Got a source for this one, cowboy?

No but April 15th Florida was supposed to have 700k sick. Oops

It just might've since we'll never know how many mild asymptomatic cased we've had unless we titers test everyone.

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NFL cancels all international games in London, Mexico City for the 2020 NFL season

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-c...fl-season/

Regardless of how one feels about NFL games being played in the UK and Mexico City in much more normal years, I think the NFL made the only sensible decision this time around. The uncertainty with foreign travel as a result of COVID-19, makes it near impossible for the NFL to schedule games outside the USA for the 2020 season.

I agree with you on this, the logistics and the uncertainty make it a no-win situation for them.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

The bad news is that the team had no choice but to move the games back to Jacksonville. The good news is that they're very, very sorry to have to inflict this on the local fans.

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If this would only affect your health or only my I wouldn't give a crap and I'd say let the season go ahead and run the risk of infections. But that's not the case here. As we've seen in Europe a single soccer match with one or two infected in the crowd can lead to dozens or even hundreds more infected. All those people then go on to infect even more people and so on and so on. And all it takes is one of those people visit their grandparents in the retirement home and then the retirement home is infected as well and people start dying.

And continuing on, the number of infected keeps growing, soon after that, the hospitals are overwhelmed, and then the ICU's are swamped. Doctors will face the choice of choosing who they let die and who they put on the ventilators, simply because they don't have the capacity to put everyone on the ventilators. And that's just from the virus itself, meanwhile the normal care continues to put a demand on the hospitals as well. People coming in with acute needs like heart attacks likely won't be able to get the care they need because the hospital is packed with corona patients, not to mention the risk they run of catching the virus themselves.

This is exactly what happened in Wuhan, and then Italy, and Spain, and it's what would have happened in a lot places had they not put stringent rules in place about social contact and social distancing. In the end, it's not about you and your choice, you selfish git. It's about everyone's health and safety.

Current testing is showing that the proliferation of COVID-19 happened much sooner than we knew, many more people than we know have already been infected and recovered, and that the fatality rate is consistent with an average flu season globally. Anyway, carry on.

So there have been stay at home orders for 'average' flu season?  You don't think that maybe that has affected the numbers?

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Living, breathing and daily life puts other people in danger.  You can't eliminate risk.  Sure you can do mitigating factors but all decisions have impacts.  There are long standing virologists and other doctors that have a point of view that goes against the WHO and CDC.  That said I don't think fans will be in the stands.  Their are governors that are strongly against letting their control be eased up.

I'm hopeful for the best but international travel with the added quarantine periods does really work against international games.

The bad part about this is the fact that the Season Ticket Holder now has to weigh other factors instead of just renewing based on their team and desire to go to the game.  So now, the 65 year old (or person with known health issues ) season ticket holder of 25 years has to blindly renew or lose his seat and tenure, even though he/she knows their health may be at risk.  This is a no win situation for team owner and fan.

Here you go:

https://twitter.com/mikegarafolo/status/...10156?s=21

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There's a liability issue to consider. The cities and/or the owners have to have an awareness of that.

To be honest, i think thats the biggest factor holding business and sporting events back. If someone goes to an event and gets sick, can they sue?

They can sue. The question is, is there liability? I think with the public concern around C-19 it is something the sports league owners are worried about.

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To be honest, i think thats the biggest factor holding business and sporting events back. If someone goes to an event and gets sick, can they sue?

They can sue. The question is, is there liability? I think with the public concern around C-19 it is something the sports league owners are worried about.

HB- given the fact that the city owns the stadium, would that add another layer of liability concern?

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They can sue. The question is, is there liability? I think with the public concern around C-19 it is something the sports league owners are worried about.

HB- given the fact that the city owns the stadium, would that add another layer of liability concern?

Beats me, I'm not a lawyer. But I would bet there would be concerns. Who knows how valid they are.

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Current testing is showing that the proliferation of COVID-19 happened much sooner than we knew, many more people than we know have already been infected and recovered, and that the fatality rate is consistent with an average flu season globally. Anyway, carry on.

So there have been stay at home orders for 'average' flu season?  You don't think that maybe that has affected the numbers?

Sure it has, as has the continuous misreporting of the numbers. What we're learning is that the virus has been here for a bit longer than we thought and people have been sick from it who will never be counted in the numbers. The point of the lock down was never to stop people from dying, it was to stop them from all overwhelming the medical system at the same time. Mission Accomplished! Now we're discovering that the number of critical cases of COVID aren't reflective of the infection rate of the general population. Pandemics follow a statistical curve and this one hasn't been any different in its behavior.Yes, it's critically dangerous to a small class of people, mostly the same people who are similarly at risk for a variety of other contagions that are similarly deadly. But we aren't going to eradicate it, we're going to have to learn to live with it even when we get a vaccine because no vaccine is ever 100% effective. But COVID-19 is not an Apocalyptic Plague that will destroy all mankind as was initially thought and broadcast to the public. All of this is very good news!

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

The bad part about this is the fact that the Season Ticket Holder now has to weigh other factors instead of just renewing based on their team and desire to go to the game.  So now, the 65 year old (or person with known health issues ) season ticket holder of 25 years has to blindly renew or lose his seat and tenure, even though he/she knows their health may be at risk.  This is a no win situation for team owner and fan.

