Being cheap in competitive sports is a horrible business model. Especially when you're a [BLEEP] billionaire in a small market that has shown time after time that winning puts [BLEEP] in seats on Sunday's. A couple hundred thousand or millions of dollars is a fart in the wind to this guy. 

He had enough money to lend to Jr. to get that AEW program running. And he had enough money to buy that soccer team overseas as well. This guy is not frugal. He's ambitious. And he's up to no good with our city and this market.

But don't you know what the city will be like without an NFL Team?

Probably not much of a change overall but the Florida v Georgia game will be next to go.  Still have beaches and outdoors and good overall environment.

I honestly can't say I would know. I was born in 1988. By the time I was actually into sports we had our team established when I was seven years old. My mom was born in St. Augustine and my Grandfather and her pretty much grew up as Miami Dolphins fans and always had stories about Marino. My uncle ended up liking the Vikings. 

On my father's side they moved here in the late 1970's and he was always a Steelers fan despite being born a stone's throw away from Arrowhead Stadium. Military brat though. My grandfather on my dad's side was a Redskins fan. He despised John Elway for some reason. Maybe because of the whole Baltimore Colts ordeal. All of my dad's side of the family are Georgia Bulldogs fans though. 

It's weird. I grew up on Georgia football and Jacksonville football though. It's all I know. I love fishing though. That will never change as long as I am breathing and capable of getting out on the water. If we lose the team we lose it. Of course I'll be sad about it. Especially with my son on the way. Was looking forward to subjecting him to this visual abuse every Sunday. 

But it is what it is. It's out of our hands and out of our control.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Are you like, literate?  You did see that it was both, right?

For [BLEEP]'s sake, is there even anything you like about this team, or do you just come here to [BLEEP]?

But a lot of you act like Coughlin was the worst thing that could have happened here... he wasn't, he made some mistakes yeah, but you people blame him for pretty much everything. I also don't like the disrespect against him when our best years have been with him.

Why do you care if I like anything? my posts bother you so much put me on ignore if you are this fragile.

Coughlin left us the same way he left us all those years back. We all appreciate what he did for the team back then, but he deserves a lot of the blame for where the team is now. So do the players. It goes both ways. I for one, feel like if we didn't bring TC in, we would still have had the year we had in 2017 and possibly a better 2018. He made decisions that have hurt our continued success and we are now having to start another rebuild. And whether we like it or not, whether we think it's soft or not, running the team like it's the military and  having the stigma of treating players like crap with the NFLPA saying for players not to come here is very bad. TC deserves as much blame as Jalen and Telvin do for stirring up the locker room and team comradery. If you want to take that as disrespect to him, that's on you. I'm just placing the proper accountability to those who have put our team in the position it is in and not kissing someone's rear end because of those long lost past great years...…..

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Let's Get Em!!!! Go Jags!

But a lot of you act like Coughlin was the worst thing that could have happened here... he wasn't, he made some mistakes yeah, but you people blame him for pretty much everything. I also don't like the disrespect against him when our best years have been with him.

Why do you care if I like anything? my posts bother you so much put me on ignore if you are this fragile.

Coughlin left us the same way he left us all those years back. We all appreciate what he did for the team back then, but he deserves a lot of the blame for where the team is now. So do the players. It goes both ways. I for one, feel like if we didn't bring TC in, we would still have had the year we had in 2017 and possibly a better 2018. He made decisions that have hurt our continued success and we are now having to start another rebuild. And whether we like it or not, whether we think it's soft or not, running the team like it's the military and  having the stigma of treating players like crap with the NFLPA saying for players not to come here is very bad. TC deserves as much blame as Jalen and Telvin do for stirring up the locker room and team comradery. If you want to take that as disrespect to him, that's on you. I'm just placing the proper accountability to those who have put our team in the position it is in and not kissing someone's rear end because of those long lost past great years...…..

Coughlin was, once again, brought here BECAUSE Caldwell had failed during his first 5 years here. He deserves some of the blame for his brief role. But ultimately the brunt of this mess falls squarely on the shoulders of Mr. Khan for not getting this [BLEEP] corrected to begin with. 

Typically when your General Manager fails to generate any success at any capacity whether short term or long term? They're shown the door. Especially after the head coach fails and his Quarterback fails. And this is exactly what happened in his case. And yet he was given a free pass when Coughlin was given a role he didn't need to have to begin with. 

