The OP's point is that he's sick of all the losing. I find it difficult to disagree. We've been one of the worst franchises on the field in the league for the past dozen years or so and Khan's admonishment that the fans' support here makes it necessary to move games to London is disingenuous. I suppose you can be a fan and be hunk-dory with losing but that's not how most people would define a passionate fan base.

I respectfully disagree.  Especially the vast majority of paragraph #2.

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The OP's point is that he's sick of all the losing. I find it difficult to disagree. We've been one of the worst franchises on the field in the league for the past dozen years or so and Khan's admonishment that the fans' support here makes it necessary to move games to London is disingenuous. I suppose you can be a fan and be hunk-dory with losing but that's not how most people would define a passionate fan base.

I respectfully disagree.  Especially the vast majority of paragraph #2.

Well the OP literally said he's "sick of all the losing" so not sure what you disagree with. And while the OP doesn't voice it very diplomatically, I don't know why you disagree that Shad's moved games to London to increase local revenues. I mean, they've literally said that's what they're doing.

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I respectfully disagree.  Especially the vast majority of paragraph #2.

Well the OP literally said he's "sick of all the losing" so not sure what you disagree with. And while the OP doesn't voice it very diplomatically, I don't know why you disagree that Shad's moved games to London to increase local revenues. I mean, they've literally said that's what they're doing.

Whether he states so 'diplomatically' or not.  His 'facts' in his second paragraph are askew.  

Sounds more of a [BLEEP] session regarding the owner than anything else.  But you have your opinion and I have mine.

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Buwwwaaaaa!!! Damn this steak tastes bad. I guess I'll continue to eat it though. I'm just going to cry like a [BLEEP] the whole time I'm stuffing my face with it. Oh yeah, and that man who raised the beef? He is a con artist who really wants to sell fish and chips.

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Buwwwaaaaa!!!  Damn this steak tastes bad. I guess I'll continue to eat it though. I'm just going to cry like a [BLEEP] the whole time I'm stuffing my face with it. Oh yeah, and that man who raised the beef? He is a con artist who really wants to sell fish and chips.

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Pretty much this ^

I'm not mad at fans who are fed up with the losses. I get it.  I just think it's a universal thing that happens to longterm fans everywhere. It's part of being a fan. You wade through the bad times as best you can.  

The whole griping about the owner's decisions has already been hashed out beyond ad nauseum in other threads, so I don't see the need for yet another thread on that stuff. 

The timing of such a rant is also strange with the draft right around the corner and four early picks to look forward to. 
Anyway, rage on, unhappy fans. I'll be over here just hoping we actually have a 2020 season to complain about and I can go back to work soon.

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Buwwwaaaaa!!!  Damn this steak tastes bad. I guess I'll continue to eat it though. I'm just going to cry like a [BLEEP] the whole time I'm stuffing my face with it. Oh yeah, and that man who raised the beef? He is a con artist who really wants to sell fish and chips.

LOL
Pretty much this ^

I'm not mad at fans who are fed up with the losses. I get it.  I just think it's a universal thing that happens to longterm fans everywhere. It's part of being a fan. You wade through the bad times as best you can.  

The whole griping about the owner's decisions has already been hashed out beyond ad nauseum in other threads, so I don't see the need for yet another thread on that stuff. 

The timing of such a rant is also strange with the draft right around the corner and four early picks to look forward to. 
Anyway, rage on, unhappy fans. I'll be over here just hoping we actually have a 2020 season to complain about and I can go back to work soon.

Passionate fans *should* be mad about the ineptitude of this franchise over the long term. Being a passionate fan myself, the laissez faire attitude towards losing has always puzzled me, not that it should radically impact peoples' lives but it seems like if you don't get mad about losing, you shouldn't be happy about winning either. What's the point of following a sports team otherwise? Unless I guess, it's just to watch individual players or tabulate fantasy football stats. To each their own.