Here you go:

https://twitter.com/mikegarafolo/status/...10156?s=21

Glad they added the Full Refund language for cancelled games.  The prior Terms stated they would refund you in non-cash benefits (aka 10 teal deal books with estimated $2500 in savings -- LOL )

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So there have been stay at home orders for 'average' flu season?  You don't think that maybe that has affected the numbers?

Sure it has, as has the continuous misreporting of the numbers. What we're learning is that the virus has been here for a bit longer than we thought and people have been sick from it who will never be counted in the numbers. The point of the lock down was never to stop people from dying, it was to stop them from all overwhelming the medical system at the same time. Mission Accomplished! Now we're discovering that the number of critical cases of COVID aren't reflective of the infection rate of the general population. Pandemics follow a statistical curve and this one hasn't been any different in its behavior.Yes, it's critically dangerous to a small class of people, mostly the same people who are similarly at risk for a variety of other contagions that are similarly deadly. But we aren't going to eradicate it, we're going to have to learn to live with it even when we get a vaccine because no vaccine is ever 100% effective. But COVID-19 is not an Apocalyptic Plague that will destroy all mankind as was initially thought and broadcast to the public. All of this is very good news!

But But But.... you just want grandma and granpa to die.

/kidding

Governor here in Texas said that the case numbers being reported are less than 10% of the people being tested.  And when you look at the fatality rate it is low relative to the number of cases.  They want it to be lower but they have determined more people are in risk of Domestic Violence, putting off public health screenings, "elective procedures", mental health, loss of work and financial ruin.  I support the brave governors that are taking available information and balancing out their choices.

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Here's a graph plotting deaths per day in Spain for every year from 1941 to 2020.

And here's a graph plotting deaths per week for the Netherlands (my country) from 1995 to 2020.

Both countries have been in lockdown for weeks now, with Spain's lockdown being much more severe than the Netherlands because they were earlier to be effected and later to react and thus needed much more drastic measures. Personally, I've just started my eight week of self-isolation and social distancing. The graph for the Netherlands shows the difference for the death rate for a "regular" flu without any measures being taken versus the death toll for corona with stringent measures being taken. It's not "just the flu", it's way more infectious, and way more lethal than the regular flu.

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It just might've since we'll never know how many mild asymptomatic cased we've had unless we titers test everyone.

I should have said hospitalized...Estimated 700k+ by mid Apri, Florida only has 400k beds.

I'm glad I waited to renew, still gonna wait...

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Here's a graph plotting deaths per day in Spain for every year from 1941 to 2020.

And here's a graph plotting deaths per week for the Netherlands (my country) from 1995 to 2020.

Both countries have been in lockdown for weeks now, with Spain's lockdown being much more severe than the Netherlands because they were earlier to be effected and later to react and thus needed much more drastic measures. Personally, I've just started my eight week of self-isolation and social distancing. The graph for the Netherlands shows the difference for the death rate for a "regular" flu without any measures being taken versus the death toll for corona with stringent measures being taken. It's not "just the flu", it's way more infectious, and way more lethal than the regular flu.

Yes, specific high risk populations as I said.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

To be honest, i think thats the biggest factor holding business and sporting events back. If someone goes to an event and gets sick, can they sue?

They can sue. The question is, is there liability? I think with the public concern around C-19 it is something the sports league owners are worried about.

I bet there are enough ambulance chaser lawyers out there to find out. It just seems a whole minefield of legal areas. What about staff? If they get infected while working? Are they liable if they get it on their way to work? If they hadnt had to go out...

Just seems a whole potential mess so just makes sense to side step the whole issue.

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Here's a graph plotting deaths per day in Spain for every year from 1941 to 2020.

And here's a graph plotting deaths per week for the Netherlands (my country) from 1995 to 2020.

Both countries have been in lockdown for weeks now, with Spain's lockdown being much more severe than the Netherlands because they were earlier to be effected and later to react and thus needed much more drastic measures. Personally, I've just started my eight week of self-isolation and social distancing. The graph for the Netherlands shows the difference for the death rate for a "regular" flu without any measures being taken versus the death toll for corona with stringent measures being taken. It's not "just the flu", it's way more infectious, and way more lethal than the regular flu.

Yes, specific high risk populations as I said.

Nothing I posted referenced or isolated high risk populations. That's your confirmation bias at work.

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HB- given the fact that the city owns the stadium, would that add another layer of liability concern?

Beats me, I'm not a lawyer. But I would bet there would be concerns. Who knows how valid they are.

Lol ... I thought of My Cousin Vinny when i read the above.

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It's a little disheartening to see how lightly some of the people here are taking Covid-19 and say old people don't go to games so its fine.

Not to turn this into a sad story, but my grandparents both passed away in the past 2 weeks because of the corona virus. My aunt nearly lost her life, but is luckily slowly returning to health.

& like a few of you had said, I don't think we'll be seeing fans at sporting events anytime soon. While we may think we're nearing the end of this, Chicago has had its 2 worst days of Covid19 deaths within the last week... so it doesn't look like its going away yet.

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sorry to hear about your grandparents. we won't have to worry about fans at games. I said it before there won't be a nfl season this year. it will be cancled.

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note titans owner means im undeafted againest them. 

Yes, specific high risk populations as I said.

Nothing I posted referenced or isolated high risk populations. That's your confirmation bias at work.

4% of the casualties in your country are under age 60.

4% of the casualties in Spain are under age 60.

Confirmation bias, lol.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato