I'm fine with it as long as Joe Burrow, Derrick Brown, Andrew Thomas and Tristan Wirfs are gone. If WR represents the BAP, then drafting one would be the right move. I certainly don't wanna reach. It's not exactly like we're loaded at WR anyway. I love Chark and Westbrook can be good as well, but that's about it. We could always use another receiver. Lamb and Jeudy appear to be special prospects.

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What if the top OT's and NT are gone? That is a very likely and probable scenario.

Sure... if Thomas and Brown are off the board I'd be OK with Jeudy or Lamb.

But what if we're picking 8th and those two WRs are off the board. You OK with Higgins or Ruggs that high? IDK...

I cannot see a scenario where Burrow, Brown, Thomas, Wirfs, Jeudy and Lamb are all gone when we pick. If that did happen though, I'd definitely have Okudah and Simmons ranked ahead of Ruggs and certainly ahead of Higgins.

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Sure... if Thomas and Brown are off the board I'd be OK with Jeudy or Lamb.

But what if we're picking 8th and those two WRs are off the board. You OK with Higgins or Ruggs that high? IDK...

I cannot see a scenario where Burrow, Brown, Thomas, Wirfs, Jeudy and Lamb are all gone when we pick. If that did happen though, I'd definitely have Okudah and Simmons ranked ahead of Ruggs and certainly ahead of Higgins.

I'm not as high on Wirfs.
But even adding him into the mix I could see it shake out like this

Burrow - Cincy
Young - NYG
Thomas - Miami
Jeudy - Washington
Wirfs - Detroit
Brown - Cards
Lamb - NYJ

This may not be realistic, seeing as it means Tua and Herbert both likely sliding out of the top ten.
BUT... it's a possible, albeit not probable, scenario.
That puts us either taking Okudah, Delpit, or perhaps reaching on another tackle prospect.

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I don't think Wills is declaring. He has a much better shot to go higher if he stays in school and proves he can play LT in 2020 for Alabama.

I dunno I see him in the 10-20 range on mocks pretty regularly now, and he should be one of the bigger risers with the predraft testing. Unfortunately I saw Brugler stole my bandwagon thunder and claimed he was his OT1 earlier today.

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I don't think Wills is declaring. He has a much better shot to go higher if he stays in school and proves he can play LT in 2020 for Alabama.

I dunno I see him in the 10-20 range on mocks pretty regularly now, and he should be one of the bigger risers with the predraft testing. Unfortunately I saw Brugler stole my bandwagon thunder and claimed he was his OT1 earlier today.

Personally, I have a bias against Alabama and Texas A&M LT prospects. Alabama hasn't turned out a decent LT prospect in forever. They normally either tank, have to be moved inside to OG or be moved to RT, since they lack the footwork to stay with speed rushers off the edge. I just don't see anything from Leatherwood or Wills that makes me change my mind on that. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

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About the only thing Caldwell seems to have a scouts eye for is WRs. So, if he's still around (and assuming Coughlin is out - otherwise it will be OL or DL) WR probably wouldn't be a bad pick in first or second round for us.

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How would ya'll feel if we went WR with our first pick?

Jeudy and Lamb both look like elite talent, and chances are one of them will be there when we pick. If other options are gone, I'd be happy with either of those two.

On the other hand, do we have too many big big needs to justify taking a WR?

I like Lamb & Higgins the most as far as 1st RD talent goes in next year's draft but I honestly feel this class is relatively deep with plenty of those rangy type guys that can go up and get it. With Chark and Conley being relatively consistent this year I don't think it's really a need to go after a WR that early. 

I don't see a Calvin Johnson Jr., Larry Fitzgerald or Julio Jones type target in this year's class where you're sitting there thinking you HAVE to take this guy if he's on the board. I would be happy with Pittman Jr. out of USC on maybe day two or three. I would be excited if they landed Golden-Gandy out of Liberty or Mims out of Baylor too.

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I dunno I see him in the 10-20 range on mocks pretty regularly now, and he should be one of the bigger risers with the predraft testing. Unfortunately I saw Brugler stole my bandwagon thunder and claimed he was his OT1 earlier today.

Personally, I have a bias against Alabama and Texas A&M LT prospects. Alabama hasn't turned out a decent LT prospect in forever. They normally either tank, have to be moved inside to OG or be moved to RT, since they lack the footwork to stay with speed rushers off the edge. I just don't see anything from Leatherwood or Wills that makes me change my mind on that. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Was thinking this yesterday on my end. Between Leatherwood and Wills and that other kid I wouldn't feel comfortable with another LT prospect out of Alabama. Not even out of RD2.

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How would ya'll feel if we went WR with our first pick?

Jeudy and Lamb both look like elite talent, and chances are one of them will be there when we pick. If other options are gone, I'd be happy with either of those two.