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LOL
Pretty much this ^

I'm not mad at fans who are fed up with the losses. I get it.  I just think it's a universal thing that happens to longterm fans everywhere. It's part of being a fan. You wade through the bad times as best you can.  

The whole griping about the owner's decisions has already been hashed out beyond ad nauseum in other threads, so I don't see the need for yet another thread on that stuff. 

The timing of such a rant is also strange with the draft right around the corner and four early picks to look forward to. 
Anyway, rage on, unhappy fans. I'll be over here just hoping we actually have a 2020 season to complain about and I can go back to work soon.

Passionate fans *should* be mad about the ineptitude of this franchise over the long term. Being a passionate fan myself, the laissez faire attitude towards losing has always puzzled me, not that it should radically impact peoples' lives but it seems like if you don't get mad about losing, you shouldn't be happy about winning either. What's the point of following a sports team otherwise? Unless I guess, it's just to watch individual players or tabulate fantasy football stats. To each their own.

I don't mean to present a laissez faire attitude about it. 

As I've expressed in countless posts/threads:

 - I am very off put by Khan's insistence to increase revenue by moving a second game and it reeks of greed to my olfactory sense. 
 
 - I fully expected and supported a reboot in the front office and coaching staff this offseason even if I don't "hate" Caldwell as many fans do.  

 - I continue to be mystified by the moves made along the O-Line and the general lack of haste to improve its performance via player acquisition and coach placement.  I know moves have been made, but without the necessary urgency IMO. 

 - I feel the organization turned a blind eye to the TE position during multiple offseasons and the moves that have been made have had unfortunate endings. *fingers crossed on Oliver*

 -  The reliance on #27 by multiple coordinators has been largely a failure as his effectiveness could be better fulfilled by having a c.o.p. compliment that presents a variance in challenge to opposing defenses. We saw 10 minutes of it with Grant and somehow this entire organization never felt a need to return to a winning formula there. 

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I've got my fair share of gripes and complaints.
 I simply choose to sit back and see how many of those are going to be addressed between now and September rather than ranting about how unhappy I am.

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Passionate fans *should* be mad about the ineptitude of this franchise over the long term. Being a passionate fan myself, the laissez faire attitude towards losing has always puzzled me, not that it should radically impact peoples' lives but it seems like if you don't get mad about losing, you shouldn't be happy about winning either. What's the point of following a sports team otherwise? Unless I guess, it's just to watch individual players or tabulate fantasy football stats. To each their own.

I don't mean to present a laissez faire attitude about it. 

As I've expressed in countless posts/threads:

 - I am very off put by Khan's insistence to increase revenue by moving a second game and it reeks of greed to my olfactory sense. 
 
 - I fully expected and supported a reboot in the front office and coaching staff this offseason even if I don't "hate" Caldwell as many fans do.  

 - I continue to be mystified by the moves made along the O-Line and the general lack of haste to improve its performance via player acquisition and coach placement.  I know moves have been made, but without the necessary urgency IMO. 

 - I feel the organization turned a blind eye to the TE position during multiple offseasons and the moves that have been made have had unfortunate endings. *fingers crossed on Oliver*

 -  The reliance on #27 by multiple coordinators has been largely a failure as his effectiveness could be better fulfilled by having a c.o.p. compliment that presents a variance in challenge to opposing defenses. We saw 10 minutes of it with Grant and somehow this entire organization never felt a need to return to a winning formula there. 

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I've got my fair share of gripes and complaints.
 I simply choose to sit back and see how many of those are going to be addressed between now and September rather than ranting about how unhappy I am.

Yeah I hear ya. When I said "you" before, I just mean it generally towards the Jaguar fans who don't seem very bothered by it and tell the mad fans to just get over it. I continue to hold out hopes that *this* year will be the year things really get turned around. :-) But I agree with most of your concerns and have them too.

