In Dave I trust.

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1 winning season since he was hired in 2013....likely two more losing seasons until hes gone. Congrats DC!

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http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/0ap3...2020-draft

This puts Caldwell in an objective context.

Caldwell deserves blame for hiring Bradley and draftingJoeckel and Bortles, though in his defense, no coach could have posted winning seasons with the talent he inherited in 2013.

But Caldwell has generally drafted well.

To me, player retention is his biggest shortcoming.

So we give Caldwell credit for Allen and Chark but fault TC for taking Fournette instead of Mahomes xDDDDDDDDDD 

Guess Bryan over LJ is TC fault too.
Good picks = Caldwell
Bad picks = TC

Playoffs = Caldwell
All other losing seasons = everyone except Caldwell 

Pete Prisco wrote an article last season spilling the beans inside the locker room and front office dating back to 2017. He confirmed Fournette was a Coughlin pick and he’s been in the drivers seat when in comes to player acquisition from the day he was re-hired to the day he was canned.

Now Bortles, Jockel and the others...blame Caldwell.

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/0ap3...2020-draft

This puts Caldwell in an objective context.

Caldwell deserves blame for hiring Bradley and draftingJoeckel and Bortles, though in his defense, no coach could have posted winning seasons with the talent he inherited in 2013.

But Caldwell has generally drafted well.

To me, player retention is his biggest shortcoming.

So we give Caldwell credit for Allen and Chark but fault TC for taking Fournette instead of Mahomes xDDDDDDDDDD 

Guess Bryan over LJ is TC fault too.
Good picks = Caldwell
Bad picks = TC

Playoffs = Caldwell
All other losing seasons = everyone except Caldwell 

Did you not read a single word I posted?!?

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In Dave I trust.

Not even close to comparable, considering Gene Smith has not one single drafted Pro Bowl player to his credit.

Not one!

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1 winning season since he was hired in 2013....likely two more losing seasons until hes gone. Congrats DC!

I do not hold those first two years against him, though even removing those, it still doesn't change the one winning season critique, unfortunately.

To me the lesson is there is more to winning than simply drafting welll, though that is the most important thing.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

No one is giving Caldwell a pass for picks like: Bortles, Marqise Lee, TJ Yeldon, AJ Cann etc.  & yes it's pretty obvious that if you're signing somewhere you're going to toss praise to the guy who just gave you a contract that set you up for life (TC), they also said in the same breath that the other offers they received weren't as appealing both in terms of $$ as well as fit, location, team aspirations etc.

So Gipson plays well, you just acknowledged that, but you're going to paint his entire stint here based on one play in the AFCCG? I fail to see how signing an above average player in free agency is a knock against Caldwell and how that fits into your narrative that Caldwell couldn't sign any good free agents pre TC/2017. You also just flat out ignored Malik Jackson, Sen'Derrick Marks (2 DT's that get 8+ sacks each in a season are homerun signings, credit where credit is due), Chris Ivory .. like he's signed some great players that you're just ignoring.

"You guys really deserve this team" ... then go find another team to root for if all you want to do is whine, don't let the door hit you on the way out. No where did I say Caldwell deserves the executive of the year award, or that everything he does is roses; I think all things considered he's done a decent job and has earned another year to show what he can do running the entire show.

Gipson thing is, he was nothing especial, period. 
Malik Jackson was a good signing yes, but he also had Gerhart, Beadles and more crap.
Chris Ivory did nothing for this team.

You just ignore everything bad on Caldwell, it's quite hilarious and pathetic.
I am gonna do whatever I want, If I wanna whine I'll whine, if you don't like it put me on ignore. 
Find another team? why? because I am not stupid/blind and support every person on this team when it is obviously their fault we are in this state?
Sounds like you love being pathetic and have this team in the bottom every year, don't mind me, keep enjoying, you have at least 2 more years to go.
OMG Caldwell has drafted Pro bowlers, well, he better, since he drafts top 10 every year.

Yeah, you deserve this pathetic team.

Come on, remind me of this team winning record with Caldwell as the GM, with and without Coughlin.

Yep, that's your hero right there.

"You just ignore everything bad on Caldwell, it's quite hilarious and pathetic." ....

The post you quoted, I literally said: "No one is giving Caldwell a pass for picks like: Bortles, Marqise Lee, TJ Yeldon, AJ Cann etc." how have I ignored his bad moves when I literally reference them directly?!?

