Glad you’re 100% sold on him being the QB for the next 15 years.

Knowing how quickly things can change, I want to continue improving on the most important position in football. I don’t want to reach for a QB but if one is there at 9 or 20, I’m taking it.

Hes done enough to give him a chance for 2020 and if he isnt the guy, you draft one in 2021.  Still not sure what a QB has to do in his rookie year in order for you to give a guy a shot in his 2nd year.  Hell this team wasnt even built for Minshew and he led all rookies in most of the important categories.  QB is the most important position but none of the top 5 passers in the league this year made the playoffs. You need a team to win and this team has a bunch of holes. Use those 1st round picks to bring in some building blocks, a few great players to try and help the QB that just won about half of the rookie of the weeks and went 6-6 with this poor oline, coaching, and TE's.  ( should of had a winning record if it wasnt for LF not getting the 2 point conv.)

I’m fine with heading into next year with Minshew but passing up potential franchise QBs (again I only see Tua as one at pick 9) because you may have something in Minshew is a mistake. It’s like drafting Leftwitch and then passing on Ben.

The Cardinals took Rosen and then said “nah. We aren’t complacent. Lets go take Murray”.

Minshew has earned the right to come back in 2020 but to me, we aren’t so set that we should pass up elite QB talent if it’s there. 

Right now they don’t have a backup plan if Minshew doesn’t plan out other than “Hey. We will just go get one in 2021” which is such a Jaguars thing to do. “There’s always next year”

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I'm sold on him being the unquestioned starter in 2020 and then we can go from there with his evaluation. If he thrives, great, we have a QB. If he plays bad, great we go into 2021 draft and take someone high.    

And if he plays average? Ehh i dunno. Half the fanbase will make excuses and say hes the guy, the other half will say draft a QB in 21'

That's a fair standard to hold, all things considered, going into 2020.

What would 'average' QB numbers look like, exactly, though? 20 TDs, 10 or so INTs?

Problem is that you can make an argument out of any numbers, which is exactly why people are divided on him in the first place, unfortunately. To me, he's gotta be MORE than a game manager; that's when you know you may very well have someone who can be your future starter. Game managing quarterbacks have to play to NOT make mistakes, and rely on a perfect team around them. If Minshew can put up great numbers next year even with mediocre talent around him (Barring improvements in other teammates, of course!) I'd say that makes me think, Marrone or no, that MAYBE he's worth hanging onto for awhile longer.

I'd rather not see this team become like Denver in which they keep drafting and they keep missing on the turnstile of QBs....not that Jacksonville hasn't been doing that either, but you know what I mean? They drafted Lynch, Semian, brought in Keenum, Flacco, drafted Lock, and MAYBE Lock will do it for them after all of this time, but who knows? That's what makes football exciting I guess. You never do know entirely. For me? Even with all of his struggles, watching Minshew play actually made me enjoy watching the Jags for a change. I didn't get that feeling while watching Foles or Bortles, that's all I know.

Yeah I agree , numbers alone won't tell you if he's good enough or not. More so mean average as in tiers of QB.  

Even when Minshew has played badly he's still being good at eventually coming back into the game...with Blake if he played bad you knew it was a wrap.  In 2020 I'd just like to see more consistency. Cut the fumbles down with a few more weapons and you will get a better QB automatically.  

If he repeats his rookie year performance year 2 I'd find it hard not to take a first round QB in 2021. This is all ages away but the last think you want to do is align yourself with an average Qb when theres franchise Qbs to be had

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Teams will have tape on him now. The AFC and NFC North divisions on this year's schedule will test him as well.

I like what I saw out of him from time to time. He has the ability to escape and buy time for a critical play.

He can make pretty good throws under pressure. He just has to show consistency in year two.

Sophmore slumps are very real. So that's why I am tempering my expectations for him. There's a lot of holes to fill.

My concerns would be finding him a viable option at the TE position. Finding him another WR like Chark. And certainly addressing the LT and RG positions in particular.