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Passionate fans *should* be mad about the ineptitude of this franchise over the long term. Being a passionate fan myself, the laissez faire attitude towards losing has always puzzled me, not that it should radically impact peoples' lives but it seems like if you don't get mad about losing, you shouldn't be happy about winning either. What's the point of following a sports team otherwise? Unless I guess, it's just to watch individual players or tabulate fantasy football stats. To each their own.

I don't mean to present a laissez faire attitude about it. 

As I've expressed in countless posts/threads:

 - I am very off put by Khan's insistence to increase revenue by moving a second game and it reeks of greed to my olfactory sense. 
 
 - I fully expected and supported a reboot in the front office and coaching staff this offseason even if I don't "hate" Caldwell as many fans do.  

 - I continue to be mystified by the moves made along the O-Line and the general lack of haste to improve its performance via player acquisition and coach placement.  I know moves have been made, but without the necessary urgency IMO. 

 - I feel the organization turned a blind eye to the TE position during multiple offseasons and the moves that have been made have had unfortunate endings. *fingers crossed on Oliver*

 -  The reliance on #27 by multiple coordinators has been largely a failure as his effectiveness could be better fulfilled by having a c.o.p. compliment that presents a variance in challenge to opposing defenses. We saw 10 minutes of it with Grant and somehow this entire organization never felt a need to return to a winning formula there. 

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I've got my fair share of gripes and complaints.
 I simply choose to sit back and see how many of those are going to be addressed between now and September rather than ranting about how unhappy I am.

The one thing the Jags haven't had is a lack of urgency on player acquisition on the OL. 

Caldwell's very first draft pick was a LT, in spite of having Monroe at the time who was arguably the best player on the team the year before (some might say Poz).

The Jags traded up in the second round when they picked both Robinson and Taylor. Both players were listed much higher in every pre-draft mock I saw, frequently to the Jags as a 1st round pick expecting the Jags to fill the OL need.

Cann and Linder were both 3rd round picks, which is high for a guard. Caldwell even traded up to get Linder.

The Jags also signed Norwell as a free agent, one of the highest rated free agents in that class. They also signed former Pro Bowl guard Beadles, signed Steeler LT starter Beachum to replace Joeckel after he failed, and traded for LT Brandon Albert. They made a big money offer to Pro Bowl center Alex Mack, which the Browns matched (to their regret).

Of course the results have been disappointing. Whether that's due to coaching or the players just being overrated when they were acquired is debatable. I tend to blame coaching because Cann's best season was his rookie year, same with Robinson, and maybe Linder too. When every player on the OL with more than one year as a Jag has gotten worse with time it seems obvious to me that it's a coaching/development failure, not a player selection failure.

But even if you blame the player selection, you can't say the Jags didn't prioritize the OL.

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

I don't mean to present a laissez faire attitude about it. 

As I've expressed in countless posts/threads:

 - I am very off put by Khan's insistence to increase revenue by moving a second game and it reeks of greed to my olfactory sense. 
 
 - I fully expected and supported a reboot in the front office and coaching staff this offseason even if I don't "hate" Caldwell as many fans do.  

 - I continue to be mystified by the moves made along the O-Line and the general lack of haste to improve its performance via player acquisition and coach placement.  I know moves have been made, but without the necessary urgency IMO. 

 - I feel the organization turned a blind eye to the TE position during multiple offseasons and the moves that have been made have had unfortunate endings. *fingers crossed on Oliver*

 -  The reliance on #27 by multiple coordinators has been largely a failure as his effectiveness could be better fulfilled by having a c.o.p. compliment that presents a variance in challenge to opposing defenses. We saw 10 minutes of it with Grant and somehow this entire organization never felt a need to return to a winning formula there. 

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I've got my fair share of gripes and complaints.
 I simply choose to sit back and see how many of those are going to be addressed between now and September rather than ranting about how unhappy I am.

The one thing the Jags haven't had is a lack of urgency on player acquisition on the OL. 

Caldwell's very first draft pick was a LT, in spite of having Monroe at the time who was arguably the best player on the team the year before (some might say Poz).