Dude, reading comprehension LOL.

Ivory was a good pass blocker and change of pace back in 2017, he was pretty solid in his time here. You harp on the record of Caldwell, do you honestly believe he or any GM had a realistic expectation of winning in their first few years here inheriting a 2-14 team from the year prior?!?!?

2017 & 2007 were my favorite years, how delusional are you that you think I or anyone else here WANTS or ENJOYS the Jags losing?!?! Does your avatar have you under a Genjutsu??? that's the only explanation I can think of lol. Whine all you want, project any insecurities you want; waste your day.

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Championship Formula:

1) Draft Trevor Lawrence!
2) Play good physical Defense! 
3) Keep 91% of the roster healthy!
4) ???
5) Blank #2
6) CHAMPIONSHIP!!!

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/0ap3...2020-draft

This puts Caldwell in an objective context.

Caldwell deserves blame for hiring Bradley and draftingJoeckel and Bortles, though in his defense, no coach could have posted winning seasons with the talent he inherited in 2013.

But Caldwell has generally drafted well.

To me, player retention is his biggest shortcoming.

Just fyi, Caldwell didn't want to hire Bradley. Khan interviewed Gus and just fell in love; Caldwell wanted to hire Greg Roman (his former college roommate iirc) who had experience with a run first offense and we still had MJD & no QB at the time. Joeckel was a bust but in hindsight that entire 2013 draft was talent starved, I also think that Tony Khan's analytics handcuffs the front office at times when he gets tunnel visioned on "his guys", Tony Khan believed that having a RT in Joeckel across from Monroe at LT would give Gabbert more time to throw (2.1 seconds average in 2012; and when Gabbert had 2.6 seconds to throw his stats/passer rating was significantly better) Bradley also demanded a SS be drafted high bc he needed his Kam Chancellor 2.0 to run his Seattle Cover-3 defense. Caldwell stated in post draft interviews that Darius Slay was the top guy on his board but was railroaded into picking Cyprien (reading between the lines).

As bad as the Bortles pick was in hindsight, his other picks that draft were pretty good: Allen Robinson, Telvin Smith in the 5th. His 2016 draft was stellar: Jalen Ramsey, Myles Jack, Yannick Ngakoue, & Sheldon Day (until Coughlin cut him in 2017 bc "numbers game" and he went on to be a key player for the Niners DL in their run to the SB this past year). Then TC took over and ruined the roster/momentum that was built (there's no chance Caldwell selects Fournette top 5 or Taven Bryan at all if he's at the helm). With TC gone I thought Caldwell had a good draft this year although obviously it's beyond premature as they haven't played a game.

I think Caldwell has earned this year to see what he can do; as a GM he wasn't given his choice of a HC to hire initially, and then TC was brought in essentially handcuffing his ability to GM, and even now he inherited Marrone from Coughlin & still hasn't gotten to pick "his" coach. Not to mention most of the talent DC acquired Coughlin ran out of town with his draconian ways. Caldwell may not be Ozzie Newsome but he's miles better than Gene Smith & Shack Harris were. I'm not super angry he was retained bc he did kind of get a raw deal here with all the chaos that's gone on since he was hired.

I vaguely remember reading about that, but I can not find a link.  The lack of confirmation about that, plus the whole 11 hour interview with Bradley makes me more inclined to believe Bradley was Caldwell's choice.

That said, I will back off of that if I see the link again

I do not trash him for the entire 2014 draft, just Bortles.  That 2014 draft was pretty good.  I remember most Jaguars fans on the board lauded the draft in its immediate aftermath.  I do wonder who he would have drafted in 2017 & 18 had TC not have been hired.
While he may not have drafted Fournette, he may not have drafted Watson or Mahomes, either.

Though I think he is a good drafter, I have serious doubts about his ability to turn this around fast enough to keep the job beyond this year, unless the entire team exceeds expectations to a large degree.  If the team ends up with Trevor Lawrence, a new GM will end up drafting him.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

Caldwell has done an very good job of attaining talent when his hands wasn't tied. This past draft has spoken volumes w/respect to that.

Enough Said.

NH3...

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"AZANE"

This is popcorn thread, just a back and forth winner-less argument. Hopefully, nobody is permanently scarred when it finally fades away.