But the defense could hinder some of that this off season if we lose Dareus, Campbell and Bouye. The back seven is weak enough as it is.

Losing two big bodies on the front four will hurt us. We'll see though.

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Tyler Johonson please. Not like Chark but is a great route runner and can make any catch.  Did you see the catch he had against Aurburn when he put up over 200 yards?  My favorite WR in the draft

Big fan of Tyler too, and you won't need to spend a top 100 pick on him either

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Hes done enough to give him a chance for 2020 and if he isnt the guy, you draft one in 2021.  Still not sure what a QB has to do in his rookie year in order for you to give a guy a shot in his 2nd year.  Hell this team wasnt even built for Minshew and he led all rookies in most of the important categories.  QB is the most important position but none of the top 5 passers in the league this year made the playoffs. You need a team to win and this team has a bunch of holes. Use those 1st round picks to bring in some building blocks, a few great players to try and help the QB that just won about half of the rookie of the weeks and went 6-6 with this poor oline, coaching, and TE's.  ( should of had a winning record if it wasnt for LF not getting the 2 point conv.)

I’m fine with heading into next year with Minshew but passing up potential franchise QBs (again I only see Tua as one at pick 9) because you may have something in Minshew is a mistake. It’s like drafting Leftwitch and then passing on Ben.

The Cardinals took Rosen and then said “nah. We aren’t complacent. Lets go take Murray”.

Minshew has earned the right to come back in 2020 but to me, we aren’t so set that we should pass up elite QB talent if it’s there. 

Right now they don’t have a backup plan if Minshew doesn’t plan out other than “Hey. We will just go get one in 2021” which is such a Jaguars thing to do. “There’s always next year”

Lol, Tua isnt some sure fire elite prospect.  He isnt Andrew Luck or John Elway.  Say you draft Tua, start him and he doesnt play that great his rookie year.  Then you draft another QB in 2021?

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Hes done enough to give him a chance for 2020 and if he isnt the guy, you draft one in 2021.  Still not sure what a QB has to do in his rookie year in order for you to give a guy a shot in his 2nd year.  Hell this team wasnt even built for Minshew and he led all rookies in most of the important categories.  QB is the most important position but none of the top 5 passers in the league this year made the playoffs. You need a team to win and this team has a bunch of holes. Use those 1st round picks to bring in some building blocks, a few great players to try and help the QB that just won about half of the rookie of the weeks and went 6-6 with this poor oline, coaching, and TE's.  ( should of had a winning record if it wasnt for LF not getting the 2 point conv.)

I’m fine with heading into next year with Minshew but passing up potential franchise QBs (again I only see Tua as one at pick 9) because you may have something in Minshew is a mistake. It’s like drafting Leftwitch and then passing on Ben.

The Cardinals took Rosen and then said “nah. We aren’t complacent. Lets go take Murray”.

Minshew has earned the right to come back in 2020 but to me, we aren’t so set that we should pass up elite QB talent if it’s there. 

Right now they don’t have a backup plan if Minshew doesn’t plan out other than “Hey. We will just go get one in 2021” which is such a Jaguars thing to do. “There’s always next year”

Rosen was garbage compared to Minshew though.

Minshew, with limited weapons, an offense not tailored for him, still did better than Kyler Murray.

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That's a fair standard to hold, all things considered, going into 2020.

What would 'average' QB numbers look like, exactly, though? 20 TDs, 10 or so INTs?

Problem is that you can make an argument out of any numbers, which is exactly why people are divided on him in the first place, unfortunately. To me, he's gotta be MORE than a game manager; that's when you know you may very well have someone who can be your future starter. Game managing quarterbacks have to play to NOT make mistakes, and rely on a perfect team around them. If Minshew can put up great numbers next year even with mediocre talent around him (Barring improvements in other teammates, of course!) I'd say that makes me think, Marrone or no, that MAYBE he's worth hanging onto for awhile longer.