The Jags traded up in the second round when they picked both Robinson and Taylor. Both players were listed much higher in every pre-draft mock I saw, frequently to the Jags as a 1st round pick expecting the Jags to fill the OL need.

Cann and Linder were both 3rd round picks, which is high for a guard. Caldwell even traded up to get Linder.

The Jags also signed Norwell as a free agent, one of the highest rated free agents in that class. They also signed former Pro Bowl guard Beadles, signed Steeler LT starter Beachum to replace Joeckel after he failed, and traded for LT Brandon Albert. They made a big money offer to Pro Bowl center Alex Mack, which the Browns matched (to their regret).

Of course the results have been disappointing. Whether that's due to coaching or the players just being overrated when they were acquired is debatable. I tend to blame coaching because Cann's best season was his rookie year, same with Robinson, and maybe Linder too. When every player on the OL with more than one year as a Jag has gotten worse with time it seems obvious to me that it's a coaching/development failure, not a player selection failure.

But even if you blame the player selection, you can't say the Jags didn't prioritize the OL.

We are in complete agreement, and I have made similar arguments before (though I omitted the part about trading up for Linder).

Looking back over the last ten years, I can't fault the Jaguars too too much over not taking OL in the first round.

2010, the team took Tyson Alualu at 10 over Anthony Davis (#11), Mike Iupati at 17, Maurkice Pouncey at 18, and Bryan Bulaga at 23-I won't even BEGIN to try to defend this.  I did not like the Alualu pick then and like it even less now.

2011 was the Gabbert draft.  Gabbert wound up being a horrible bust without question, but at the time, the consensus was that he was a first round pick and the team needed a franchise QB.  We took him 10th over Mike Pouncey at 15, Nate Solder at 17,  Anthony Castonzo at 22, James Carpenter at 25, Gabe Carimi at 29, and Derrick Sherrod at 31. 

Justin Blackmon was our first rounder in 2012.  From a talent perspective, he was absolutely worth a top five pick.  In fact we traded up from seven to get him.  Only 3 offensive linemen were taken in the first round after Blackmon, none of whom were taken before 23 (Reilly Reiff), 24 Dave DeCastro, and Kevin Zeitler at 27.  But for Blackmon's substance dependence issues-the degree to which were unknown to the general public-nobody would have questioned the wisdom of that pick over OL. 

Malabar already covered 2013.

In 2014 we drafted Bortles at 3.  At the very least, Houston was considering taking Bortles #1 overall, so there was SOME sense he was worth a top 5 pick at the time.  He was taken ahead of Jake Matthews (great bloodline-decent career) and Taylor Lewan (now THAT hurt).

Considering we just took Joeckel in 2015 and at that point, the hope had to be that he could still develop, the team drafted Dante Fowler 33rd overall.  While most on this board felt that DT Leonard Williams would have been the better pick, the general consensus nationally was that Fowler was worthy of a top 5 pick at the time.  However, the OL taken in the first were horrible that year.  Brandon Scherff went to Washington at 5, and he wound up a good pick (though a top 5 pick for a G is arguably iffy.)  After that?  Ugh.  The Giants took Erick Flowers at 10, the Saints took Andrus Peat at 13, Cleveland took Cameron Fleming at 19, Cincy took Cedric Ogbuehi at 21, Arizona took DJ Humphries at 24, and Detroit took Laken Tomlinson at 28.

I won't even bother to go into 2016.  Without question we hit on the Ramsey pick and the consensus on the board and nationally was that we got a steal with him.  He made all Pro and Pro Bowl during his time here, and the defense was always highly ranked during his time here. 

In 2017, we took Leonard Fournette.  WHile he remains an unpopular pick-especially considering we passed on Mahomes and Watson to take him- offensive line did not needlessly suffer because of his selection.  Only two OL were taken in the first round that year:  Garrett Bolles at 20 and Ryan Ramsczyk at 32 to New Orleans.  Fournette has been decent if not worthy of that 4th pick, but Bolles has been a bust, and It would have been an incredible reach for Ramscyk at 4.