On the other hand, do we have too many big big needs to justify taking a WR?

I like Lamb & Higgins the most as far as 1st RD talent goes in next year's draft but I honestly feel this class is relatively deep with plenty of those rangy type guys that can go up and get it. With Chark and Conley being relatively consistent this year I don't think it's really a need to go after a WR that early. 

I don't see a Calvin Johnson Jr., Larry Fitzgerald or Julio Jones type target in this year's class where you're sitting there thinking you HAVE to take this guy if he's on the board. I would be happy with Pittman Jr. out of USC on maybe day two or three. I would be excited if they landed Golden-Gandy out of Liberty or Mims out of Baylor too.

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Personally, I have a bias against Alabama and Texas A&M LT prospects. Alabama hasn't turned out a decent LT prospect in forever. They normally either tank, have to be moved inside to OG or be moved to RT, since they lack the footwork to stay with speed rushers off the edge. I just don't see anything from Leatherwood or Wills that makes me change my mind on that. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Was thinking this yesterday on my end. Between Leatherwood and Wills and that other kid I wouldn't feel comfortable with another LT prospect out of Alabama. Not even out of RD2.

This is an extremely deep WR class. There is gonna be good receivers taken all the way into the 4th or 5th and possibly the 6th rounds of the draft. I like Gandy Golden and Pittman as well. I believe they go in the 3rd or 4th round. I also like Gabriel Davis of UCF, Chase Claypool of Notre Dame, Isaiah Hodgins of Oregon State, Tyler Johnson of Minnesota, Omar Bayless of Arkansas State and Scotty Washington of Wake Forest. All those guys should be available later in the draft. 

I feel the same way about the Alabama OT's. Maybe if we needed a RT, I'd be o.k. with them, but definitely not as a LT.

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I like Lamb & Higgins the most as far as 1st RD talent goes in next year's draft but I honestly feel this class is relatively deep with plenty of those rangy type guys that can go up and get it. With Chark and Conley being relatively consistent this year I don't think it's really a need to go after a WR that early. 

I don't see a Calvin Johnson Jr., Larry Fitzgerald or Julio Jones type target in this year's class where you're sitting there thinking you HAVE to take this guy if he's on the board. I would be happy with Pittman Jr. out of USC on maybe day two or three. I would be excited if they landed Golden-Gandy out of Liberty or Mims out of Baylor too.

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Was thinking this yesterday on my end. Between Leatherwood and Wills and that other kid I wouldn't feel comfortable with another LT prospect out of Alabama. Not even out of RD2.

This is an extremely deep WR class. There is gonna be good receivers taken all the way into the 4th or 5th and possibly the 6th rounds of the draft. I like Gandy Golden and Pittman as well. I believe they go in the 3rd or 4th round. I also like Gabriel Davis of UCF, Chase Claypool of Notre Dame, Isaiah Hodgins of Oregon State, Tyler Johnson of Minnesota, Omar Bayless of Arkansas State and Scotty Washington of Wake Forest. All those guys should be available later in the draft. 

I feel the same way about the Alabama OT's. Maybe if we needed a RT, I'd be o.k. with them, but definitely not as a LT.

Tyler Johnson is one of my favorite players in this draft.

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Depends on how value shakes out, but I'd much rather see left tackle, nose tackle and MLB prioritized early.

It's a deep class at receiver and it's not a glaring need.  I'd be looking for receiver value in the fourth/fifth round but I'll get it if they take one before that.

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Where do we stand with Cam Robinson right now? I can't say I've been studying his play much at all this year. Are we at the point of giving up on him at LT?

I kind of feel like the interior of the line is more of a problem than the interior. I also feel that Cam could be an absolute mauler at LG, so drafting a LT and moving Cam inside could be a win win.

Except it's the jags so it'd probably be a disaster.

His footwork just hasn't improved enough and the penalties and pressures are piling up too high.
I'd look to upgrade LT and try Cam at guard.

Completely with you on this.  Fix the O-line first and foremost.  Next, fix the LBs.  I wonder if we were running a base 3-4 if we could get more bang for our buck with the roster?

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Fix the O-Line!

Depends on how value shakes out, but I'd much rather see left tackle, nose tackle and MLB prioritized early.

It's a deep class at receiver and it's not a glaring need.  I'd be looking for receiver value in the fourth/fifth round but I'll get it if they take one before that.

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His footwork just hasn't improved enough and the penalties and pressures are piling up too high.
I'd look to upgrade LT and try Cam at guard.

Completely with you on this.  Fix the O-line first and foremost.  Next, fix the LBs.  I wonder if we were running a base 3-4 if we could get more bang for our buck with the roster?