My 2 cents:
1. Caldwell took over in 2013 and in 2017 had the team in the AFC Championship Game and in good shape salary
cap-wise.
2. 2017: enter Tom Coughlin

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Season Ticket holder since 2004.

 

        

He is not the problem.

Let's see what this FO/coaching staff is able to do without the old disciplinarian guy...

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He is not the problem.

Let's see what this FO/coaching staff is able to do without the old disciplinarian guy...

Caldwell is absolutely part of the problem. Caldwell, Coughlin and Marrone all had a hand in how poorly this team has played.

Caldwells best 1st round picks are ones that were no brainers due to talent falling in his lap. He has an eye for WRs (which is great) but overall, the guy just hasn’t put a winning product on the field. Whether that’s with his coaching decisions or player acquisitions, it has translated to possibly the worst current roster in the NFL.

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When it comes to evaluating talent, Daves worst positions are the oline, TE, and RB. I think Eifert will be Daves best TE acquisition since coming here in 13, Linder and Taylor are his 2 good oline acquisitions in 7 years, and he still hasn't found a high quality RB. LF is a decent back but can definitely be upgraded

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Just fyi, Caldwell didn't want to hire Bradley. Khan interviewed Gus and just fell in love; Caldwell wanted to hire Greg Roman (his former college roommate iirc) who had experience with a run first offense and we still had MJD & no QB at the time. Joeckel was a bust but in hindsight that entire 2013 draft was talent starved, I also think that Tony Khan's analytics handcuffs the front office at times when he gets tunnel visioned on "his guys", Tony Khan believed that having a RT in Joeckel across from Monroe at LT would give Gabbert more time to throw (2.1 seconds average in 2012; and when Gabbert had 2.6 seconds to throw his stats/passer rating was significantly better) Bradley also demanded a SS be drafted high bc he needed his Kam Chancellor 2.0 to run his Seattle Cover-3 defense. Caldwell stated in post draft interviews that Darius Slay was the top guy on his board but was railroaded into picking Cyprien (reading between the lines).

As bad as the Bortles pick was in hindsight, his other picks that draft were pretty good: Allen Robinson, Telvin Smith in the 5th. His 2016 draft was stellar: Jalen Ramsey, Myles Jack, Yannick Ngakoue, & Sheldon Day (until Coughlin cut him in 2017 bc "numbers game" and he went on to be a key player for the Niners DL in their run to the SB this past year). Then TC took over and ruined the roster/momentum that was built (there's no chance Caldwell selects Fournette top 5 or Taven Bryan at all if he's at the helm). With TC gone I thought Caldwell had a good draft this year although obviously it's beyond premature as they haven't played a game.

I think Caldwell has earned this year to see what he can do; as a GM he wasn't given his choice of a HC to hire initially, and then TC was brought in essentially handcuffing his ability to GM, and even now he inherited Marrone from Coughlin & still hasn't gotten to pick "his" coach. Not to mention most of the talent DC acquired Coughlin ran out of town with his draconian ways. Caldwell may not be Ozzie Newsome but he's miles better than Gene Smith & Shack Harris were. I'm not super angry he was retained bc he did kind of get a raw deal here with all the chaos that's gone on since he was hired.

I do not trash him for the entire 2014 draft, just Bortles.  That 2014 draft was pretty good.  I remember most Jaguars fans on the board lauded the draft in its immediate aftermath.  I do wonder who he would have drafted in 2017 & 18 had TC not have been hired.
While he may not have drafted Fournette, he may not have drafted Watson or Mahomes, either.

Though I think he is a good drafter, I have serious doubts about his ability to turn this around fast enough to keep the job beyond this year, unless the entire team exceeds expectations to a large degree.  If the team ends up with Trevor Lawrence, a new GM will end up drafting him.

Agree. I didn't like the Bortles pick in 2014 but nonetheless thought at the time that the draft was excellent overall. Robinson, Linder, Colvin, and Telvin were all good starter quality players, with Robinson, Telvin and Linder Pro Bowl quality. Lee didn't live up to his draft slot but wasn't a total bust. Bowanko started at center in 2014 and was solid, before being chewed up in the Gus Bradley destruction mill. Even Bortles had his moments, with his 35 TD passes in 2015 still far and away the team record.

