait on the final installments from George R.R. to satisfy my need for closure.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
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https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv...story.html

Just get on with it already!

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Can't read that w/o a subscription.

In my mind, Dany, Jon, Tyrion and, Grey Worm retreat to her quarters after her speech, walking past Drogon. As they enter, Tyrion confronts her. Jon defends her with "muh queen." Dany, instead of being a hopeless idealist, goes off on Tyrion. Insults him, accuses him of treason, and agrees that she will not stop until everyone is brought under her rule. Jon, who has been in denial tries to defend her, but begs for mercy. Tyrion appeals to Jon in a similar manner he did in the jail cell, "I don't want it." Tyrion tells him it doesn't matter "He will be king. Varys set in motion a series of events that have all of the lords and their armies marching to King's Landing, as we speak. They heard what happened and will not abide by her rule." Dany says they will learn the same fate as the citizens of King's Landing. She tells Grey Worm to execute Tyrion. You see Jon's sword pierce through her chest, which freezes Grey Worm in his tracks. He screams, "NO!" You hear the roar of a dragon in the background (For me, for the prophecy, when he pulls out his sword, it is engulfed in fire because it's Lightbringer)

Grey Worm and Jon Snow proceed to have an epic fight, back and forth. Maybe a few more unsullied come in to tilt the field. Jon slays them with ease, but Grey worm is gaining the upper hand. The dragon comes in the background. While they fight, you see him caress Dany, the same way as in the show, nuzzling her. By this time Grey Worm and Jon are interlocked in battle, Grey Worm on top of Jon. You see Drogon rise up in the background, and he lets out a bellowing roar that stops both fighter in their tracks. Flames start to show in his mouth. Both fighters face Drogon, drop their swords awaiting their inevitable doom. Drogon turns, melts the iron throne and leaves.

They stand there, frozen. Tyrion approaches. Informs them of the armies outside their gates. Jon says he never wanted to hurt her, but she would never quit. Grey Worm just walks away. He hates this place; it's brought him nothing but misery.

Cut to the council. The lords and ladies are ready to crown Jon. He can't accept it. He won't accept it. He offers to take the black. Tyrion asks why they need a Night's Watch. Bran tells him that what is old is new and what is new is old. The events that happened will happen again. Sansa expresses her desire for the North to be it's own kingdom. Asha chimes in. Then Dorne. Jon interrupts. The kingdoms need to be united. He suggests Bran be king. He mentions Bran the builder, who built the wall in the North. If there's still a threat, who would know better than Bran how to rebuild it. Bran agrees to be king to oversee the reconstruction of the wall, but insists it will not be permanent. Jon offers to restore the night's watch, and Sansa agrees that she will stay in the Seven Kingdoms if Jon will consider taking over the throne when Bran has rebuilt the wall.

He says that's a long time away, but, when it's done, he would agree to meet again. The new pact is made, people move on.

Include Brienne writing about Jaime. Include stupid new council scene, minus Bran going to look for dragons. Have him explain what needs to be done and leave.

End with a shot of Jon escorting the freefolk to their home lands, pan out. Far out to see the whole north, then zoom back in at the far north. There, in the ice castle, is a baby. It opens it's eyes. They're blue.

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Among the myriad awful problems this season is they are clearly taking the characters that track well and trying to focus too hard on them. 

Arya, somewhat, all though she's not as large a problem as some of the others. Chiefly Sandor, Tormund, and especially Bronn.

Bronn feels woefully out of place this season. What was the point of his encounter with Jaime and Tyrion in Winterfell with that crossbow? It would be fitting if he shoots Tyrion or Drogon during a trial to either spare Tyrion a long, drawn out execution by dragon fire or to create a distraction to save him. 

I personally feel Bronn would save Tyrion after all the [BLEEP] they've been through. Unless for some crazy [BLEEP] reason Cersei did NOT die when everything was falling down on them. Maybe Jaime shielded her? Too hard to tell. Just seems odd. Tormund honestly got shafted the most. As did Brienne. But it does fall back into what GRRM and D&D have said all along. It's a bittersweet ending for a ton of characters. Not just the main characters.

I didn't mind Sandor's exit. We all wanted Cleganebowl. It was an exciting finish to a life long struggle Sandor had to endure. Out of ALL the characters in this series. He was by far my favorite overall story arc and he developed perfectly over the years. I can live with him dying the way he did. 

Arya is an unsung hero. She's overshadowed but going back to season one she was essentially training her entire life for these very same moments we've seen her come through and execute perfectly. Sansa though. I think people forget about her. But Sansa probably has a lot to do with Daenerys' current situation. I think she honestly tipped off Cersei about her arrival and she's mostly responsible for the losses of Rhaegal and Missandei. 

Jon's decision will more than likely come down to choosing his new found name and potential title for love in Daenerys' name. Or... he protects the family that has ALWAYS protected him in Ned's honor. He'll kill Daenerys I think. And return back to Winterfell and take the black apart of the Night's Watch again. Truly a bittersweet end. As Jon once again loses another love of his life. And we all have to watch with a sinking feeling knowing damn well he deserved to be on the throne.

Good call.  Finally got to see the finale.

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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

Among the myriad awful problems this season is they are clearly taking the characters that track well and trying to focus too hard on them. 

Arya, somewhat, all though she's not as large a problem as some of the others. Chiefly Sandor, Tormund, and especially Bronn.

Bronn feels woefully out of place this season. What was the point of his encounter with Jaime and Tyrion in Winterfell with that crossbow? It would be fitting if he shoots Tyrion or Drogon during a trial to either spare Tyrion a long, drawn out execution by dragon fire or to create a distraction to save him. 

I personally feel Bronn would save Tyrion after all the [BLEEP] they've been through. Unless for some crazy [BLEEP] reason Cersei did NOT die when everything was falling down on them. Maybe Jaime shielded her? Too hard to tell. Just seems odd. Tormund honestly got shafted the most. As did Brienne. But it does fall back into what GRRM and D&D have said all along. It's a bittersweet ending for a ton of characters. Not just the main characters.

I didn't mind Sandor's exit. We all wanted Cleganebowl. It was an exciting finish to a life long struggle Sandor had to endure. Out of ALL the characters in this series. He was by far my favorite overall story arc and he developed perfectly over the years. I can live with him dying the way he did. 

Arya is an unsung hero. She's overshadowed but going back to season one she was essentially training her entire life for these very same moments we've seen her come through and execute perfectly. Sansa though. I think people forget about her. But Sansa probably has a lot to do with Daenerys' current situation. I think she honestly tipped off Cersei about her arrival and she's mostly responsible for the losses of Rhaegal and Missandei. 

Jon's decision will more than likely come down to choosing his new found name and potential title for love in Daenerys' name. Or... he protects the family that has ALWAYS protected him in Ned's honor. He'll kill Daenerys I think. And return back to Winterfell and take the black apart of the Night's Watch again. Truly a bittersweet end. As Jon once again loses another love of his life. And we all have to watch with a sinking feeling knowing damn well he deserved to be on the throne.

Deserved to be on the throne?  Maybe by blood, but he would have been a lousy king, because he just wasn't very clever.  

Brave warrior, yes.  Ruler?  No way.

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