I'm also intrigued by the idea of switching to a 3-4 this offseason. It's not like we have an incredibly strong foundation of a 4-3 in place currently, so now would be a good time to do it. There are a few players on our roster who could well be improved in a 3-4. I guess there's a lot of things to happen before we get to discussing scheme for next year though...

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3-4 pieces
NT - TBD, Russel?
DE - Campbell, Smoot, TBD
OLB - Ngakoue, Allen, TBD
ILB - Jack, Jacobs, TBD

Not sure
Bryan, Jones, Williams, Ryan

I guess the pieces might be there. Huge leap that some key players will make the transition.

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I cannot see a scenario where Burrow, Brown, Thomas, Wirfs, Jeudy and Lamb are all gone when we pick. If that did happen though, I'd definitely have Okudah and Simmons ranked ahead of Ruggs and certainly ahead of Higgins.

I'm not as high on Wirfs.
But even adding him into the mix I could see it shake out like this

Burrow - Cincy
Young - NYG
Thomas - Miami
Jeudy - Washington
Wirfs - Detroit
Brown - Cards
Lamb - NYJ

This may not be realistic, seeing as it means Tua and Herbert both likely sliding out of the top ten.
BUT... it's a possible, albeit not probable, scenario.
That puts us either taking Okudah, Delpit, or perhaps reaching on another tackle prospect.

In your scenerio, I'd definitely try to trade back to someone wanting either Tua or Herbert. If that doesn't happen, Okudah would have to be my choice. However, I still have hopes that Derrick Brown will make it to the Jags pick.

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I'd take Simmons over both

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I'd take Simmons over both

Simmons is a very good player, but would a tall, thinner, OLB who excels in coverage, really help our run defense that much? He's certainly doesn't have the beef to play MLB. How much impact would he have in pass defense? Brown and Okudah are elite players and I believe both of them would make bigger impacts. One on run defense and the other in pass defense.

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I'm not as high on Wirfs.
But even adding him into the mix I could see it shake out like this

Burrow - Cincy
Young - NYG
Thomas - Miami
Jeudy - Washington
Wirfs - Detroit
Brown - Cards
Lamb - NYJ

This may not be realistic, seeing as it means Tua and Herbert both likely sliding out of the top ten.
BUT... it's a possible, albeit not probable, scenario.
That puts us either taking Okudah, Delpit, or perhaps reaching on another tackle prospect.

In your scenerio, I'd definitely try to trade back to someone wanting either Tua or Herbert. If that doesn't happen, Okudah would have to be my choice. However, I still have hopes that Derrick Brown will make it to the Jags pick.

A big part of it will be how they approach the roster. If they cut a bunch of veterans and have a reset, then there would be nothing to stop you from changing the scheme. If they decide to keep most of the current defense, then it's much more likely they stick with 4-3...

Edit: Just realized I quoted totally the wrong post...

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I'd take Simmons over both

Man... I just can't see taking an OLB top ten.

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I'd take Simmons over both

Man... I just can't see taking an OLB top ten.

Unless a top qb is available, fix the O line. That trumps all.


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Fix the O-Line!

3-4 pieces
NT - TBD, Russel?
DE - Campbell, Smoot, TBD
OLB - Ngakoue, Allen, TBD
ILB - Jack, Jacobs, TBD

Not sure
Bryan, Jones, Williams, Ryan

I guess the pieces might be there.  Huge leap that some key players will make the transition.

Probably something like this:

DE - Campbell
NT - Dareus?, Russell
DE - Bryan/Jones
OLB - Ngakoue, Smoot
MLB - Jack, Williams
MLB - Payne? Ryan?
OLB - Allen, Jacobs

I think a 34 would be good for Ngakoue and Allen as it would allow them to both be in the field at the same time.

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I'd take Simmons over both

Man... I just can't see taking an OLB top ten.

If he is BPA I can and he might be when we pick.  Especially if our new coaching staff thinks they can fix Jack at MLB and plans to use him there

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I'd take Simmons over both

Simmons is a very good player, but would a tall, thinner, OLB who excels in coverage, really help our run defense that much? He's certainly doesn't have the beef to play MLB. How much impact would he have in pass defense? Brown and Okudah are elite players and I believe both of them would make bigger impacts. One on run defense and the other in pass defense.

He is good at both.  I definitely want Brown but Simmons and Okudah are close for me but I think Simmoms would make a bigger impact as I think LB is a bigger need.  I also think Simmons would help our run D as much as it would our pass D as he wouldn't be out of position, taking bad angles and hitting the wrong gaps.  I wouldn't hate a Simmons and Delpit with our first 2 picks.  Even though I feel NT and online are bigger needs but if Simmons and Delpit are BPA when we pick I would love getting those 2 with our 2 1st.  Would get the Thorpe and Butkus award winners and would make our D much better

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