We took Taven Bryan at the end of the first round in 2018, 29th overall.  The next offensive lineman wasn't taken until Will Hernandez at the top of roudn 2.  I wanted hernandez at the time, but the Jaguars did not neglect OL that year, because they made Norwell (who made All Pro) a priority free agent signing.  He didn't work out as we'd hoped he would. but his signing shows we didn't neglect OL.

Last year we got Josh Allen.  Does anyone seriously have a problem with that because he was not an OL?  If so, what OL would you have taken over him?

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I don't mean to present a laissez faire attitude about it. 

As I've expressed in countless posts/threads:

 - I am very off put by Khan's insistence to increase revenue by moving a second game and it reeks of greed to my olfactory sense. 
 
 - I fully expected and supported a reboot in the front office and coaching staff this offseason even if I don't "hate" Caldwell as many fans do.  

 - I continue to be mystified by the moves made along the O-Line and the general lack of haste to improve its performance via player acquisition and coach placement.  I know moves have been made, but without the necessary urgency IMO. 

 - I feel the organization turned a blind eye to the TE position during multiple offseasons and the moves that have been made have had unfortunate endings. *fingers crossed on Oliver*

 -  The reliance on #27 by multiple coordinators has been largely a failure as his effectiveness could be better fulfilled by having a c.o.p. compliment that presents a variance in challenge to opposing defenses. We saw 10 minutes of it with Grant and somehow this entire organization never felt a need to return to a winning formula there. 

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I've got my fair share of gripes and complaints.
 I simply choose to sit back and see how many of those are going to be addressed between now and September rather than ranting about how unhappy I am.

The one thing the Jags haven't had is a lack of urgency on player acquisition on the OL. 

Caldwell's very first draft pick was a LT, in spite of having Monroe at the time who was arguably the best player on the team the year before (some might say Poz).

The Jags traded up in the second round when they picked both Robinson and Taylor. Both players were listed much higher in every pre-draft mock I saw, frequently to the Jags as a 1st round pick expecting the Jags to fill the OL need.

Cann and Linder were both 3rd round picks, which is high for a guard. Caldwell even traded up to get Linder.

The Jags also signed Norwell as a free agent, one of the highest rated free agents in that class. They also signed former Pro Bowl guard Beadles, signed Steeler LT starter Beachum to replace Joeckel after he failed, and traded for LT Brandon Albert. They made a big money offer to Pro Bowl center Alex Mack, which the Browns matched (to their regret).

Of course the results have been disappointing. Whether that's due to coaching or the players just being overrated when they were acquired is debatable. I tend to blame coaching because Cann's best season was his rookie year, same with Robinson, and maybe Linder too. When every player on the OL with more than one year as a Jag has gotten worse with time it seems obvious to me that it's a coaching/development failure, not a player selection failure.

But even if you blame the player selection, you can't say the Jags didn't prioritize the OL.

What I said was succinctly "mystified by the moves and lack of urgency" not that they didn't prioritize. And I still believe they did not prioritize it enough in a number of recent offseasons. Like...  2019. 
I also included their coaching choices as an issue. 

I included the "acquisition" caveat for this exact anticipated response. 

Urgency Issues: 

* Trotting out Cam Robinson at left tackle last year after his just barely being cleared to practice after the knee surgery/rehab with no credible insurance plan (and his questionable rookie season) was a lack of urgency. 

* Rolling with AJ Cann after two straight years of poor performance with an underwhelming 4th round failed RT prospect as your only contingency was a lack of urgency. 

* Hell, drafting Will Richardson ^  as your only real plan to replace an aging/fading Parnell was also a lack of urgency.

* Rolling with the same depth of Shatley, Walker and *gulp* Chris freakin Reed for year after year showed a severe lack of urgency to even remotely push the starters ahead of them or to upgrade depth. 

I count all of these decisions as failures.