Coughlin was never known for personnel decisions nor cap management. Sure, he had an eye for talent at certain positions. Mostly the WR position if we're being honest. And he will always be known as a great football coach despite anyone's views on his "toughness" on players. 

My problem is that people keep saying that 2017 was only three years ago. And that this collapse was unforeseen. And I disagree with that in it's entirety because if you really dissect and look deeper into that season they had it on easy street for the most part. And they still had to pull gimmicks out on Special Teams to barely scrounge up 10 wins to help the offense out. 

As far as Coughlin Vs. The Players and vise versa? There were typically grumblings out of that locker room every year before he arrived in 2017 regarding how players were being used or not used on defense. This carried on throughout 2016, 2017 & 2018. Ramsey always had a mouth and diva personality. Smith went off the deep end. It's not uncommon in the NFL but something is clearly not right with him. 

Fowler Jr. always had issues on and off the field. His maturity was a concern and there's a reason he's not here anymore. And that reason was beyond fair and within reason for him to be shipped off. What really hurt this team was poor management of the veterans they had signed and failing to replace their presence on the football field with adequate talent. 

You can't run off Malik Jackson and "hope" Taven Bryan is the guy. You can't run off guys like Teshaun Gipson and Brandon Church and "hope" Jerod Wilson and Ronnie Harrison are the guys. You can't see a guy like Paul Poszlusny retire and then "hope" a guy like Myles Jack with limited experience at ILB and also relatively young in his career step inside after playing outside and thrive as the general of the defense. 

None of these moves have panned out. But the primary catalyst is and forever will be Dave [BLEEP] Caldwell failing to get his job done to begin with and having forced Khan to make some type of move to improve the team. Simple and plain as that.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Another great Khan quote. This was the day we announced Coughlin. I like Coughlin and thought it was a great move at the time but it went out of control fast.

"I have confidence that one day soon we'll look back on [Monday's] news as the moment that inspired and ultimately established the Jacksonville Jaguars as a football team that wins, week to week and season to season," Khan said in a statement. "The results will speak for themselves in time, but with Tom coming in to join Dave and Doug, there is no question the Jacksonville Jaguars are a stronger football team today."

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Team move and guess what?? Life will carry on.

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Team move and guess what?? Life will carry on.

There's a lot of messed up stuff that can happen and life will carry on. Doesn't mean it's great.

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I'm condescending. That means I talk down to you. 
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Another great Khan quote. This was the day we announced Coughlin. I like Coughlin and thought it was a great move at the time but it went out of control fast.

"I have confidence that one day soon we'll look back on [Monday's] news as the moment that inspired and ultimately established the Jacksonville Jaguars as a football team that wins, week to week and season to season," Khan said in a statement. "The results will speak for themselves in time, but with Tom coming in to join Dave and Doug, there is no question the Jacksonville Jaguars are a stronger football team today."

I immediately raised caution when TC was hired even if I eventually ended up optimistic he’d bring some discipline to an undisciplined team. 

All of the [BLEEP] I was initially concerned about with him came to fruition.
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Coughlin left us the same way he left us all those years back. We all appreciate what he did for the team back then, but he deserves a lot of the blame for where the team is now. So do the players. It goes both ways. I for one, feel like if we didn't bring TC in, we would still have had the year we had in 2017 and possibly a better 2018. He made decisions that have hurt our continued success and we are now having to start another rebuild. And whether we like it or not, whether we think it's soft or not, running the team like it's the military and  having the stigma of treating players like crap with the NFLPA saying for players not to come here is very bad. TC deserves as much blame as Jalen and Telvin do for stirring up the locker room and team comradery. If you want to take that as disrespect to him, that's on you. I'm just placing the proper accountability to those who have put our team in the position it is in and not kissing someone's rear end because of those long lost past great years...…..

Coughlin was, once again, brought here BECAUSE Caldwell had failed during his first 5 years here. He deserves some of the blame for his brief role. But ultimately the brunt of this mess falls squarely on the shoulders of Mr. Khan for not getting this [BLEEP] corrected to begin with. 

