Bouye, Ngakoue gone or going. Others reportedly on the trade block...

Maybe it’s time to re-think the way we see our draft strategy, forget pressing “needs” like OT and DT and just go for the best available player? Even if it’s a WR or a position we don’t think is a priority. 

Realistically, we’re probably going into a rebuild and not looking for players to make us competitive this season.

Or do we continue to draft for need and hope we can remain competitive with a roster trimmed of some of the bigger names?

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Bouye, Ngakoue gone or going. Others reportedly on the trade block...

Maybe it’s time to re-think the way we see our draft strategy, forget pressing “needs” like OT and DT and just go for the best available player? Even if it’s a WR or a position we don’t think is a priority. 

Realistically, we’re probably going into a rebuild and not looking for players to make us competitive this season.

Or do we continue to draft for need and hope we can remain competitive with a roster trimmed of some of the bigger names?

For me, yes, yes, a million times yes.

But to be honest I can't get my head around what is going on with the team... Are we rebuilding, but with the exact same guys that got us into the mess? Or are we still win-now and that Bouye money saved will be aggressively reinvested in FA? 

My guess is the latter.

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Trade Calais the old statesman leader and we tanking for Trevor Lawrence.

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You always draft for the best player available at positions you need. And you always factor in positional value and depth of class.

This year is no different, we just have more needs

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You always draft for the best player available at positions you need. And you always factor in positional value and depth of class.

This year is no different, we just have more needs

Of course teams always consider all of those factors when drafting. But you make it sound like there aren't differences between different teams, or differences between the same teams approach from year to year. There definitely are. Those factors are basically on a spectrum, where they land depends largely upon the expectations on that team.

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Lol we’re on rebuild mode with the same front office only the jaguars

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Yeah, if Yannick is truly gone, then F it. We’re done.
We don’t have a defense anymore

If Derrick Brown is gone, draft Lamb

Let’s build around our Offense. Offense wins championships now

Let’s see what Minshew can do with a lot of offensive talent

Lol Oklahoma receivers

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Bouye, Ngakoue gone or going. Others reportedly on the trade block...

Maybe it’s time to re-think the way we see our draft strategy, forget pressing “needs” like OT and DT and just go for the best available player? Even if it’s a WR or a position we don’t think is a priority. 

Realistically, we’re probably going into a rebuild and not looking for players to make us competitive this season.

Or do we continue to draft for need and hope we can remain competitive with a roster trimmed of some of the bigger names?

Every single team drafts "for need"  with nearly every pick.  There's just a sliding scale of priority for certain needs and decisions to be made about value.  The thought that teams would select the highest rated player available regardless of their roster is pure fantasy in early rounds of the draft. 

The Jags already have lots of freedom to select highly rated players almost regardless of need because they need so many positions to be upgraded.  There's no point in tossing out the baby with the bathwater when there are several viable strategies available for the Jags to utilize in the draft that will make them better at multiple spots. 

I wouldn't call this a rebuild, but when you need upgrades at 7 positions in order to be competitive, something it's pretty close to that. 

What happens in free agency will make much clearer a few different ways the Jags may prioritize needs in the draft. But you can safely bet they won't be eschewing need in the early rounds.

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I mean, if there's a need at every position, the two approaches kind of blend into one...

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The only thing this team needs to focus on is getting the QB position right. We will see if they have that focus draft/FA. Is Minshew the guy? Get him as much help as literally possible and find the hell out. If not move on 2021 get a new guy. Keep going until you get your guy, then start to build around him.

This team keeps dancing around the QB issue. FIX IT. Keep drafting defensive stars first couple rounds with no franchise QB and this team just will continue to be the worst team in the league the next decade as well.

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I mean, if there's a need at every position, the two approaches kind of blend into one...

It's genius!

If you literally have nobody, then every pick can be a perfect blend of need and value.

Or you go and draft a punter in the 3rd #becausejaguars.

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This team NEEDS an owner with a [BLEEP] spine and the balls to admit he's made a mistake more than once since 2013.

Does Caldwell have some kind of dirt on Khan? None of this [BLEEP] makes sense seven years later. The handling of information is poorly managed here as well.

Too much drama and BS in the MS for "lil old" Jacksonville. Between the player contracts and happiness issues. The fines. The NFLPA saying to steer clear from here. The reported firing of Marrone and then a squashing of that leak?

Seriously. W..T..F is going on inside that building? AEW antics and NFL politics don't mix. Not sure if it's Khan Sr. or Khan Jr. at this point running things behind the scenes.

But I am sure that this Franchise officially lacks true leadership and ownership. The Browns and Bengals are blushing in envy. We should be excited with the draft picks in place.

But it's hard to buy into a sandtrap that's been set in place since the team was sold. Unless we all get on our knees and kiss Khan's [BLEEP] and worship him for this 36 - 85 showing since he took over I fear we'll never earn his respect folks.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

You always draft for the best player available at positions you need. And you always factor in positional value and depth of class.

This year is no different, we just have more needs

To this I definitely agree. There's no other situation to which whe're in other than to draft needy no matter what the position is (On Defense). DT, LB, CB, DE (pass rusher, etc). This draft class should be defensively exaggerated in my opinion. All of the defectees reflects such a draft class.

Time Will Tell.

NH3...