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The one thing the Jags haven't had is a lack of urgency on player acquisition on the OL. 

Caldwell's very first draft pick was a LT, in spite of having Monroe at the time who was arguably the best player on the team the year before (some might say Poz).

The Jags traded up in the second round when they picked both Robinson and Taylor. Both players were listed much higher in every pre-draft mock I saw, frequently to the Jags as a 1st round pick expecting the Jags to fill the OL need.

Cann and Linder were both 3rd round picks, which is high for a guard. Caldwell even traded up to get Linder.

The Jags also signed Norwell as a free agent, one of the highest rated free agents in that class. They also signed former Pro Bowl guard Beadles, signed Steeler LT starter Beachum to replace Joeckel after he failed, and traded for LT Brandon Albert. They made a big money offer to Pro Bowl center Alex Mack, which the Browns matched (to their regret).

Of course the results have been disappointing. Whether that's due to coaching or the players just being overrated when they were acquired is debatable. I tend to blame coaching because Cann's best season was his rookie year, same with Robinson, and maybe Linder too. When every player on the OL with more than one year as a Jag has gotten worse with time it seems obvious to me that it's a coaching/development failure, not a player selection failure.

But even if you blame the player selection, you can't say the Jags didn't prioritize the OL.

What I said was succinctly "mystified by the moves and lack of urgency" not that they didn't prioritize. And I still believe they did not prioritize it enough in a number of recent offseasons. Like...  2019. 
I also included their coaching choices as an issue. 

I included the "acquisition" caveat for this exact anticipated response. 

Urgency Issues: 

* Trotting out Cam Robinson at left tackle last year after his just barely being cleared to practice after the knee surgery/rehab with no credible insurance plan (and his questionable rookie season) was a lack of urgency. 

* Rolling with AJ Cann after two straight years of poor performance with an underwhelming 4th round failed RT prospect as your only contingency was a lack of urgency. 

* Hell, drafting Will Richardson ^  as your only real plan to replace an aging/fading Parnell was also a lack of urgency.

* Rolling with the same depth of Shatley, Walker and *gulp* Chris freakin Reed for year after year showed a severe lack of urgency to even remotely push the starters ahead of them or to upgrade depth. 

I count all of these decisions as failures.

Cam Robinson tore his ACL in week 2 in 2018.  Based on most estimates, he should have been fully recovered by camp.  But then he had setbacks.  When the team had reason to fear he wouldn't be ready (this news was made public during camp/preseason), what could they have done at that point to improve the position? Traded for Laremy Tunsil?  The Texans gave up 2 #1s for him.  Would you have met that price, and his contract demands with our cap situation?  Traded for Trent Williams?  Cleveland was determined not to trade him last year despite his unhappiness.  Any guy you might have signed off the street most likely would not have helped.

I agree with the rest of your observations, but I think the critique over Cam Robinson is unfair given how everything transpired.

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What I said was succinctly "mystified by the moves and lack of urgency" not that they didn't prioritize. And I still believe they did not prioritize it enough in a number of recent offseasons. Like...  2019. 
I also included their coaching choices as an issue. 

I included the "acquisition" caveat for this exact anticipated response. 

Urgency Issues: 

* Trotting out Cam Robinson at left tackle last year after his just barely being cleared to practice after the knee surgery/rehab with no credible insurance plan (and his questionable rookie season) was a lack of urgency. 

* Rolling with AJ Cann after two straight years of poor performance with an underwhelming 4th round failed RT prospect as your only contingency was a lack of urgency. 

* Hell, drafting Will Richardson ^  as your only real plan to replace an aging/fading Parnell was also a lack of urgency.

* Rolling with the same depth of Shatley, Walker and *gulp* Chris freakin Reed for year after year showed a severe lack of urgency to even remotely push the starters ahead of them or to upgrade depth. 

I count all of these decisions as failures.

