The fix to this problem is to arrest and prosecute the cop who did the bad deed. Anything beyond that is superfluous. No matter what anyone thinks there IS NO CURE for the bad choice of an individual. But please, keep on about how we emote our way out of this problem.

Yes, prosecuting the officer, actually all four officers who rested their weight on that poor man, is the only way to remedy the specific bad choices of those specific individuals.
And yes, officers will continue to make bad choices from time to time.
What you call emoting is not intended to eliminate bad choices for all time.
It is intended to help create a smoother social landscape so that future mistakes don't need to turn into riots.

This incident didn't need to turn into a riot, it's merely opportunists exploiting a tragedy. No smoothing of the landscape will prevent that from happening.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

The fix to this problem is to arrest and prosecute the cop who did the bad deed. Anything beyond that is superfluous. No matter what anyone thinks there IS NO CURE for the bad choice of an individual. But please, keep on about how we emote our way out of this problem.

This is a solution to, "it," the criminal act by the police officer, as well as modifying practices regarding restraint. This is not the solution to, "it," the feelings of racial injustice. Unfortunately, these two things are inexorably linked. Anything short of perfection from the police department is going to invoke the outrage of the progressive and black community, which is going to keep the cycle of resentment going.

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I applaud your first two paragraphs here  - but I'll go ahead and answer the question anyway. 

Missing the point that it's not about explaining away the problem with numbers that say incidents are not widespread. It's not about explaining it away by pointing out the way the issues are blown out of proportion. 
It's about recognizing and fixing the divide already caused by the sum total of all these things  -- racially motivated injustices, wrongful deaths, police brutality, the media's "disproportionalizing" of incidents,  and the room for improvement within our police forces however small it may be statistically. 

I'm just the guy over here yelling, "why is everyone trying to explain this away instead of fixing it?"

12 pages in and you've still yet to objectively isolate an it.  You have a right to feel however you want, but in order to have meaningful common citizenship there has to be a shared commitment to rational expressions of what is true.  Otherwise your nebulous "feelings" are NO DIFFERENT or more relevant than the feelings of a David Duke.

I've explained "it" to you multiple times. 12 pages in and you still can't read. 

"It" is :
The widespread national distrust of police resulting from injustices real and perceived between police and the African American/people of color citizenship of our country. 

It's a problem that will continually create more problems if ignored or treated with half-measures. 

Your last sentence may be the stupidest thing I've seen you post, but that's a high bar. 
I'm not posting my feelings at all except maybe when I insult you. *shrug*
I'm posting about an obvious issue that is a stark reality in America and what I deem as some practical first steps toward repairing it. 

This has zero to do with my feelings or your feelings unless you're someone of color who is disaffected as a result of watching that man get killed by a cop while begging for his life.  There are millions of such Americans. 

The charging/sentencing of the officers responsible is the obvious first step - but my little corner of the discussion moved past that pages ago. That will happen - it's a given.  We can only speculate that outcome now. 
 
I thought a post several pages ago suggesting good will reform measures would be an obvious "next step idea" to repairing "IT" but that suggestion has been met with a dozen posts declaring:

There isn't a problem
There's a problem but it's so tiny it doesn't matter
Racism doesn't really exist in America anymore
This wasn't about race
And a number of other 'head in the sand" responses that ignore a problem that isn't going away on it's own.

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Ugh. Please tell me he didn't tweet what you're suggesting. Also, could you please include the tweet here for those of us who don't care to go on Twitter?

Here you go. 

MAGA Party at the White House

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I'll play you in ping pong. 

Well, that's not as bad I imagined it. Still completely unnecessary.

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Interesting news from Minneapolis concerning rioters who were arrested:

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/12667...25284?s=20

So these are provocateurs. Antifa looks like everyone else now that masks are normalized.
And there's an entire generation of useful young idiots ready to become pawns of the globalists.
Every single one of them thinks they will be one of the "leaders" of the beautiful new social equality and doesn't see the contradiction.