Typically when your General Manager fails to generate any success at any capacity whether short term or long term? They're shown the door. Especially after the head coach fails and his Quarterback fails. And this is exactly what happened in his case. And yet he was given a free pass when Coughlin was given a role he didn't need to have to begin with. 

Coughlin was never known for personnel decisions nor cap management. Sure, he had an eye for talent at certain positions. Mostly the WR position if we're being honest. And he will always be known as a great football coach despite anyone's views on his "toughness" on players. 

My problem is that people keep saying that 2017 was only three years ago. And that this collapse was unforeseen. And I disagree with that in it's entirety because if you really dissect and look deeper into that season they had it on easy street for the most part. And they still had to pull gimmicks out on Special Teams to barely scrounge up 10 wins to help the offense out. 

As far as Coughlin Vs. The Players and vise versa? There were typically grumblings out of that locker room every year before he arrived in 2017 regarding how players were being used or not used on defense. This carried on throughout 2016, 2017 & 2018. Ramsey always had a mouth and diva personality. Smith went off the deep end. It's not uncommon in the NFL but something is clearly not right with him. 

Fowler Jr. always had issues on and off the field. His maturity was a concern and there's a reason he's not here anymore. And that reason was beyond fair and within reason for him to be shipped off. What really hurt this team was poor management of the veterans they had signed and failing to replace their presence on the football field with adequate talent. 

You can't run off Malik Jackson and "hope" Taven Bryan is the guy. You can't run off guys like Teshaun Gipson and Brandon Church and "hope" Jerod Wilson and Ronnie Harrison are the guys. You can't see a guy like Paul Poszlusny retire and then "hope" a guy like Myles Jack with limited experience at ILB and also relatively young in his career step inside after playing outside and thrive as the general of the defense. 

None of these moves have panned out. But the primary catalyst is and forever will be Dave [BLEEP] Caldwell failing to get his job done to begin with and having forced Khan to make some type of move to improve the team. Simple and plain as that.

Cutting old expensive players who aren't performing anymore or having players retire of their own volition is good management, not bad. The problem with this team is and continues to be the lousy coaching. Jackson played how many more games once he left? Church is where? Gipson had an alright year, but his cap number was huge when they let him go. That's the nature of free agency, you replace the guys you signed two years ago with guys you drafted in the meantime. Sadly the drafting and coaching hire had Coughlin's arthritic fingers all over it and we ended up with good draftees who didn't want to stay and bad draftees we didn't need or who can't replace the guys they were supposed to replace.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Coughlin was, once again, brought here BECAUSE Caldwell had failed during his first 5 years here. He deserves some of the blame for his brief role. But ultimately the brunt of this mess falls squarely on the shoulders of Mr. Khan for not getting this [BLEEP] corrected to begin with. 

Typically when your General Manager fails to generate any success at any capacity whether short term or long term? They're shown the door. Especially after the head coach fails and his Quarterback fails. And this is exactly what happened in his case. And yet he was given a free pass when Coughlin was given a role he didn't need to have to begin with. 

Coughlin was never known for personnel decisions nor cap management. Sure, he had an eye for talent at certain positions. Mostly the WR position if we're being honest. And he will always be known as a great football coach despite anyone's views on his "toughness" on players. 

My problem is that people keep saying that 2017 was only three years ago. And that this collapse was unforeseen. And I disagree with that in it's entirety because if you really dissect and look deeper into that season they had it on easy street for the most part. And they still had to pull gimmicks out on Special Teams to barely scrounge up 10 wins to help the offense out. 

As far as Coughlin Vs. The Players and vise versa? There were typically grumblings out of that locker room every year before he arrived in 2017 regarding how players were being used or not used on defense. This carried on throughout 2016, 2017 & 2018. Ramsey always had a mouth and diva personality. Smith went off the deep end. It's not uncommon in the NFL but something is clearly not right with him. 

Fowler Jr. always had issues on and off the field. His maturity was a concern and there's a reason he's not here anymore. And that reason was beyond fair and within reason for him to be shipped off. What really hurt this team was poor management of the veterans they had signed and failing to replace their presence on the football field with adequate talent. 

You can't run off Malik Jackson and "hope" Taven Bryan is the guy. You can't run off guys like Teshaun Gipson and Brandon Church and "hope" Jerod Wilson and Ronnie Harrison are the guys. You can't see a guy like Paul Poszlusny retire and then "hope" a guy like Myles Jack with limited experience at ILB and also relatively young in his career step inside after playing outside and thrive as the general of the defense. 