I'd rather not see this team become like Denver in which they keep drafting and they keep missing on the turnstile of QBs....not that Jacksonville hasn't been doing that either, but you know what I mean? They drafted Lynch, Semian, brought in Keenum, Flacco, drafted Lock, and MAYBE Lock will do it for them after all of this time, but who knows? That's what makes football exciting I guess. You never do know entirely. For me? Even with all of his struggles, watching Minshew play actually made me enjoy watching the Jags for a change. I didn't get that feeling while watching Foles or Bortles, that's all I know.

Yeah I agree , numbers alone won't tell you if he's good enough or not. More so mean average as in tiers of QB.  

Even when Minshew has played badly he's still being good at eventually coming back into the game...with Blake if he played bad you knew it was a wrap.  In 2020 I'd just like to see more consistency. Cut the fumbles down with a few more weapons and you will get a better QB automatically.  

If he repeats his rookie year performance year 2 I'd find it hard not to take a first round QB in 2021. This is all ages away but the last think you want to do is align yourself with an average Qb when theres franchise Qbs to be had

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Tyler Johonson please. Not like Chark but is a great route runner and can make any catch.  Did you see the catch he had against Aurburn when he put up over 200 yards?  My favorite WR in the draft

Big fan of Tyler too, and you won't need to spend a top 100 pick on him either

You mean top 10 pick?  I would be shocked if he made it to our 3rd round pick but I think he will go in the 2nd.  Especially after the way he looked in the Aurburn game.  No way does he not get drafted in the first 100 picks

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I’m fine with heading into next year with Minshew but passing up potential franchise QBs (again I only see Tua as one at pick 9) because you may have something in Minshew is a mistake. It’s like drafting Leftwitch and then passing on Ben.

The Cardinals took Rosen and then said “nah. We aren’t complacent. Lets go take Murray”.

Minshew has earned the right to come back in 2020 but to me, we aren’t so set that we should pass up elite QB talent if it’s there. 

Right now they don’t have a backup plan if Minshew doesn’t plan out other than “Hey. We will just go get one in 2021” which is such a Jaguars thing to do. “There’s always next year”

Rosen was garbage compared to Minshew though.

Minshew, with limited weapons, an offense not tailored for him, still did better than Kyler Murray.

Yeah, thats a horrible comparison.  If Rosen looked as good as Minshew did they would of kept him and drafted Bosa

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Yeah I agree , numbers alone won't tell you if he's good enough or not. More so mean average as in tiers of QB.  

Even when Minshew has played badly he's still being good at eventually coming back into the game...with Blake if he played bad you knew it was a wrap.  In 2020 s I'd just like to see more consistency. Cut the fumbles down with a few more weapons and you will get a better QB automatically.  

If he repeats his rookie year performance year 2 I'd find it hard not to take a first round QB in 2021. This is all ages away but the last think you want to do is align yourself with an average Qb when theres franchise Qbs to be had

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Big fan of Tyler too, and you won't need to spend a top 100 pick on him either

You mean top 10 pick?  I would be shocked if he made it to our 3rd round pick but I think he will go in the 2nd.  Especially after the way he looked in the Aurburn game.  No way does he not get drafted in the first 100 picks

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Nah meant top 100. Insanely deep WR class will push him down. He didn't make the Senior Bowl because the NFL isn't as high on him as his talent suggests, Shrine Bowl WRs go a lot lower

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You mean top 10 pick?  I would be shocked if he made it to our 3rd round pick but I think he will go in the 2nd.  Especially after the way he looked in the Aurburn game.  No way does he not get drafted in the first 100 picks

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Nah meant top 100. Insanely deep WR class will push him down. He didn't make the Senior Bowl because the NFL isn't as high on him as his talent suggests, Shrine Bowl WRs go a lot lower

The WR class is deep but hes one of the best.  I dont care if he made the SB or not, he will definitely go in the top 100.  He wont make it to the 4th round.