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Ugh. Please tell me he didn't tweet what you're suggesting. Also, could you please include the tweet here for those of us who don't care to go on Twitter?

Here you go. 

MAGA Party at the White House

They looted the White House when Andrew Jackson was there. And it was with his invitation. Just throwing that out there.

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12 pages in and you've still yet to objectively isolate an it.  You have a right to feel however you want, but in order to have meaningful common citizenship there has to be a shared commitment to rational expressions of what is true.  Otherwise your nebulous "feelings" are NO DIFFERENT or more relevant than the feelings of a David Duke.

I've explained "it" to you multiple times. 12 pages in and you still can't read. 

"It" is :
  The widespread national distrust of police resulting from injustices real and perceived between police and the African American/people of color citizenship of our country. 

It's a problem that will continually create more problems if ignored or treated with half-measures. 

Your last sentence may be the stupidest thing I've seen you post, but that's a high bar. 
I'm not posting my feelings at all except maybe when I insult you. *shrug*
I'm posting about an obvious issue that is a stark reality in America and what I deem as some practical first steps toward repairing it. 

This has zero to do with my feelings or your feelings unless you're someone of color who is disaffected as a result of watching that man get killed by a cop while begging for his life.  There are millions of such Americans. 

The charging/sentencing of the officers responsible is the obvious first step - but my little corner of the discussion moved past that pages ago. That will happen - it's a given.  We can only speculate that outcome now. 
 
I thought a post several pages ago suggesting good will reform measures would be an obvious "next step idea" to repairing "IT" but that suggestion has been met with a dozen posts declaring:

There isn't a problem
There's a problem but it's so tiny it doesn't matter
Racism doesn't really exist in America anymore
This wasn't about race
And a number of other 'head in the sand" responses that ignore a problem that isn't going away on it's own.

I feel bad for you, you really think "training" and "public outreach" are going to stop the intentional inflammation of the agitators in politics and media. It won't.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I've explained "it" to you multiple times. 12 pages in and you still can't read. 

"It" is :
  The widespread national distrust of police resulting from injustices real and perceived between police and the African American/people of color citizenship of our country. 

It's a problem that will continually create more problems if ignored or treated with half-measures. 

Your last sentence may be the stupidest thing I've seen you post, but that's a high bar. 
I'm not posting my feelings at all except maybe when I insult you. *shrug*
I'm posting about an obvious issue that is a stark reality in America and what I deem as some practical first steps toward repairing it. 

This has zero to do with my feelings or your feelings unless you're someone of color who is disaffected as a result of watching that man get killed by a cop while begging for his life.  There are millions of such Americans. 

The charging/sentencing of the officers responsible is the obvious first step - but my little corner of the discussion moved past that pages ago. That will happen - it's a given.  We can only speculate that outcome now. 
 
I thought a post several pages ago suggesting good will reform measures would be an obvious "next step idea" to repairing "IT" but that suggestion has been met with a dozen posts declaring:

There isn't a problem
There's a problem but it's so tiny it doesn't matter
Racism doesn't really exist in America anymore
This wasn't about race
And a number of other 'head in the sand" responses that ignore a problem that isn't going away on it's own.

I feel bad for you, you really think "training" and "public outreach" are going to stop the intentional inflammation of the agitators in politics and media. It won't.

Don't get all up in your feelings. 

I'm fine. 

And I never said that. 

I said that reforming vetting and training is the first logical step.  (after trying the officers at fault for crimes)

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12 pages in and you've still yet to objectively isolate an it.  You have a right to feel however you want, but in order to have meaningful common citizenship there has to be a shared commitment to rational expressions of what is true.  Otherwise your nebulous "feelings" are NO DIFFERENT or more relevant than the feelings of a David Duke.

I've explained "it" to you multiple times. 12 pages in and you still can't read. 

