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Knee to the neck in Minneapolis
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This sickens me to my stomach. The suspect threw one right hook, a very weak attempt at one, and the officers quickly pinned his arm back down and immobilized him. Good. What's not good is pinning him down and punching him repeatedly while he's on the ground and neutralized. At some point, it goes from justifiable use of force to what should be a few felony charges, and I hope it ends with a couple of dirty pigs living amongst the criminals they put in prison with them.
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(05-30-2020, 11:51 PM)TJBender Wrote: This sickens me to my stomach. The suspect threw one right hook, a very weak attempt at one, and the officers quickly pinned his arm back down and immobilized him. Good. What's not good is pinning him down and punching him repeatedly while he's on the ground and neutralized. At some point, it goes from justifiable use of force to what should be a few felony charges, and I hope it ends with a couple of dirty pigs living amongst the criminals they put in prison with them. Now do this one... is your ANTIFA mask being dry cleaned TJ? BREAKING: man critically injured at Dallas riots It appears he attempted to defend a shop with a large sword Looters ran at him, then he charged rioters They then beat him with a skateboard and stoned him with medium sized rocks I called an Ambulance and it’s on the way https://t.co/kFxl3kjsBC
Another victory of the Trump administration will finally he officially naming ANTIFA what they are, a domestic terrorist group.
(05-31-2020, 12:12 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:(05-30-2020, 11:51 PM)TJBender Wrote: This sickens me to my stomach. The suspect threw one right hook, a very weak attempt at one, and the officers quickly pinned his arm back down and immobilized him. Good. What's not good is pinning him down and punching him repeatedly while he's on the ground and neutralized. At some point, it goes from justifiable use of force to what should be a few felony charges, and I hope it ends with a couple of dirty pigs living amongst the criminals they put in prison with them. My Antifa mask? Know what, enjoy life through your white-colored MAGA glasses. And for what it's worth, if someone charges me with a sword, they're getting shot.
While I am here, I want to address the self righteous finger wagging from the right about the unrest we are currently experiencing throughout the country.
Throughout this country's history, we tried the non violent route against those of you who refused to offer us the same courtesy. In the 60s, Dr. Martin Luther King preached non violence and African Americans followed his lead. He was greeted with fire hoses, german shepherds, biilly clubs, axe handles, jailing, FBI surveillance, character assassination and ultimately, actual assassination. To this day, some 52 or so years later, people continue to call him a communist womanizer. Also during the Civil Rights era, there were black olympians who won medals who gave raised fists on the medal platform-a silent form of political expression. They were stripped of their medals. Kaepernick silently kneeled on the sidelines-even consulted with a former Green Beret, on how to best express displeasure over the extrajudicial killings of African Americans by police and others who wrongfully asserted some sort of authority. He too was vilified by the right. He was called a traitor, disrespectful, and players who knelt were called sons of [BLEEP] by the racist in chief, urged to leave the country and blackballed from the league. But throughout that time, those on the right offered no constructive criticism regarding how African Americans should express dissent. I know I have asked numerous times over the years and have received no answer, other than to be called an "outside agitator" (despite at the time living here almost 30 years, and being told in myriad ways to shut up, some by past members of the earlier iteration of this board. As unfortunate as these things were, they don't tell the complete story. A few years back, the overwhelmingly white Bundy militia were protesting the government's imposition of a grazing fee. When the government tried to collect on years of unpaid grazing fees from the Bundy's, his heavily armed supporters trained high caliber weapons upon the federal law enforcement from strategic points surrounding the scene. Notably absent from the conservative discussion were the talk of noncompliance. Non compliance with directives from law enforcement was the blanket justification used to excuse the police killings of various African Americans. Hannity and others on the right labeld them as heroes. There were no shootings by law enforcement. There were no fire hoses or tear gas deployed. More recently, groups of armed white "militia men," some flying Nazi and Confederate flags, stormed state government buildings in Michigan. They were belligerent towards law enforcement. They too, were hailed as heroes by the right. They received encouragement by the bastard in the white house. Notably absent from the discourse were assaults on the patriotism of the Nazi and confederate flag fliers, even though they represented entities that actually waged war against the United States, killing thousands of American soldiers. The right was silent on the disrespect of the military they alleged Kaepernick and the kneeling NFL players displayed. There was no talk about the lack of deference towards law enforcement. Just adulation. Taken together the message from the right is tacit but clear... the conclusion iinescapable: the African American First Amendment right to peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances is inferior to those of the white man to that of the white man to redress grievances- peacably or otherwise-if it exists at all. I reject any paradigm reflecting that. Hell, you guys are taking up arms because you can't get haircuts or having to wear masks during a pandemic. Certainly you would be furious if anyone suggested your first amendment rights are not to be respected. Accordingly, those who do not acknowledge the blatant hypocrisy in those dissonant stances have lost any moral high ground to dictate how Americans express dissent. (05-30-2020, 10:57 PM)JagJohn Wrote:Thank you.(05-30-2020, 10:44 PM)Bullseye Wrote: Your take is nave at best, disingenuous at worst, and in very little sense acquainted with reality. As to your closing sentiments, I am not so hopeful or optimistic about this country's future. Anther lesson learned when comparing the disparate responses to African American peaceful dissent of police brutality and white dissent towards the government is to avoid negative results from law enforcement, it may be better for African American to walk around in large groups of heavily and conspicuously armed individuals. That I am even considering this should speak volumes. https://www.tmz.com/2020/05/30/salt-lake...gKSAxquodY Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!