Cam Robinson tore his ACL in week 2 in 2018.  Based on most estimates, he should have been fully recovered by camp.  But then he had setbacks.  When the team had reason to fear he wouldn't be ready (this news was made public during camp/preseason), what could they have done at that point to improve the position? Traded for Laremy Tunsil?  The Texans gave up 2 #1s for him.  Would you have met that price, and his contract demands with our cap situation?  Traded for Trent Williams?  Cleveland was determined not to trade him last year despite his unhappiness.  Any guy you might have signed off the street most likely would not have helped.

I agree with the rest of your observations, but I think the critique over Cam Robinson is unfair given how everything transpired.

There probably weren't a lot of options beyond packaging picks in the 2019 draft to move back into the 2nd and they didn't have that luxury either  --  and we'd likely be without Minshew and a 2nd round pick this year if they did. 

Only thing they could have done would be to scour the mid-tier tackle market for an insurance guy instead of waiting till October to pick up a guy like Flowers. (who they also incidentally failed to utilize properly given his newfound success at guard elsewhere)  I'm not going to pretend to know what may have been available to them at that juncture of last offseason. 

You make good points as always, but I stick to my "lack of urgency" opinion on this topic and I pray they aren't complacent in the 2019 draft when it comes to OT.  
Blindly trusting in Cam to "come around" this year with no one added to push him would be another giant helping of the same issue I'm lamenting.

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Cam Robinson tore his ACL in week 2 in 2018.  Based on most estimates, he should have been fully recovered by camp.  But then he had setbacks.  When the team had reason to fear he wouldn't be ready (this news was made public during camp/preseason), what could they have done at that point to improve the position? Traded for Laremy Tunsil?  The Texans gave up 2 #1s for him.  Would you have met that price, and his contract demands with our cap situation?  Traded for Trent Williams?  Cleveland was determined not to trade him last year despite his unhappiness.  Any guy you might have signed off the street most likely would not have helped.

I agree with the rest of your observations, but I think the critique over Cam Robinson is unfair given how everything transpired.

There probably weren't a lot of options beyond packaging picks in the 2019 draft to move back into the 2nd and they didn't have that luxury either  --  and we'd likely be without Minshew and a 2nd round pick this year if they did. 

Only thing they could have done would be to scour the mid-tier tackle market for an insurance guy instead of waiting till October to pick up a guy like Flowers. (who they also incidentally failed to utilize properly given his newfound success at guard elsewhere)  I'm not going to pretend to know what may have been available to them at that juncture of last offseason. 

You make good points as always, but I stick to my "lack of urgency" opinion on this topic and I pray they aren't complacent in the 2019 draft when it comes to OT.  
Blindly trusting in Cam to "come around" this year with no one added to push him would be another giant helping of the same issue I'm lamenting.

I agree LT (and OL generally) must be addressed in some form this year, and despite my skill position leanings, I am convinced taking a LT at 9 could very easily be the right choice for this team under a BAP, Needs and positional value basis.

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Cam Robinson tore his ACL in week 2 in 2018.  Based on most estimates, he should have been fully recovered by camp.  But then he had setbacks.  When the team had reason to fear he wouldn't be ready (this news was made public during camp/preseason), what could they have done at that point to improve the position? Traded for Laremy Tunsil?  The Texans gave up 2 #1s for him.  Would you have met that price, and his contract demands with our cap situation?  Traded for Trent Williams?  Cleveland was determined not to trade him last year despite his unhappiness.  Any guy you might have signed off the street most likely would not have helped.

I agree with the rest of your observations, but I think the critique over Cam Robinson is unfair given how everything transpired.

There probably weren't a lot of options beyond packaging picks in the 2019 draft to move back into the 2nd and they didn't have that luxury either  --  and we'd likely be without Minshew and a 2nd round pick this year if they did. 

Only thing they could have done would be to scour the mid-tier tackle market for an insurance guy instead of waiting till October to pick up a guy like Flowers. (who they also incidentally failed to utilize properly given his newfound success at guard elsewhere)  I'm not going to pretend to know what may have been available to them at that juncture of last offseason. 