If it's true that Bradley was forced on Caldwell by Khan and Coughlin was hired to oversee Caldwell by Khan, then Khan is clearly making the decisions over the GM and anyone we hire as a GM is going to fail.

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

Daves eye for a RB is probably the worst out of all positions, took LF over CC. And took Yeldon over that deep 15 RB class lol. Yeldon was always a mid round pick at best and wasn't even that good at Ala. behind the best oline in college

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When it comes to evaluating talent, Daves worst positions are the oline, TE, and RB.  I think Eifert will be Daves best TE acquisition since coming here in 13, Linder and Taylor are his 2 good oline acquisitions in 7 years, and he still hasn't found a high quality RB.  LF is a decent back but can definitely be upgraded

You hope Taylor turns out to be good.

He’s got a long way to go.

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When it comes to evaluating talent, Daves worst positions are the oline, TE, and RB.  I think Eifert will be Daves best TE acquisition since coming here in 13, Linder and Taylor are his 2 good oline acquisitions in 7 years, and he still hasn't found a high quality RB.  LF is a decent back but can definitely be upgraded

You hope Taylor turns out to be good.

He’s got a long way to go.

Yeah, he was a rookie but but improved a good bit over the 2nd half of the season and was the best rookie tackle last year.  I think his progression continues this year early on and I think he will be one of if not the most improved player on offense.

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Gipson thing is, he was nothing especial, period. 
Malik Jackson was a good signing yes, but he also had Gerhart, Beadles and more crap.
Chris Ivory did nothing for this team.

You just ignore everything bad on Caldwell, it's quite hilarious and pathetic.
I am gonna do whatever I want, If I wanna whine I'll whine, if you don't like it put me on ignore. 
Find another team? why? because I am not stupid/blind and support every person on this team when it is obviously their fault we are in this state?
Sounds like you love being pathetic and have this team in the bottom every year, don't mind me, keep enjoying, you have at least 2 more years to go.
OMG Caldwell has drafted Pro bowlers, well, he better, since he drafts top 10 every year.

Yeah, you deserve this pathetic team.

Come on, remind me of this team winning record with Caldwell as the GM, with and without Coughlin.

Yep, that's your hero right there.

"You just ignore everything bad on Caldwell, it's quite hilarious and pathetic."  ....

The post you quoted, I literally said: "No one is giving Caldwell a pass for picks like: Bortles, Marqise Lee, TJ Yeldon, AJ Cann etc." how have I ignored his bad moves when I literally reference them directly?!?

Dude, reading comprehension LOL.

Ivory was a good pass blocker and change of pace back in 2017, he was pretty solid in his time here. You harp on the record of Caldwell, do you honestly believe he or any GM had a realistic expectation of winning in their first few years here inheriting a 2-14 team from the year prior?!?!?

2017 & 2007 were my favorite years, how delusional are you that you think I or anyone else here WANTS or ENJOYS the Jags losing?!?!  Does your avatar have you under a Genjutsu???  that's the only explanation I can think of lol. Whine all you want, project any insecurities you want; waste your day.

Reading comprehension is severely lacking with a lot of posters on this board. I feel you there.
I don't think Caldwell has done as poorly as many of the extremist viewers would say. As a rookie and young GM he had some seriously bad drafts for sure early on. He whiffed on QB. Generally speaking though, he's done an OK job. Seemingly getting better towards the latter half of his drafting.

No one wants to talk about any positives though. The W/L column is awful. But no one wants to talk about how that stat line is a team thing. I believe the talent was there to be better in Bradley's later years. Maybe not playoff quality, but better than a handful of wins.

Fact is Caldwell hasn't been abysmal. But rather he's been OK. Average. He's had some good draft picks, had some whiffs, had some good FA signings and some bad. He's flipped a few players for picks and had to have a babysitter in Coughlin hired to stand over him and likely forced some picks that Caldwell wouldn't have gone with. It's been a mixed bag with DC for sure...
Which probably isn't good enough in today's NFL.
I was in the boat of people that felt like we should have moved on. We didn't however, and some fans have a very hard time letting things go.


Anyone who can look at the job Caldwell has done and think he's been downright awful isn't being sincere.
But that isn't surprising at all from a certain sect of posters.