"It" is :
  The widespread national distrust of police resulting from injustices real and perceived between police and the African American/people of color citizenship of our country. 

It's a problem that will continually create more problems if ignored or treated with half-measures. 

Your last sentence may be the stupidest thing I've seen you post, but that's a high bar. 
I'm not posting my feelings at all except maybe when I insult you. *shrug*
I'm posting about an obvious issue that is a stark reality in America and what I deem as some practical first steps toward repairing it. 

This has zero to do with my feelings or your feelings unless you're someone of color who is disaffected as a result of watching that man get killed by a cop while begging for his life.  There are millions of such Americans. 

The charging/sentencing of the officers responsible is the obvious first step - but my little corner of the discussion moved past that pages ago. That will happen - it's a given.  We can only speculate that outcome now. 
 
I thought a post several pages ago suggesting good will reform measures would be an obvious "next step idea" to repairing "IT" but that suggestion has been met with a dozen posts declaring:

There isn't a problem
There's a problem but it's so tiny it doesn't matter
Racism doesn't really exist in America anymore
This wasn't about race
And a number of other 'head in the sand" responses that ignore a problem that isn't going away on it's own.

Where to begin.  

Now, I and Lastmin42 have been criticized for trying to "explain things away with numbers," or "citing statistics until they become meaningless" etc.  Now, If you're someone operating in GOOD WILL then at some point, reality matters!  If we're having a discussion about policing in America then that means that you have to have an actual picture of what's going on in the country before you can decide A.) If there is a systemic problem and B.) how to change it.  Problems can be fixed.  People's perceptions/world view bias on the other hand is something that's completely different.  

In this case I have asked repeatedly, "what evidence is there that Race had anything to do with what happened?"  I'm not saying that it couldn't have had anything to do with it.  I am not saying that I am vouching for the character of the officer.  I have simply asked to show me the evidence!  If you can't show me the evidence of racial injustice in this case, then how can you reasonably link it to what you perceive as a larger systemic problem of racial injustice.  When it comes to your larger idea of racial injustice I simply ask again, Show me the evidence.  I have cited the numbers that show there is no such trend, LastMin42 has cited his stats.  Thomas Sowell, Black Economist, has written extensively on his analysis.  I posted the link to an article.  If we're to be a nation of common citizenship then that means that we have to be able to express and back up our positions in the arena of ideas to come to common consensus.  If you just want to shrink back into your world view or the narrative you find most cathartic then that's on you.  Just understand that's not having a rational position on an issue, that's clinging to your own prejudice.  That's unfortunately a sad part of human nature that is beyond common sense.  

If you don't want to talk about numbers then I'll bring it back to people.  We're twelve pages in, one city burned to the ground and riots spreading across the country because of "white supremacy" "institutional racism" "racial injustice" etc. and has anyone brought up the fact that two of the officers involved were minorities?  Anyone?  What about the fact that the police chief is a minority?  Is BLM blaring that from speakers?  What about the Mayor....  Minority.  Anyone talking about that?  What about the Samali immigrant congress woman who worships at the SJW altar?  Anyone?  What about the State Attorney General?  Black Muslim Male endorsed by the Democratic Socialists of America to be the head of the Democratic national convention.  Does that sound like a white supremacist institution to you?

The LIE about the protests is that black people, or minorities don't have a voice in America.  There are a lot of black people in particular who sacrificed against a bunch of odds to move into positions of power.  I may not agree with every position they hold, the role of the state, etc. etc. etc. but it never crossed my mind that Eric Holder or Lorreta Lynch were shills for the White supremacists, or that they were proliferating the oppression of black people.  The problem with the SJW left is that they use "racial injustice" as some nebulous amorphous term to mean anything they want at any time they want to transpose the emotion from any tragedy of sufficient national attention that happens to affect a minority to advance their political agenda.  Then when you point out that most if not all of the people involved in said tragedy were minorities or progressives "oh well you don't understand...  White supremacy is in the DNA of the country, the poor black police chief is hypnotized by the either of Jim Crow and because slavery and the middle passage etc. etc. etc."  There's no solution to that.  There's no common sense to that.  That's not about sense or reason, that's about advancing world view bias not discourse.  

In this case, it's not about "the police need more training" its not about "they need to screen more" etc. it should be about "Hey, we VOTED (at 90% plus) for Keith Ellison.  We voted for a Jewish Maoyor." Just let them do their JOBS!!!  This aint 1950 where the City Council met at the local KLAVERN!!!

BTW.  Anyone notice how even from the progressives they never say the solution is "hey listen, there's no way that someone outside our community is going to get in line before we do to take the badge and protect our community?"  Is TI saying that?  Kaepernick?  Killer Mike?  If you're going to go the black nationalism route at least go the masculine aggressive black nationalism route.

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All this talk about the number of African-Americans vs. whites shot by police miss the point. It's not about numbers across the country, one must look at concentrations of African-American populations where the disparities become more pronounced. Minneapolis is a perfect example.  

This is the perfect place to start.

A riot is the language of the unheard.

- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

I've explained "it" to you multiple times. 12 pages in and you still can't read. 

"It" is :
  The widespread national distrust of police resulting from injustices real and perceived between police and the African American/people of color citizenship of our country. 

It's a problem that will continually create more problems if ignored or treated with half-measures. 

Your last sentence may be the stupidest thing I've seen you post, but that's a high bar. 
I'm not posting my feelings at all except maybe when I insult you. *shrug*
I'm posting about an obvious issue that is a stark reality in America and what I deem as some practical first steps toward repairing it. 

This has zero to do with my feelings or your feelings unless you're someone of color who is disaffected as a result of watching that man get killed by a cop while begging for his life.  There are millions of such Americans. 

The charging/sentencing of the officers responsible is the obvious first step - but my little corner of the discussion moved past that pages ago. That will happen - it's a given.  We can only speculate that outcome now. 
 
I thought a post several pages ago suggesting good will reform measures would be an obvious "next step idea" to repairing "IT" but that suggestion has been met with a dozen posts declaring:

There isn't a problem
There's a problem but it's so tiny it doesn't matter
Racism doesn't really exist in America anymore
This wasn't about race
And a number of other 'head in the sand" responses that ignore a problem that isn't going away on it's own.

Where to begin.  
apparently by moving the goalposts... again

Now, I and Lastmin42 have been criticized for trying to "explain things away with numbers," or "citing statistics until they become meaningless" etc.  Now, If you're someone operating in GOOD WILL then at some point, reality matters!  If we're having a discussion about policing in America...
 I was having a conversation about repairing the large scale mistrust between p.o.c. in America and our police forces, or did you miss that for the ninth [BLEEP] time. 

then that means that you have to have an actual picture of what's going on   it's already been outlined ad infinitum, thanks in the country before you can decide A.) If there is a systemic problem and B.) how to change it.  Problems can be fixed.  People's perceptions/world view bias on the other hand is something that's completely different.  

In this case I have asked repeatedly, "what evidence is there that Race had anything to do with what happened?" DOES NOT [BLEEP] ING MATTER  - The damage is already done.  I'm not saying that it couldn't have had anything to do with it.  I am not saying that I am vouching for the character of the officer.  I have simply asked to show me the evidence!  If you can't show me the evidence of racial injustice in this case, then how can you reasonably link it to what you perceive as a larger systemic problem of racial injustice.  When it comes to your larger idea of racial injustice I simply ask again, Show me the evidence.  I have cited the numbers that show there is no such trend, LastMin42 has cited his stats.  Thomas Sowell, Black Economist, has written extensively on his analysis.  I posted the link to an article.  If we're to be a nation of common citizenship then that means that we have to be able to express and back up our positions in the arena of ideas to come to common consensus.  If you just want to shrink back into your world view or the narrative you find most cathartic then that's on you.  Just understand that's not having a rational position on an issue, that's clinging to your own prejudice.  That's unfortunately a sad part of human nature that is beyond common sense.  