We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (05-31-2020, 12:49 AM)Bullseye Wrote: While I am here, I want to address the self righteous finger wagging from the right about the unrest we are currently experiencing throughout the country. It undoubtedly does speak volumes, and for me it represents a change in thinking as powerful as anything else I've seen over the last few days. As for my feelings about how the tide is slowly turning, I do not mean this in any short term view. I have discussed this amongst like-minded friends and also faced argument, so I respect your view entirely, but I still believe the big-picture arc of history continues to move towards social justice. I still believe that in 100 years time we will look back at this time as another turning point in history. I really hope I'm not naive on that point, but I don't discount the possibility, especially considering the events of the last 5 years or so.
James Surowiecki (@JamesSurowiecki) Tweeted:
Camden, over the past 5 yrs, has invested heavily in de-escalation training and adopted a use-of-force policy that's been called the most progressive in the U.S., one that stresses that force should only be used as a last resort. This is one result of that. https://twitter.com/JamesSurowiecki/stat...11239?s=20 (05-30-2020, 11:51 PM)TJBender Wrote: This sickens me to my stomach. The suspect threw one right hook, a very weak attempt at one, and the officers quickly pinned his arm back down and immobilized him. Good. What's not good is pinning him down and punching him repeatedly while he's on the ground and neutralized. At some point, it goes from justifiable use of force to what should be a few felony charges, and I hope it ends with a couple of dirty pigs living amongst the criminals they put in prison with them. Not with u on this one. Fighting police is a stupid idea. (05-31-2020, 01:27 AM)JagJohn Wrote: James Surowiecki (@JamesSurowiecki) Tweeted: In Minneapolis they surrendered a police precinct. Where did that get us? #factsfirst (05-30-2020, 10:00 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: Just so I am clear, we are through social distancing now that the democrats have found their next talkikg point? Pretty much. (05-31-2020, 12:49 AM)Bullseye Wrote: While I am here, I want to address the self righteous finger wagging from the right about the unrest we are currently experiencing throughout the country. As to the question "has racism been eliminated in America" that's frankly a silly question. Unfortunately, we are nations of men. On every corner of the earth in every direction there are expressions of hate, malice, bias, racism, apathy, sadism etc. That's not unique to this country, that's intrinsic to the human condition. That's why governments are made among men to protect the rights of the citizens there in. The concept of common citizenship is based on the pursuit of the ideals of common justice in OPPOSITION to our fallen natures. Over the last 160 years that common pursuit has lead to the single most diverse and dynamic population on of any nation on earth. But if we take any incident that negatively affects someone who "looks like us" as an excuse to try and relitigate past grievances then that's a betrayal of those common ideals and an embrace of the kind of tribalism that you claim to despise. And if you advocate aggression against innocent people because of what you perceive as a slight against your tribe, then how are you any different than the guy from the 60's in a white hood? We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (05-30-2020, 10:44 PM)Bullseye Wrote: But accepting, at face value your ludicrous assertion that most racism ended circa 1970 with the passage of the Civil Rights laws, it doesn't address the lingering effect that pre 1970 discrimination has. A key to wealth accumulation is the acquisition of real property. With redlining, the ability of African Americans to have access to loans to start businesses and acquire houses was constrained. Furthermore, to the extent African Americans could obtain mortgages, their options were limited to areas with suppressed property values. That limited generational wealth. Furthermore the fact that it took a series of comprehensive federal legislation and Supreme Court decisions (Not traditional notions of common human decency or Christian values) to eliminate racism from the country speaks volumes. I just had to circle back to this point. The greatest indication of success is structure of the family. Right now around 90% of Asian children are raised in two parent households, 72% of whites 51% of Hispanic Americans and only 27% of blacks. in the early 60's that number was around 80%. The left likes to ask how centuries of slavery have affected the back community, but they refuse to question how we have been affected by 60 years of liberal policies. As to traditional notions of common human decency or values, that's an insult to all those who of their own volition fought and died for the ideal of common freedom since the inception of this country, specifically those who don't look like us who died in their teens to reunite the union, advance civil rights, oppose the ideals of past generations and embrace people who were different. And ultimately, the decisions of the supreme court and the legislation passed (starting with the slave amendments through the 60's) were a reflection of the economic realities won by black Americans that sacraficed more than you and I will ever know to bring forth talent, goods and services that created demand from every ilk in this country.
Odd, there was a peaceful protest in Jacksonville that ended without a problem, then the bull [BLEEP] started. Somehow JSO had the wherewithal to allow what they should've and to attempt to end what they should've. If only they'd have let a full scale riot ensue and burn down our city they might have earned some of y'alls approval. Well, get them some more training for next time!