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"AZANE"

You always draft for the best player available at positions you need. And you always factor in positional value and depth of class.

This year is no different, we just have more needs

So WR in the first round is a possibility this year?

I think that if you’re in rebuild and have a completely free hand then the answer has to be “yes” if you think he’s the BAP.

But if we’re still clinging to the idea we can be competitive with the roster we have left then the answer has to be “no”, because there is a more immediate need at DT, OT and LB (because they can help you win games now).

So, to me, there’s a very clear difference.

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You always draft for the best player available at positions you need. And you always factor in positional value and depth of class.

This year is no different, we just have more needs

Of course teams always consider all of those factors when drafting. But you make it sound like there aren't differences between different teams, or differences between the same teams approach from year to year. There definitely are. Those factors are basically on a spectrum, where they land depends largely upon the expectations on that team.

I never said that teams don't value different things. Just that teams always draft some combination of need and best player available. 

It's fairly simply

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You always draft for the best player available at positions you need. And you always factor in positional value and depth of class.

This year is no different, we just have more needs

So WR in the first round is a possibility this year?

I think that if you’re in rebuild and have a completely free hand then the answer has to be “yes” if you think he’s the BAP.

But if we’re still clinging to the idea we can be competitive with the roster we have left then the answer has to be “no”, because there is a more immediate need at DT, OT and LB (because they can help you win games now).

So, to me, there’s a very clear difference.

Of course it's a possibility. Doesn't mean i think it's best best combination of need/positional value/depth of class. 

You need to remember that they aren't taking players for how much they help the team as rookies, rookies are for the most part not impact players at any position. They're taking players who will be impact players year 2/3/4 , even GMs in Caldwell's situation. 

So no there isn't really a difference at all. Just more positions that credibly fit into the "position of need" , than most years

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So WR in the first round is a possibility this year?

I think that if you’re in rebuild and have a completely free hand then the answer has to be “yes” if you think he’s the BAP.

But if we’re still clinging to the idea we can be competitive with the roster we have left then the answer has to be “no”, because there is a more immediate need at DT, OT and LB (because they can help you win games now).

So, to me, there’s a very clear difference.

Of course it's a possibility. Doesn't mean i think it's best best combination of need/positional value/depth of class. 

You need to remember that they aren't taking players for how much they help the team as rookies, rookies are for the most part not impact players at any position. They're taking players who will be impact players year 2/3/4 , even GMs in Caldwell's situation. 

So no there isn't really a difference at all. Just more positions that credibly fit into the "position of need" , than most years

Sounds to me like you're favouring the "we're still drafting for need" argument.

So as a hypothetical - you have a choice of two players...

Player A is at a position of need
Player B is a lesser need, but a slightly higher graded player

Which one do you pick?

With things the way they are now, I think I would probably go for the best player available (player B), regardless of whether there are bigger needs elsewhere.

You would pick player A?

That's the distinction for me, although I accept it's always a sliding scale.

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Of course it's a possibility. Doesn't mean i think it's best best combination of need/positional value/depth of class. 

You need to remember that they aren't taking players for how much they help the team as rookies, rookies are for the most part not impact players at any position. They're taking players who will be impact players year 2/3/4 , even GMs in Caldwell's situation. 

So no there isn't really a difference at all. Just more positions that credibly fit into the "position of need" , than most years

Sounds to me like you're favouring the "we're still drafting for need" argument.

So as a hypothetical - you have a choice of two players...

Player A is at a position of need
Player B is a lesser need, but a slightly higher graded player

Which one do you pick?

With things the way they are now, I think I would probably go for the best player available (player B), regardless of whether there are bigger needs elsewhere.

You would pick player A?

That's the distinction for me, although I accept it's always a sliding scale.

JackCity hasnt been able to grasp the need vs BAP.  But as Bruce Arians once said, if you draft need over BAP is when you get fired

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Sounds to me like you're favouring the "we're still drafting for need" argument.

So as a hypothetical - you have a choice of two players...

Player A is at a position of need
Player B is a lesser need, but a slightly higher graded player

Which one do you pick?

With things the way they are now, I think I would probably go for the best player available (player B), regardless of whether there are bigger needs elsewhere.

You would pick player A?

That's the distinction for me, although I accept it's always a sliding scale.

JackCity hasnt been able to grasp the need vs BAP.  But as Bruce Arians once said, if you draft need over BAP is when you get fired

To be fair, I think he also accepts it's a sliding scale and there's always going to be a bit of both.

I just think we're moving further down the path to drafting on talent rather than need - because realistically we're probably not looking to "win now" for the time being.

(Of course the front office may feel differently about that, with their jobs on the line!)

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JackCity hasnt been able to grasp the need vs BAP.  But as Bruce Arians once said, if you draft need over BAP is when you get fired

To be fair, I think he also accepts it's a sliding scale and there's always going to be a bit of both.

I just think we're moving further down the path to drafting on talent rather than need - because realistically we're probably not looking to "win now" for the time being.

(Of course the front office may feel differently about that, with their jobs on the line!)

My main worry is that they are gonna be super focussed on filling needs in the draft and go into it with a quota of positions they need to fill in the first few rounds.

They will definitely be looking for prospects who can offer some immediate help, no more looking for Taven Bryan or Quincy Williams developmental projects.

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