Nobody is safe in a what have you done for me lately business.

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What good does firing Rivera do now? The Panthers haven't collapsed. It's not like they're us.

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What good does firing Rivera do now? The Panthers haven't collapsed. It's not like they're us.

Shows the fans you don't accept mediocrity and also gives you a jump on finding his replacement?

I do find it a little odd though. He is 5-7 without his franchise QB the entire year. Owner must know something we don't.

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Coaches who have accomplished much less are still employed

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What good does firing Rivera do now? The Panthers haven't collapsed. It's not like they're us.

Shows the fans you don't accept mediocrity and also gives you a jump on finding his replacement?

I do find it a little odd though. He is 5-7 without his franchise QB the entire year. Owner must know something we don't.

I don't get the whole "don't accept mediocrity" logic, and getting a jump on finding his replacement is ridiculous. You're not going to find and hire a replacement during the season, and currently having a head coach isn't going to stop the out-of-work guys who are allowed to answer the phone from talking to you. The only reasons to fire a coach in season, imo, are:

-Gross misconduct/violation of contract
-A realistic belief that the interim guy could get your team to the playoffs
-Complete loss of the locker room/player revolt

IIRC, Bradley's in-season firing was the equivalent of a mercy killing. They'd already decided to fire him and were flying in candidates to replace him for in-person interviews, and they didn't want him in the building when those guys were walking by his office. So maybe that's what's up with Rivera here?

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I had heard people say that the Panthers might fire Ron but I wasn't sure if it would happen this season. Let alone this quickly, before this season is over with. But the Panthers owner David Tepper has come out on more than one occasion and expressed strongly that he will not tolerate losing/medocrity. And he may feel that this is a big step in trying to make this team better.

I do think that overall Ron has done some really nice things for this team, he did make the playoffs almost half the time he was coach, he coached them to a Super Bowl and Cam was an MVP underneath his tenure. I also thought he did a pretty nice job earlier this season when Kyle Allen first stepped in and the Panthers were rolling and on a streak. But unfortunately they haven't fared so well lately, with four losses in a row, two being to bad teams. And it looks like the owner really wasn't liking what was going on and decided to make this decision.

I couid definitely see Ron getting another HC job somewhere else. But I wonder where the Panthers goes from here. Earlier on this season when they were rolling and Kyle Allen was playing well, there was speculation that they may move on from Cam. I remember a lot of people including sports analysts predicting that Cam would be on another team next year. But lately Kyle/the team haven't played as well and now I'm seeing discussion that maybe they do try again with Cam next year. Maybe they are hoping Cam will come back healthy and they will try with him once again.

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Must be heartbreaking to take a team to the top, and come oh so close, only to end up fired a few seasons later. I would lose sleep over it until/if I was able to win a title.

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everyone, meet the Jaguars new defensive coordinator

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I had heard people say that the Panthers might fire Ron but I wasn't sure if it would happen this season. Let alone this quickly, before this season is over with. But the Panthers owner David Tepper has come out on more than one occasion and expressed strongly that he will not tolerate losing/medocrity. And he may feel that this is a big step in trying to make this team better.

I do think that overall Ron has done some really nice things for this team, he did make the playoffs almost half the time he was coach, he coached them to a Super Bowl and Cam was an MVP underneath his tenure. I also thought he did a pretty nice job earlier this season when Kyle Allen first stepped in and the Panthers were rolling and on a streak. But unfortunately they haven't fared so well lately, with four losses in a row, two being to bad teams. And it looks like the owner really wasn't liking what was going on and decided to make this decision.

I couid definitely see Ron getting another HC job somewhere else. But I wonder where the Panthers goes from here. Earlier on this season when they were rolling and Kyle Allen was playing well, there was speculation that they may move on from Cam. I remember a lot of people including sports analysts predicting that Cam would be on another team next year. But lately Kyle/the team haven't played as well and now I'm seeing discussion that maybe they do try again with Cam next year.  Maybe they are hoping Cam will come back healthy and they will try with him once again.

It's ultimately as you pointed above regarding David Tepper. He stated not too long ago publicly after that loss to the Packers in Green Bay that he wasn't going to tolerate losing and mediocrity. This is him living up to his word. Some of us may not like it or agree with his method. But it's his team. His method.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Playoffs 4 out of 8 years.
Not bad with a streaky QB and with Brees and Ryan in the same division

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They lost to the Redskins.
Thats the NFC equivalent of losing to the Jaguars.

Member when losing to the Jaguars got you fired? member? I member...

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Must be heartbreaking to take a team to the top, and come oh so close, only to end up fired a few seasons later. I would lose sleep over it until/if  I was able to win a title.

They learned from John Fox. Sometimes too much patience is a bad thing. Sometimes it's a good thing. Worked out for the Steelers and Bill Cowher. Had Weaver stuck it out with Coughlin we may have won one in Jacksonville.

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Playoffs 4 out of 8 years.
Not bad with a streaky QB and with Brees and Ryan in the same division

Del Rio didn't get a pass with dealing with Manning and McNair every year. Rivera doesn't deserve any special treatment. Good coaches and general managers build their teams around the principle of being good enough to oust your divisional opponents since it's six of your contests per year. 

Our team on the other hand has a knack for having it's [BLEEP] handed to it on a silver platter by their divisional opponents. All the more reason Marrone and Coughlin should be shown the same treatment already instead of waiting until January. Again, sometimes patience is great. Sometimes it's not. 

In our case? It's not.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

They also started out 5-3 (after an 0-2 start with Cam, iirc) and then lost the last 4, mostly in blow out fashion.

I don't necessarily agree with canning a coach with a solid resume mid(ish) season. But whatever, its his team. Maybe he wanted to give Perry an extended interview try out.