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Hes done enough to give him a chance for 2020 and if he isnt the guy, you draft one in 2021.  Still not sure what a QB has to do in his rookie year in order for you to give a guy a shot in his 2nd year.  Hell this team wasnt even built for Minshew and he led all rookies in most of the important categories.  QB is the most important position but none of the top 5 passers in the league this year made the playoffs. You need a team to win and this team has a bunch of holes. Use those 1st round picks to bring in some building blocks, a few great players to try and help the QB that just won about half of the rookie of the weeks and went 6-6 with this poor oline, coaching, and TE's.  ( should of had a winning record if it wasnt for LF not getting the 2 point conv.)

I’m fine with heading into next year with Minshew but passing up potential franchise QBs (again I only see Tua as one at pick 9) because you may have something in Minshew is a mistake. It’s like drafting Leftwitch and then passing on Ben.

The Cardinals took Rosen and then said “nah. We aren’t complacent. Lets go take Murray”.

Minshew has earned the right to come back in 2020 but to me, we aren’t so set that we should pass up elite QB talent if it’s there. 

Right now they don’t have a backup plan if Minshew doesn’t plan out other than “Hey. We will just go get one in 2021” which is such a Jaguars thing to do. “There’s always next year”

If Tua lasts until pick 9 it's because his hip injury is still considered career-threatening.

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Nah meant top 100. Insanely deep WR class will push him down. He didn't make the Senior Bowl because the NFL isn't as high on him as his talent suggests, Shrine Bowl WRs go a lot lower

The WR class is deep but hes one of the best.  I dont care if he made the SB or not, he will definitely go in the top 100.  He wont make it to the 4th round.

He's in my top 12 for now, around 10th. I don't care if you care, i'm just telling you the Bowl rosters are made for NFL teams. For instance how many Shrine Bowl WRs in the past decade have been drafted higher than the 4th?

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Draft offense this go around as long as not extreme disparity in the BAP. Give minshew a true chance to establish himself as the future.

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I’m fine with heading into next year with Minshew but passing up potential franchise QBs (again I only see Tua as one at pick 9) because you may have something in Minshew is a mistake. It’s like drafting Leftwitch and then passing on Ben.

The Cardinals took Rosen and then said “nah. We aren’t complacent. Lets go take Murray”.

Minshew has earned the right to come back in 2020 but to me, we aren’t so set that we should pass up elite QB talent if it’s there. 

Right now they don’t have a backup plan if Minshew doesn’t plan out other than “Hey. We will just go get one in 2021” which is such a Jaguars thing to do. “There’s always next year”

If Tua lasts until pick 9 it's because his hip injury is still considered career-threatening.

This is exactly right.

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The WR class is deep but hes one of the best.  I dont care if he made the SB or not, he will definitely go in the top 100.  He wont make it to the 4th round.

He's in my top 12 for now, around 10th. I don't care if you care, i'm just telling you the Bowl rosters are made for NFL teams. For instance how many Shrine Bowl WRs in the past decade have been drafted higher than the 4th?

Im glad he's in your top 12.  Hes gonna be one of the best WRs in this class and he wont make it to the 4th round.  The tape speaks for itself and after he dominated Auburn and the OBJ like catch will only help his stock.

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One thing is certain, there is no way I would draft a WR in the 1st 2 rounds. Its almost certain you will be able to get a really good WR in the 3rd and probably the 4th as well.

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Check it out. Sports Illustrated didn't even have him listed as an OROY.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/01/01/nfl-aw...f-the-year

And sports illustrated is junk...lol

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One thing is certain, there is no way I would draft a WR in the 1st 2 rounds. Its almost certain you will be able to get a really good WR in the 3rd and probably the 4th as well.

Depends. If Tee Higgins is there in RD2 I am taking him.

Outside of him though I do agree with you. Sims, Pittman and Golden-Gandy are good targets in RD3 - RD4.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

One thing is certain, there is no way I would draft a WR in the 1st 2 rounds.  Its almost certain you will be able to get a really good WR in the 3rd and probably the 4th as well.