If you don't want to talk about numbers then I'll bring it back to people.  We're twelve pages in, one city burned to the ground and riots spreading across the country because of "white supremacy" "institutional racism" "racial injustice" etc. and has anyone brought up the fact that two of the officers involved were minorities?  Anyone?  What about the fact that the police chief is a minority?  Is BLM blaring that from speakers?  What about the Mayor....  Minority.  Anyone talking about that?  What about the Samali immigrant congress woman who worships at the SJW altar?  Anyone?  What about the State Attorney General?  Black Muslim Male endorsed by the Democratic Socialists of America to be the head of the Democratic national convention.  Does that sound like a white supremacist institution to you? I never peeped a word about any of the crap you're asserting here. I used the term racial injustice and also said it's occurrence was much less than perceived. None of that other stuff. Sounds like paranoid conspiracy theory nut-job material to me.  

The LIE about the protests is that black people, or minorities don't have a voice in America.  There are a lot of black people in particular who sacrificed against a bunch of odds to move into positions of power.  I may not agree with every position they hold, the role of the state, etc. etc. etc. but it never crossed my mind that Eric Holder or Lorreta Lynch were shills for the White supremacists, or that they were proliferating the oppression of black people.  The problem with the SJW left is that they use "racial injustice" as some nebulous amorphous term to mean anything they want at any time they want to transpose the emotion from any tragedy of sufficient national attention that happens to affect a minority to advance their political agenda.  Then when you point out that most if not all of the people involved in said tragedy were minorities or progressives "oh well you don't understand...  White supremacy is in the DNA of the country, the poor black police chief is hypnotized by the either of Jim Crow and because slavery and the middle passage etc. etc. etc."  There's no solution to that.  There's no common sense to that.  That's not about sense or reason, that's about advancing world view bias not discourse.  

In this case, it's not about "the police need more training" its not about "they need to screen more" etc. it should be about "Hey, we VOTED (at 90% plus) for Keith Ellison.  We voted for a Jewish Maoyor." Just let them do their JOBS!!!  This aint 1950 where the City Council met at the local KLAVERN!!!
Hot take ^  (Weird, but hot)

BTW.  Anyone notice how even from the progressives they never say the solution is "hey listen, there's no way that someone outside our community is going to get in line before we do to take the badge and protect our community?"  Is TI saying that?  Kaepernick?  Killer Mike?  If you're going to go the black nationalism route at least go the masculine aggressive black nationalism route. No idea where do begin with this tough guy routine. ^ 

Comments in red. 

You can keep just talking about something different than what I'm talking about  - and then pretending that's what I was talking about --- but it's really lame.

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Portland, Seattle, Atlanta, DC, NYC. Police stand down while "protesters" loot and burn. This is a coordinated effort involving these city governments and international terrorist groups. It's not about George Floyd or cops or racism; it's about destroying America because they can't handle four more years of Orange Man.

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Why would Democrat leaders allow Antifa to burn their cities down?
Ask Minnesota Attorney General [D] Keith Ellison:

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All this talk about the number of African-Americans vs. whites shot by police miss the point. It's not about numbers across the country, one must look at concentrations of African-American populations where the disparities become more pronounced. Minneapolis is a perfect example.  

This is the perfect place to start.

A riot is the language of the unheard.

- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

How are you unheard when the State AG is African American?

I'll ask again, Do NFL defensive back coaches hate white people?

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I'll ask again, Do NFL defensive back coaches hate white people?

I have no idea why you think you are being cute with that continuous question. You’re not.