You make good points as always, but I stick to my "lack of urgency" opinion on this topic and I pray they aren't complacent in the 2019 draft when it comes to OT.  
Blindly trusting in Cam to "come around" this year with no one added to push him would be another giant helping of the same issue I'm lamenting.

I would agree that a mid-tier insurance signing would have been preferable to banking on a completely routine recovery by Robinson.

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Cam Robinson tore his ACL in week 2 in 2018.  Based on most estimates, he should have been fully recovered by camp.  But then he had setbacks.  When the team had reason to fear he wouldn't be ready (this news was made public during camp/preseason), what could they have done at that point to improve the position? Traded for Laremy Tunsil?  The Texans gave up 2 #1s for him.  Would you have met that price, and his contract demands with our cap situation?  Traded for Trent Williams?  Cleveland was determined not to trade him last year despite his unhappiness.  Any guy you might have signed off the street most likely would not have helped.

I agree with the rest of your observations, but I think the critique over Cam Robinson is unfair given how everything transpired.

There probably weren't a lot of options beyond packaging picks in the 2019 draft to move back into the 2nd and they didn't have that luxury either  --  and we'd likely be without Minshew and a 2nd round pick this year if they did. 

Only thing they could have done would be to scour the mid-tier tackle market for an insurance guy instead of waiting till October to pick up a guy like Flowers. (who they also incidentally failed to utilize properly given his newfound success at guard elsewhere)  I'm not going to pretend to know what may have been available to them at that juncture of last offseason. 

You make good points as always, but I stick to my "lack of urgency" opinion on this topic and I pray they aren't complacent in the 2019 draft when it comes to OT.  
Blindly trusting in Cam to "come around" this year with no one added to push him would be another giant helping of the same issue I'm lamenting.

My mind was quite boggled by the decision to go all in with Cam at LT last year too...  He was expected to be ready just in time for the season, but the problem was that he wasn't really playing well enough before his injury.  Did the FO expect Cam to magically be a better player than he had been after a serious knee injury that in all reality would probably require half the season for Cam to be comfortable enough to legitimately return to 100%?

I don't pretend to know what they should have done this far after the fact, but the contingency plan should have been in place before the season started, not after.

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Is it really so bad to have winning expectations? It’s almost like some of you are just content with the mediocrity. This teams history has been fairly mediocre, particularly in the last decade. What’s so bad about wanting better football? And why has it eluded us for so long?

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Is it really so bad to have winning expectations? It’s almost like some of you are just content with the mediocrity. This teams history has been fairly mediocre, particularly in the last decade. What’s so bad about wanting better football? And why has it eluded us for so long?

In the last decade, mediocrity would have been a major step up for us.

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Is it really so bad to have winning expectations? It’s almost like some of you are just content with the mediocrity. This teams history has been fairly mediocre, particularly in the last decade. What’s so bad about wanting better football? And why has it eluded us for so long?

You're confusing people understanding that all teams go through droughts, sometimes long ones, with "being content with mediocrity."
Which is just a lame [BLEEP] label people on this message board love to throw around anytime someone isn't as upset as they are about something completely out of anyone's control here. 

The team has been too bad for too long. Everyone knows this. Some of us have just been around long enough to see every team go through their own version of this kind of crap over the years. Doesn't mean we're OK with it. Doesn't mean we "embrace mediocrity" or however you want to hyperbolize it. Just realistic.

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Is it really so bad to have winning expectations? It’s almost like some of you are just content with the mediocrity. This teams history has been fairly mediocre, particularly in the last decade. What’s so bad about wanting better football? And why has it eluded us for so long?

I'm with you, then there's a large group of "Well, some team in some league some where in the world was worse". They would go so far back to the biblical year to find "worse" teams some where to justify that anyone currently complaining about the situation is a "cry baby". 

Quite a joke tbh, but it's what the Jag fan base is coming. Just accepting mediocrity and getting upset with anyone who disagrees with that notion.

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