None of these moves have panned out. But the primary catalyst is and forever will be Dave [BLEEP] Caldwell failing to get his job done to begin with and having forced Khan to make some type of move to improve the team. Simple and plain as that.

Cutting old expensive players who aren't performing anymore or having players retire of their own volition is good management, not bad. The problem with this team is and continues to be the lousy coaching. Jackson played how many more games once he left? Church is where? Gipson had an alright year, but his cap number was huge when they let him go. That's the nature of free agency, you replace the guys you signed two years ago with guys you drafted in the meantime. Sadly the drafting and coaching hire had Coughlin's arthritic fingers all over it and we ended up with good draftees who didn't want to stay and bad draftees we didn't need or who can't replace the guys they were supposed to replace.

Sooooooo we're just going to keep casually glossing over the fact that Coughlin was hired here in the first place because Caldwell had failed miserably at his job to begin with? 

Got it. It was allllllll Coughlin's fault. Getting rid of players while replacing them with inadequate talent is bad management. Maintaining coaches that failed in developing said talent is also bad management. This goes back to Bradley with Caldwell. And now with Marrone & Caldwell being given a pass with Khan's blessing. 

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Do you think that's true? I don't. I think Khan did a wise thing with the wrong guy. He talked about what he could do to help this football team win. I think the general sentiment was for the owner not to meddle with the day-to-day football operations, so he hired a guy that should have had all the qualifications and trusted him to appropriately supervise the coach and GM (since he lacked the acumen). Coughlin, unfortunately, did exactly what a controlling owner would do, which inhibit the growth and unity of the team.

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Do you think that's true? I don't. I think Khan did a wise thing with the wrong guy. He talked about what he could do to help this football team win. I think the general sentiment was for the owner not to meddle with the day-to-day football operations, so he hired a guy that should have had all the qualifications and trusted him to appropriately supervise the coach and GM (since he lacked the acumen). Coughlin, unfortunately, did exactly what a controlling owner would do, which inhibit the growth and unity of the team.

A General Manager IS that though. THAT's my point. If Caldwell did his job as a General Manager and properly added the right pieces to the roster and the right people to the coaching staff he wouldn't have had to have worried about Khan going to Coughlin to come in behind him and hope that he fixed the issues that were generated BECAUSE of Caldwell. 

That's the biggest problem right now with our team. Caldwell is a left over from Bradley. Marrone and Wash are all left over's from Bradley's era as well. You can't change the culture nor the identity here when you continue to hold onto left overs that have failed you over and over again. Something isn't adding up. 

Until we see a clean sweep of past regimes here I highly doubt anything will change. We've passed on opportunities to land better General Managers and Coaches while holding onto people like Caldwell and Bradley's left overs for nearly 7 - 8 years. That's really, really bad management.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Cutting old expensive players who aren't performing anymore or having players retire of their own volition is good management, not bad. The problem with this team is and continues to be the lousy coaching. Jackson played how many more games once he left? Church is where? Gipson had an alright year, but his cap number was huge when they let him go. That's the nature of free agency, you replace the guys you signed two years ago with guys you drafted in the meantime. Sadly the drafting and coaching hire had Coughlin's arthritic fingers all over it and we ended up with good draftees who didn't want to stay and bad draftees we didn't need or who can't replace the guys they were supposed to replace.

Sooooooo we're just going to keep casually glossing over the fact that Coughlin was hired here in the first place because Caldwell had failed miserably at his job to begin with? 

Got it. It was allllllll Coughlin's fault. Getting rid of players while replacing them with inadequate talent is bad management. Maintaining coaches that failed in developing said talent is also bad management. This goes back to Bradley with Caldwell. And now with Marrone & Caldwell being given a pass with Khan's blessing. 

Khan has lots of different investments he needs to manage. Coughlin was hired essentially to take over a lot of Khan's tasks in managing the team. He was not hired to take over either Caldwell's job or Marrone's job, although Coughlin inserted him self in both. 