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They also started out 5-3 (after an 0-2 start with Cam, iirc) and then lost the last 4, mostly in blow out fashion.

I don't necessarily agree with canning a coach with a solid resume mid(ish) season. But whatever, its his team. Maybe he wanted to give Perry an extended interview try out.

Norv Turner is the O.C. Surprised he wasn't given the interim.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

They also started out 5-3 (after an 0-2 start with Cam, iirc) and then lost the last 4, mostly in blow out fashion.

I don't necessarily agree with canning a coach with a solid resume mid(ish) season. But whatever, its his team. Maybe he wanted to give Perry an extended interview try out.

Norv Turner is the O.C. Surprised he wasn't given the interim.

He kind of was, he's no longer the OC, he's a special assistant to the HC.  Scott Turner is the OC now, though I'm sure Norv will be pretty involved.

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Shows the fans you don't accept mediocrity and also gives you a jump on finding his replacement?

I do find it a little odd though. He is 5-7 without his franchise QB the entire year. Owner must know something we don't.

I don't get the whole "don't accept mediocrity" logic, and getting a jump on finding his replacement is ridiculous. You're not going to find and hire a replacement during the season, and currently having a head coach isn't going to stop the out-of-work guys who are allowed to answer the phone from talking to you. The only reasons to fire a coach in season, imo, are:

-Gross misconduct/violation of contract
-A realistic belief that the interim guy could get your team to the playoffs
-Complete loss of the locker room/player revolt

IIRC, Bradley's in-season firing was the equivalent of a mercy killing. They'd already decided to fire him and were flying in candidates to replace him for in-person interviews, and they didn't want him in the building when those guys were walking by his office. So maybe that's what's up with Rivera here?

Ron getting fired now helps the team find a new coach and actually helps him find a new team too.  

For one you get a jump on every single potential HC because they don't have to wait to be sure you are looking. The sooner you get the coaching ticket wrapped up the sooner you can go after assistants and other staff prior to the season ending.

The season is over, Ron has a better chance at winning games so it's better to just take the Ls and improve draft position too.

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Nobody is safe in a what have you done for me lately business.

Honestly, this is probably a few years past due.

New owner, slate being wiped clean and a new direction for the team. Vic brought up a good point today, too. Owner formerly had ties to Pittsburgh, so McCarthy is probabaly already scheduled for an interview.

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Must be heartbreaking to take a team to the top, and come oh so close, only to end up fired a few seasons later. I would lose sleep over it until/if  I was able to win a title.

They learned from John Fox. Sometimes too much patience is a bad thing. Sometimes it's a good thing. Worked out for the Steelers and Bill Cowher. Had Weaver stuck it out with Coughlin we may have won one in Jacksonville.

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Playoffs 4 out of 8 years.
Not bad with a streaky QB and with Brees and Ryan in the same division

Del Rio didn't get a pass with dealing with Manning and McNair every year. Rivera doesn't deserve any special treatment. Good coaches and general managers build their teams around the principle of being good enough to oust your divisional opponents since it's six of your contests per year. 

Our team on the other hand has a knack for having it's [BLEEP] handed to it on a silver platter by their divisional opponents. All the more reason Marrone and Coughlin should be shown the same treatment already instead of waiting until January. Again, sometimes patience is great. Sometimes it's not. 

In our case? It's not.

Mcnair was only around in 03,04, and 05.
03 he did ok but missed 2 games, but 04 and 05 he was in and out with injuries and did not play too well in 05.

Bold part: this is exactly what Rivera did. Won the division 3 years in a row and 2 second place finishes
Rivera is an entire tier above JDR

Rivera is a solid Head Coach.

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They learned from John Fox. Sometimes too much patience is a bad thing. Sometimes it's a good thing. Worked out for the Steelers and Bill Cowher. Had Weaver stuck it out with Coughlin we may have won one in Jacksonville.

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Del Rio didn't get a pass with dealing with Manning and McNair every year. Rivera doesn't deserve any special treatment. Good coaches and general managers build their teams around the principle of being good enough to oust your divisional opponents since it's six of your contests per year. 

Our team on the other hand has a knack for having it's [BLEEP] handed to it on a silver platter by their divisional opponents. All the more reason Marrone and Coughlin should be shown the same treatment already instead of waiting until January. Again, sometimes patience is great. Sometimes it's not. 

In our case? It's not.

Mcnair was only around in 03,04, and 05.
03 he did ok but missed 2 games, but 04 and 05 he was in and out with injuries and did not play too well in 05.

Bold part: this is exactly what Rivera did. Won the division 3 years in a row and 2 second place finishes
Rivera is an entire tier above JDR

Rivera is a solid Head Coach.

Not going to argue that Rivera isn't a solid coach. You don't get to a Superbowl by accident. He reminds me of Del Rio in a sense that he's heavily defensive minded due to his background. And he's had some good years here and there. I'll agree that he's an entire tier above Jack Del Rio. 

McNair was still a pain in the [BLEEP] to game plan against even during those three years. He was Co-MVP with Manning if I recall correctly. Imagine being a coach in a division where two of your opponents have a Co-MVP title at the QB position. That's mind numbing. Even more mind numbing that a 12 - 4 record earned you a wildcard spot because your divisional opponent finished 13 - 3 or 14 - 2. Something crazy like that. 

The NFC South, much like the NFC East has a history of being tipsy topsy as well. In fact. That division was so awful in 2014 that they took the division with a 7 - 8 - 1 record. Yikes!

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Probably already mentioned, but Tepper bought the team in 2018. This likely has as much to do with Rivera's relationship with a new owner as it does the team's productivity.

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