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So we give Caldwell credit for Allen and Chark but fault TC for taking Fournette instead of Mahomes xDDDDDDDDDD 

Guess Bryan over LJ is TC fault too.
Good picks = Caldwell
Bad picks = TC

Playoffs = Caldwell
All other losing seasons = everyone except Caldwell 

Did you not read a single word I posted?!?

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In Dave I trust.

Not even close to comparable, considering Gene Smith has not one single drafted Pro Bowl player to his credit.

Not one!

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1 winning season since he was hired in 2013....likely two more losing seasons until hes gone. Congrats DC!

I do not hold those first two years against him, though even removing those, it still doesn't change the one winning season critique, unfortunately.

To me the lesson is there is more to winning than simply drafting welll, though that is the most important thing.

Not really, my post was more of an answer to the video and anyone who believes that.

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I am a fan, not a cheerleader.

Gipson thing is, he was nothing especial, period. 
Malik Jackson was a good signing yes, but he also had Gerhart, Beadles and more crap.
Chris Ivory did nothing for this team.

You just ignore everything bad on Caldwell, it's quite hilarious and pathetic.
I am gonna do whatever I want, If I wanna whine I'll whine, if you don't like it put me on ignore. 
Find another team? why? because I am not stupid/blind and support every person on this team when it is obviously their fault we are in this state?
Sounds like you love being pathetic and have this team in the bottom every year, don't mind me, keep enjoying, you have at least 2 more years to go.
OMG Caldwell has drafted Pro bowlers, well, he better, since he drafts top 10 every year.

Yeah, you deserve this pathetic team.

Come on, remind me of this team winning record with Caldwell as the GM, with and without Coughlin.

Yep, that's your hero right there.

"You just ignore everything bad on Caldwell, it's quite hilarious and pathetic."  ....

The post you quoted, I literally said: "No one is giving Caldwell a pass for picks like: Bortles, Marqise Lee, TJ Yeldon, AJ Cann etc." how have I ignored his bad moves when I literally reference them directly?!?

Dude, reading comprehension LOL.

Ivory was a good pass blocker and change of pace back in 2017, he was pretty solid in his time here. You harp on the record of Caldwell, do you honestly believe he or any GM had a realistic expectation of winning in their first few years here inheriting a 2-14 team from the year prior?!?!?

2017 & 2007 were my favorite years, how delusional are you that you think I or anyone else here WANTS or ENJOYS the Jags losing?!? !  Does your avatar have you under a Genjutsu???  that's the only explanation I can think of lol. Whine all you want, project any insecurities you want; waste your day.

Ivory stats in 2017 382 yards 3.4 ypc 1 running TD AND he knew how to block!! wow now I see why Caldwell is so good.

"I don't enjoy losing but I will defend and make excuses for the garbage GM that has this team losing and has never had a winning season without the help of TC"

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I am a fan, not a cheerleader.

We also blame Fournette to TC but give credit for every good pick from 2017 to 2019 to DC (Allen, Chark, Minshew).
Also TC was the one who gave Bortles the extension and signed Foles, Dave Caldwell the GM had nothing to do with that.

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I am a fan, not a cheerleader.

I do not trash him for the entire 2014 draft, just Bortles.  That 2014 draft was pretty good.  I remember most Jaguars fans on the board lauded the draft in its immediate aftermath.  I do wonder who he would have drafted in 2017 & 18 had TC not have been hired.
While he may not have drafted Fournette, he may not have drafted Watson or Mahomes, either.

Though I think he is a good drafter, I have serious doubts about his ability to turn this around fast enough to keep the job beyond this year, unless the entire team exceeds expectations to a large degree.  If the team ends up with Trevor Lawrence, a new GM will end up drafting him.

Agree. I didn't like the Bortles pick in 2014 but nonetheless thought at the time that the draft was excellent overall. Robinson, Linder, Colvin, and Telvin were all good starter quality players, with Robinson, Telvin and Linder Pro Bowl quality. Lee didn't live up to his draft slot but wasn't a total bust. Bowanko started at center in 2014 and was solid, before being chewed up in the Gus Bradley destruction mill. Even Bortles had his moments, with his 35 TD passes in 2015 still far and away the team record.

If it's true that Bradley was forced on Caldwell by Khan and Coughlin was hired to oversee Caldwell by Khan, then Khan is clearly making the decisions over the GM and anyone we hire as a GM is going to fail.

There is this perception that Khan is a hands off owner but he’s really not.

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."