Caldwell had a great draft in 2014 (even with the Bortles mistake) with 3 Pro Bowl caliber players in ARob, Linder, and Telvin, plus useful players in Lee and Colvin. The 2016 draft was another stellar draft by Caldwell. His 2015 draft wasn't very good, but it wasn't very good for a lot of teams. Fowler was not a bust, he just didn't work out for the Jags. I give Caldwell a full pass for 2013 since he did pick the consensus BAP at that slot in a weak draft with plenty of time for players to be ruined by the Gus culture and being stuck with Gene Smith's scouting department. Caldwell has his flaws like an inability to trade down when it would have been wise, but he doesn't reach for players rated far below the pick and seems to have a great feel for just how long he can wait before picking a player.

After January 2017 Coughlin gets a lot of the credit (Campbell) and blame (Fournette over a QB). I doubt Caldwell had much say in contract matters under Coughlin.

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

On my father's side they moved here in the late 1970's and he was always a Steelers fan despite being born a stone's throw away from Arrowhead Stadium. Military brat though. My grandfather on my dad's side was a Redskins fan. He despised John Elway for some reason. Maybe because of the whole Baltimore Colts ordeal. All of my dad's side of the family are Georgia Bulldogs fans though. 

It's weird. I grew up on Georgia football and Jacksonville football though. It's all I know. I love fishing though. That will never change as long as I am breathing and capable of getting out on the water. If we lose the team we lose it. Of course I'll be sad about it. Especially with my son on the way. Was looking forward to subjecting him to this visual abuse every Sunday. 

But it is what it is. It's out of our hands and out of our control.

I truly despise Elway.  I grew up in Baltmore (Towson).  Baltimoreans loved the Baldamer Coats (true pronunciation).  They also loved Brooksie and Frank.  They loved Wes Unseld, Earl Monroe, Gus Johnson, and Jack Marin; yes people the Baltimore Bullets played in the NBA.  To this day, Elway is hated, had he signed the horseshoes would still be in Baldamer.  Irsay traded him to Denver without speaking to the GM Joe Thomas, who had an signing agreement in place.  Irsay was a drunk, lied about his service wth the USMC (he never was a Marine), and stole his family's HVAC customers to earn his millions.  What a piece of [BLEEP].

Each March 29th our family shares an email or text commemorating that snowy, early morning departure of those Mayflower vans from Owings Mill (Colts HQ and training facility).  This was done clandestinely to avoid fan protests and media coverage.  So cowardly.  Mayor Shafer is also responsible for not acting qucku enough to declare eminent domain, which would have prevented the team from leaving.

I stopped watching the NFL on March 29, 1984.  Only began watching again when the Jags were awarded an expansion franchise.  The last ten years have been nearly unwatchable.  All I ask is for them to be competitive, which is another reason the Colts left, the fans stop coming because Irsay was not putting a quality product on the field.  Sound familiar?  Marty Domres, Bill Troup ,and Mike Pagel at QB perfectly illustrate this.  

[BLEEP] John Elway!

*Whenver the Indianapolis plays in Baltimore they are not listed as the Colts, but are listed as INDY.  The people of Baltimore have not forgotten.

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On my father's side they moved here in the late 1970's and he was always a Steelers fan despite being born a stone's throw away from Arrowhead Stadium. Military brat though. My grandfather on my dad's side was a Redskins fan. He despised John Elway for some reason. Maybe because of the whole Baltimore Colts ordeal. All of my dad's side of the family are Georgia Bulldogs fans though. 

It's weird. I grew up on Georgia football and Jacksonville football though. It's all I know. I love fishing though. That will never change as long as I am breathing and capable of getting out on the water. If we lose the team we lose it. Of course I'll be sad about it. Especially with my son on the way. Was looking forward to subjecting him to this visual abuse every Sunday. 

But it is what it is. It's out of our hands and out of our control.

I truly despise Elway.  I grew up in Baltmore (Towson).  Baltimoreans loved the Baldamer Coats (true pronunciation).  They also loved Brooksie and Frank.  They loved Wes Unseld, Earl Monroe, Gus Johnson, and Jack Marin; yes people the Baltimore Bullets played in the NBA.  To this day, Elway is hated, had he signed the horseshoes would still be in Baldamer.  Irsay traded him to Denver without speaking to the GM Joe Thomas, who had an signing agreement in place.  Irsay was a drunk, lied about his service wth the USMC (he never was a Marine), and stole his family's HVAC customers to earn his millions.  What a piece of [BLEEP].