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Where to begin.  
apparently by moving the goalposts... again

Now, I and Lastmin42 have been criticized for trying to "explain things away with numbers," or "citing statistics until they become meaningless" etc.  Now, If you're someone operating in GOOD WILL then at some point, reality matters!  If we're having a discussion about policing in America...
 I was having a conversation about repairing the large scale mistrust between p.o.c. in America and our police forces, or did you miss that for the ninth [BLEEP] time. 

then that means that you have to have an actual picture of what's going on   it's already been outlined ad infinitum, thanks in the country before you can decide A.) If there is a systemic problem and B.) how to change it.  Problems can be fixed.  People's perceptions/world view bias on the other hand is something that's completely different.  

In this case I have asked repeatedly, "what evidence is there that Race had anything to do with what happened?" DOES NOT [BLEEP] ING MATTER  - The damage is already done.  I'm not saying that it couldn't have had anything to do with it.  I am not saying that I am vouching for the character of the officer.  I have simply asked to show me the evidence!  If you can't show me the evidence of racial injustice in this case, then how can you reasonably link it to what you perceive as a larger systemic problem of racial injustice.  When it comes to your larger idea of racial injustice I simply ask again, Show me the evidence.  I have cited the numbers that show there is no such trend, LastMin42 has cited his stats.  Thomas Sowell, Black Economist, has written extensively on his analysis.  I posted the link to an article.  If we're to be a nation of common citizenship then that means that we have to be able to express and back up our positions in the arena of ideas to come to common consensus.  If you just want to shrink back into your world view or the narrative you find most cathartic then that's on you.  Just understand that's not having a rational position on an issue, that's clinging to your own prejudice.  That's unfortunately a sad part of human nature that is beyond common sense.  

If you don't want to talk about numbers then I'll bring it back to people.  We're twelve pages in, one city burned to the ground and riots spreading across the country because of "white supremacy" "institutional racism" "racial injustice" etc. and has anyone brought up the fact that two of the officers involved were minorities?  Anyone?  What about the fact that the police chief is a minority?  Is BLM blaring that from speakers?  What about the Mayor....  Minority.  Anyone talking about that?  What about the Samali immigrant congress woman who worships at the SJW altar?  Anyone?  What about the State Attorney General?  Black Muslim Male endorsed by the Democratic Socialists of America to be the head of the Democratic national convention.  Does that sound like a white supremacist institution to you? I never peeped a word about any of the crap you're asserting here. I used the term racial injustice and also said it's occurrence was much less than perceived. None of that other stuff. Sounds like paranoid conspiracy theory nut-job material to me.  

The LIE about the protests is that black people, or minorities don't have a voice in America.  There are a lot of black people in particular who sacrificed against a bunch of odds to move into positions of power.  I may not agree with every position they hold, the role of the state, etc. etc. etc. but it never crossed my mind that Eric Holder or Lorreta Lynch were shills for the White supremacists, or that they were proliferating the oppression of black people.  The problem with the SJW left is that they use "racial injustice" as some nebulous amorphous term to mean anything they want at any time they want to transpose the emotion from any tragedy of sufficient national attention that happens to affect a minority to advance their political agenda.  Then when you point out that most if not all of the people involved in said tragedy were minorities or progressives "oh well you don't understand...  White supremacy is in the DNA of the country, the poor black police chief is hypnotized by the either of Jim Crow and because slavery and the middle passage etc. etc. etc."  There's no solution to that.  There's no common sense to that.  That's not about sense or reason, that's about advancing world view bias not discourse.  

In this case, it's not about "the police need more training" its not about "they need to screen more" etc. it should be about "Hey, we VOTED (at 90% plus) for Keith Ellison.  We voted for a Jewish Maoyor." Just let them do their JOBS!!!  This aint 1950 where the City Council met at the local KLAVERN!!!
Hot take ^  (Weird, but hot)

BTW.  Anyone notice how even from the progressives they never say the solution is "hey listen, there's no way that someone outside our community is going to get in line before we do to take the badge and protect our community?"  Is TI saying that?  Kaepernick?  Killer Mike?  If you're going to go the black nationalism route at least go the masculine aggressive black nationalism route. No idea where do begin with this tough guy routine. ^ 

Comments in red. 