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato
(05-31-2020, 12:23 AM)TJBender Wrote:(05-31-2020, 12:12 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: Now do this one... is your ANTIFA mask being dry cleaned TJ? He was trying to defend his business. What side are you on here?
What a complete waste, here you had a case where EVERYONE agreed was a clear case of police brutality. Heck even Rush Limbaugh was saying this was criminal and absolutely had to be persecuted to the fullest extent of the law. For the first time you had Republicans, Democrats, young, old, white and black all on the same damn side. All four cops are arrested and charged the system is in the process of working, what’s the response? Burn half the [BLEEP] country down!
What the he’ll does Jacksonville have to do with This? An officer just had his throat slashed, your trying to justify that? Private business many of which minority owned are being destroyed and looted your trying to justify this? This isn’t a revolution, it’s not a turning of the tide, it’s pathetic that’s what it is. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
(05-31-2020, 09:10 AM)EricC85 Wrote: What a complete waste, here you had a case where EVERYONE agreed was a clear case of police brutality. Heck even Rush Limbaugh was saying this was criminal and absolutely had to be persecuted to the fullest extent of the law. For the first time you had Republicans, Democrats, young, old, white and black all on the same damn side. All four cops are arrested and charged the system is in the process of working, what’s the response? Burn half the [BLEEP] country down! Don't worry, there's some who will be here in a few minutes to defend the slasher and his right to "protest" as he sees fit. (05-31-2020, 08:29 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:(05-31-2020, 12:23 AM)TJBender Wrote: My Antifa mask? Know what, enjoy life through your white-colored MAGA glasses. That's seems to be rhetorical question in light of recent posts. “An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato
Minnesota Governor Tim Walz's daughter Hope is sharing confidential info about National Guard troop movements with her Antifa buddies.
Is the entire Minnesota government working for Antifa? https://twitter.com/storm_chaser82/statu...9021549574
(05-30-2020, 11:51 PM)TJBender Wrote: This sickens me to my stomach. The suspect threw one right hook, a very weak attempt at one, and the officers quickly pinned his arm back down and immobilized him. Good. What's not good is pinning him down and punching him repeatedly while he's on the ground and neutralized. At some point, it goes from justifiable use of force to what should be a few felony charges, and I hope it ends with a couple of dirty pigs living amongst the criminals they put in prison with them. You have no idea what happened there. I hope they beat his [BLEEP]. “An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato
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[BLEEP] all this. [BLEEP] everyone who wants to say there’s no racism involved. [BLEEP] everyone who’s of the opinion that anyone with a differing opinion is a terrorist. [BLEEP] MAGA, [BLEEP] BLM, [BLEEP] looters, [BLEEP] pigs. If something as simple as acknowledging that, you know, maybe it’s not ok for civilians to chase down and murder a man, or that it’s not ok for a cop to kneel on someone’s throat for eight minutes, or that it’s not ok for a government to systematically ignore 10% of its own population, if all of those concepts are either foreign to you or somehow the work of Antifa, then I’ll pray for you, and that’s the nicest thing I have to say to you. I’m sick of this echo chamber. Might as well just call it the Hannity Forum.
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(05-31-2020, 11:53 AM)TJBender Wrote: [BLEEP] all this. [BLEEP] everyone who wants to say there’s no racism involved. [BLEEP] everyone who’s of the opinion that anyone with a differing opinion is a terrorist. [BLEEP] MAGA, [BLEEP] BLM, [BLEEP] looters, [BLEEP] pigs. If something as simple as acknowledging that, you know, maybe it’s not ok for civilians to chase down and murder a man, or that it’s not ok for a cop to kneel on someone’s throat for eight minutes, or that it’s not ok for a government to systematically ignore 10% of its own population, if all of those concepts are either foreign to you or somehow the work of Antifa, then I’ll pray for you, and that’s the nicest thing I have to say to you. I’m sick of this echo chamber. Might as well just call it the Hannity Forum. It's not ok for those guys to kill the jogger. It's not ok for the cop to cause that man's death. It's also not ok to burn down our cities, rob our neighbors, and attack our police officers because those things happened. “An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato
(05-31-2020, 12:01 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:I agree.(05-31-2020, 11:53 AM)TJBender Wrote: [BLEEP] all this. [BLEEP] everyone who wants to say there’s no racism involved. [BLEEP] everyone who’s of the opinion that anyone with a differing opinion is a terrorist. [BLEEP] MAGA, [BLEEP] BLM, [BLEEP] looters, [BLEEP] pigs. If something as simple as acknowledging that, you know, maybe it’s not ok for civilians to chase down and murder a man, or that it’s not ok for a cop to kneel on someone’s throat for eight minutes, or that it’s not ok for a government to systematically ignore 10% of its own population, if all of those concepts are either foreign to you or somehow the work of Antifa, then I’ll pray for you, and that’s the nicest thing I have to say to you. I’m sick of this echo chamber. Might as well just call it the Hannity Forum. It’s also not Ok to blame everything bad that happens on a certain political party which is exactly what happens on this board. |
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