Each March 29th our family shares an email or text commemorating that snowy, early morning departure of those Mayflower vans from Owings Mill (Colts HQ and training facility).  This was done clandestinely to avoid fan protests and media coverage.  So cowardly.  Mayor Shafer is also responsible for not acting qucku enough to declare eminent domain, which would have prevented the team from leaving.

I stopped watching the NFL on March 29, 1984.  Only began watching again when the Jags were awarded an expansion franchise.  The last ten years have been nearly unwatchable.  All I ask is for them to be competitive, which is another reason the Colts left, the fans stop coming because Irsay was not putting a quality product on the field.  Sound familiar?  Marty Domres, Bill Troup ,and Mike Pagel at QB perfectly illustrate this.  

[BLEEP] John Elway!

*Whenver the Indianapolis plays in Baltimore they are not listed as the Colts, but are listed as INDY.  The people of Baltimore have not forgotten.

Also a good reason to despise Tagliabue (and the NFL Hall of Fame for sneaking him in without a vote).

I grew up in Baltimore too.

The reason the Browns name stayed in Cleveland is because the Baltimore fans know that the loss of a name makes the loss of a team much worse. The NFL should keep the name "Raiders" in Oakland, and have that franchise get a Las Vegas name. (Gamblers, Card Sharks ...)

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

Another great Khan quote. This was the day we announced Coughlin. I like Coughlin and thought it was a great move at the time but it went out of control fast.

"I have confidence that one day soon we'll look back on [Monday's] news as the moment that inspired and ultimately established the Jacksonville Jaguars as a football team that wins, week to week and season to season," Khan said in a statement. "The results will speak for themselves in time, but with Tom coming in to join Dave and Doug, there is no question the Jacksonville Jaguars are a stronger football team today."

I immediately raised caution when TC was hired even if I eventually ended up optimistic he’d bring some discipline to an undisciplined team. 

All of the [BLEEP] I was initially concerned about with him came to fruition.
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I remember several people here having concern about the TC hire, including myself and Eric1 joining you.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

Do you think that's true? I don't. I think Khan did a wise thing with the wrong guy. He talked about what he could do to help this football team win. I think the general sentiment was for the owner not to meddle with the day-to-day football operations, so he hired a guy that should have had all the qualifications and trusted him to appropriately supervise the coach and GM (since he lacked the acumen). Coughlin, unfortunately, did exactly what a controlling owner would do, which inhibit the growth and unity of the team.

A General Manager IS that though. THAT's my point. If Caldwell did his job as a General Manager and properly added the right pieces to the roster and the right people to the coaching staff he wouldn't have had to have worried about Khan going to Coughlin to come in behind him and hope that he fixed the issues that were generated BECAUSE of Caldwell. 

That's the biggest problem right now with our team. Caldwell is a left over from Bradley. Marrone and Wash are all left over's from Bradley's era as well. You can't change the culture nor the identity here when you continue to hold onto left overs that have failed you over and over again. Something isn't adding up. 

Until we see a clean sweep of past regimes here I highly doubt anything will change. We've passed on opportunities to land better General Managers and Coaches while holding onto people like Caldwell and Bradley's left overs for nearly 7 - 8 years. That's really, really bad management.

They are not going to understand what you are saying but you are 1000% correct. Caldwell must have something on Shad or Shad just feels like he will use a different approach feeling he will give Dave time to [BLEEP] up and improve rather than just get rid of him after 3 to 4 years. The problem is, is that Caldwell keeps [BLEEP] up the time given, he has showed no improvement. I am starting believe the only reason for the 2017 season was because of Coughlin. Coughlin, just got to involved because he saw Dave not doing [BLEEP]. THE ANSWER IN SIMPLE GET RID OF DAVE CALDWELL and try someone else

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Sooooooo we're just going to keep casually glossing over the fact that Coughlin was hired here in the first place because Caldwell had failed miserably at his job to begin with? 

Got it. It was allllllll Coughlin's fault. Getting rid of players while replacing them with inadequate talent is bad management. Maintaining coaches that failed in developing said talent is also bad management. This goes back to Bradley with Caldwell. And now with Marrone & Caldwell being given a pass with Khan's blessing. 