You can keep just talking about something different than what I'm talking about  - and then pretending that's what I was talking about --- but it's really lame.

Way to respond in Good faith.  

Again, you say "there is mistrust between black Americans and the police."  Ok.  Is that mistrust based on perception or is it based on material fact.  I and others have pointed out that in reality, its not based on fact.  It's based on a false perception.  When a lack of trust is about false perception and not a material fact then the only way to re-establish trust is to divorce people from a false premise!  

You keep saying "well vet people better"  and then when i ask "prove this incident had anything to do with race" you say that proof or reason or the actual connection of this incident to racial injustice is IRRELEVANT?  That makes NO SENSE.  If you're vetting for something that isn't a contributing factor to an underlying problem, or in this case a lack there of, then its not going to change anything.  And when it doesn't change anything then that means that there will be another incident that occurs and the false premise is still in tact. I think that your resistance to factual analysis has less to do with your legitimate belief in its relevance and a lot more to do with your love of the underlying premise and how it serves your world view.

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I'll ask again, Do NFL defensive back coaches hate white people?

I have no idea why you think you are being cute with that continuous question. You’re not.

It's not about being cute.  It's a legitimate question.  It's extremely pertinent to the greater idea of disparate impact and if that, in fact, is evidence of an external racial bias.  The greater theory of racial injustice in the criminal justice system is predicated on the idea that a disproportionate number of blacks are incarcerated or targeted by the police.  Why are so few people asking the basic questions to prove or disprove the underlying premise that is ripping our country apart?

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Why would Democrat leaders allow Antifa to burn their cities down?
Ask Minnesota Attorney General [D] Keith Ellison:

If MN's criminal justice system is anything like FL's, the state AG is supposed to defer to the locally elected prosecutors in local criminal justice matters, unless the local guys or the governor directs an intervention.

The riots had already started before any arrest was made.  The four cops should have been rotting in jail cells awaiting their indictment the moment the first video went viral.  That it didn't happen that way isn't necessarily Keith Ellison's fault, though, he may be trying to agitate from the inside.  We don't know.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Comments in red. 

You can keep just talking about something different than what I'm talking about  - and then pretending that's what I was talking about --- but it's really lame.

Way to respond in Good faith.  

Again, you say "there is mistrust between black Americans and the police."  Ok.  Is that mistrust based on perception or is it based on material fact.  I and others have pointed out that in reality, its not based on fact.  It's based on a false perception.  When a lack of trust is about false perception and not a material fact then the only way to re-establish trust is to divorce people from a false premise!  

You keep saying "well vet people better"  and then when i ask "prove this incident had anything to do with race" you say that proof or reason or the actual connection of this incident to racial injustice is IRRELEVANT?  That makes NO SENSE.  If you're vetting for something that isn't a contributing factor to an underlying problem, or in this case a lack there of, then its not going to change anything.  And when it doesn't change anything then that means that there will be another incident that occurs and the false premise is still in tact. I think that your resistance to factual analysis has less to do with your legitimate belief in its relevance and a lot more to do with your love of the underlying premise and how it serves your world view.

Ultimately, the disagreement boils down to the part in bold. You say you have 'pointed it out', but you really haven't, and there is no way you can in the face of masses of evidence to the contrary. All your cherry-picked statistics cannot point out something that is clearly not the case. I could throw hundreds of statistics at you to 'point out' the opposite... But what's the point?

In the end, when we look back on this era in many years time, you guys will be on the wrong side of history, just as those who fought against civil rights were. I'm sure that thought doesn't make you happy at all, and ultimately makes people stick their heads in the sand even more. But that's the way it is.

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