I have to admit that I don't know much about college receivers, so you may be right. If there is someone you think is an elite wideout, AKA Julio Jones-like ability, then you take them. I guess that just gets back to BAP in general though.

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One thing is certain, there is no way I would draft a WR in the 1st 2 rounds.  Its almost certain you will be able to get a really good WR in the 3rd and probably the 4th as well.

Depends. If Tee Higgins is there in RD2 I am taking him.

Outside of him though I do agree with you. Sims, Pittman and Golden-Gandy are good targets in RD3 - RD4.

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I wouldnt take Higgins in the 2nd. I know there will be some other great players there and I dont think hes that much better than Johnson, Jerfferson, or Smith and if I could get any of them in the 3rd that would be better value imo. I like the size of Higgins but I felt like he sould of done more these last coulple years with Lawrence at QB and the trash defenses he goes up against

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One thing is certain, there is no way I would draft a WR in the 1st 2 rounds.  Its almost certain you will be able to get a really good WR in the 3rd and probably the 4th as well.

I have to admit that I don't know much about college receivers, so you may be right. If there is someone you think is an elite wideout, AKA Julio Jones-like ability, then you take them. I guess that just gets back to BAP in general though.

CeeDee Lamb and Jerry Jeudy are pretty close prospect wise.

As much as we need help on defense this year. Those two receivers would be tempting.

Especially if you're convinced Minshew is the guy and Chark will continue to grow in year three.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

not me... I believe in Foles... Foles should easily be our starting QB..

I was one of the bigger advocates for Foles during last offseason.  But, C’mon man...

I was too....but not anymore....I just wish now we didn't sign Foles....it's a huge problem financially.....I believe Foles could work but you have to have the perfect situation.... perfect offense line....too many pieces need to align to have Foles work....but just imagine what GM could do with just a halfway decent line....GM in the long run is a way better QB then Foles....I just know it in my gut..

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not me... I believe in Foles... Foles should easily be our starting QB..

I was one of the bigger advocates for Foles during last offseason.  But, C’mon man...

I was too....but not anymore....I just wish now we didn't sign Foles....it's a huge problem financially.....I believe Foles could work but you have to have the perfect situation.... perfect offense line....too many pieces need to align to have Foles work....but just imagine what GM could do with just a halfway decent line....GM in the long run is a way better QB then Foles....I just know it in my gut..

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I have to admit that I don't know much about college receivers, so you may be right. If there is someone you think is an elite wideout, AKA Julio Jones-like ability, then you take them. I guess that just gets back to BAP in general though.

CeeDee Lamb and Jerry Jeudy are pretty close prospect wise.

As much as we need help on defense this year. Those two receivers would be tempting.

Especially if you're convinced Minshew is the guy and Chark will continue to grow in year three.

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I dont think there is that much of a gap between Lamb, Jeudy, and say the 8 best WR prospect. Whether that be Higgins, Johnson, Jefferson, or Smith

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This is for the dummies that want to draft another QB.

QB Gardner Minshew, Jacksonville Jaguars

The highest-graded rookie quarterback in the NFL wasn’t Kyler Murray, Dwayne Haskins or Daniel Jones; it was the sixth-round pick, Gardner Minshew. His 70.3 overall grade on the season ranked 20th among 32 qualifying quarterbacks. Despite some concerns over his arm strength coming into the NFL, Minshew was one of the top deep-ball passers in the league this season. His 129.0 passer rating on passes 20 or more yards downfield was the highest mark in the league, and his PFF grade on those throws trailed only Russell Wilson and Deshaun Watson.

Glad you’re 100% sold on him being the QB for the next 15 years.

Knowing how quickly things can change, I want to continue improving on the most important position in football. I don’t want to reach for a QB but if one is there at 9 or 20, I’m taking it.

Then go be a browns fan... they switch their QB every two years.... Sometimes you just need to stick with a quarterback for a few years to have it work.... very rarely does a QB work out in the first year of their careers.... sometimes it takes years....I could name many if you want..... starting with Brett favre....

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