Khan has lots of different investments he needs to manage. Coughlin was hired essentially to take over a lot of Khan's tasks in managing the team. He was not hired to take over either Caldwell's job or Marrone's job, although Coughlin inserted him self in both. 

Caldwell had a great draft in 2014 (even with the Bortles mistake) with 3 Pro Bowl caliber players in ARob, Linder, and Telvin, plus useful players in Lee and Colvin. The 2016 draft was another stellar draft by Caldwell. His 2015 draft wasn't very good, but it wasn't very good for a lot of teams. Fowler was not a bust, he just didn't work out for the Jags. I give Caldwell a full pass for 2013 since he did pick the consensus BAP at that slot in a weak draft with plenty of time for players to be ruined by the Gus culture and being stuck with Gene Smith's scouting department. Caldwell has his flaws like an inability to trade down when it would have been wise, but he doesn't reach for players rated far below the pick and seems to have a great feel for just how long he can wait before picking a player.

After January 2017 Coughlin gets a lot of the credit (Campbell) and blame (Fournette over a QB). I doubt Caldwell had much say in contract matters under Coughlin.

You are giving Caldwell to many passes. No matter how many players had negative outlooks, were divas, locker rooms cancers or whatever you guys want to call it. No matter how Coughlin [BLEEP] up the relationship with players Caldwell not doing his job caused it. In New England, they gave Josh Gordon, AB, Randy Moss, pretty much any players that had undeniable talent but may have had some issues, they tried but if it doesn't work out, they get rid of that person so it doesn't effect what is going on.

Shad is not showing DAVE that he has to be accountable by letting him know he will be fired if he does not win, therefore Dave is not holding anyone accountable, its like he keeps experimenting and guessing to see what might work, which is the reason we are getting the results.

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Another great Khan quote. This was the day we announced Coughlin. I like Coughlin and thought it was a great move at the time but it went out of control fast.

"I have confidence that one day soon we'll look back on [Monday's] news as the moment that inspired and ultimately established the Jacksonville Jaguars as a football team that wins, week to week and season to season," Khan said in a statement. "The results will speak for themselves in time, but with Tom coming in to join Dave and Doug, there is no question the Jacksonville Jaguars are a stronger football team today."

I immediately raised caution when TC was hired even if I eventually ended up optimistic he’d bring some discipline to an undisciplined team. 

All of the [BLEEP] I was initially concerned about with him came to fruition.
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I agree. There were plenty of people who were worried.

Ill be honest, i was over the moon when we bought him in, add some discipline, football knowledge and he seemed to have a loyalty to Jacksonville. Teach Caldwell the ropes to take over when he retired. I wanted the Coughlin that changed in New York to be a really good HC with players like Strahan giving him glowing praise.

What we got was Coughlin picking up from where he left off all those years back. 2017 seemed to blow a lot of smoke up a lot of peoples [BLEEP] and i cant believe what Coughlin did to this roster and team in such a short time. I dont pin it all on him, hes not calling the O and D plays, hes not getting the team ready for Sunday, they all had their fingers in this mess.

I cant lie, i adored Coughlin, his second coming has knocked him in my eyes. He comes across as the grumpy old neighbor complaining next doors party is too loud. No one likes that guy.

I was wrong

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Would like some examples of what Telvin was doing in the locker room that was setting a bad precedent

How about on the field, purposely getting 15 yard penalties by taunting the opponent when he ran back a fumble or INT?  He stated after the games that he would continue the taunting policy even if it resulted in giving the opponent field position on the 40 after the ensuing kickoff.  Who cares about the team, he wants to taunt when he makes a play and nobody's going to tell him different.  It's cancerous.

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Would like some examples of what Telvin was doing in the locker room that was setting a bad precedent

How about on the field, purposely getting 15 yard penalties by taunting the opponent when he ran back a fumble or INT?  He stated after the games that he would continue the taunting policy even if it resulted in giving the opponent field position on the 40 after the ensuing kickoff.  Who cares about the team, he wants to taunt when he makes a play and nobody's going to tell him different.  It's cancerous.

Lol you must not be watching the NFL then.

They literally have choreographed dances after they score.... which is taunting but they just don’t call it. Telvin had issues no doubt but it was in the locker room and not on the field.

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