But we had no fourth round pick, so someone else could have beat us to him before our next pick. That probably is why Gene Smith reached for him.

And that would have been a horrible loss  :teehee:

 

Punter is the second least important position in football.  Second, because Long Snapper exists.  

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

Not one like Bryan Anger. He actually was projected to go as high as the third round. Any other punter would have been a reach.

 

Oh, come off it JW.  Picking a punter in the third is like choosing to eat Burger King when you have the option of the best Italian restaurant in town.  You can always have Burger KIng later.

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Oh, come off it JW.  Picking a punter in the third is like choosing to eat Burger King when you have the option of the best Italian restaurant in town.  You can always have Burger KIng later.

 

You want the best punter in the draft if you can get him and need a punter.

 

If we had a fourth round pick, I guarantee you Gene Smith would have waited until then to pick him.

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You want the best punter in the draft if you can get him and need a punter.

 

If we had a fourth round pick, I guarantee you Gene Smith would have waited until then to pick him.

 

No you don't want the best punter in the draft if you can get him and need a punter.

 

The difference between an average punter and a great punter is pretty small.  

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

No you don't want the best punter in the draft if you can get him and need a punter.

 

The difference between an average punter and a great punter is pretty small.  

 

We have to agree to disagree on that one.

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We have to agree to disagree on that one.

 

If you draft a PUNTER in round 3, he better be the best dang punter in the freaking NFL.  Anger isn't.  It was a terrible reach.  Literally one of the worst draft moves I can remember in recent history.

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We have to agree to disagree on that one.

The difference between the team with the best punting this year, and the average punting was 3.8 yards per punt. The difference between the top punting team and bottom punting team was 8.8 yards per punt.  

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

Double edged sword, as QBs have the highest bust rate as well.

 

http://grantland.com/features/how-tell-w...-valuable/

 

That's why the value QB picks in this draft make the most sense, since this crop is so bad, and so badly overrated (at least at the top.)

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

But we had no fourth round pick, so someone else could have beat us to him before our next pick. That probably is why Gene Smith reached for him.

There must be something seriously wrong with you in the head

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Double edged sword, as QBs have the highest bust rate as well.

 

http://grantland.com/features/how-tell-w...-valuable/

 

That's why the value QB picks in this draft make the most sense, since this crop is so bad, and so badly overrated (at least at the top.)

 

The article even explains that their metric to measure QB's is unfair.

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

If you draft a PUNTER in round 3, he better be the best dang punter in the freaking NFL. Anger isn't. It was a terrible reach. Literally one of the worst draft moves I can remember in recent history.

 

It was not nearly as bad as most other draft picks by Gene Smith because he is actually a good punter. He was a horrible drafter. Why do people act like that pick was worse than Isaac, Underwood, or Prosinski, who are not good at all? He may not be third round good, but he is a much better punter than those guys were at their positions.

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There must be something seriously wrong with you in the head

 

I am only guessing, OK? Do you have a problem with that?

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The difference between the team with the best punting this year, and the average punting was 3.8 yards per punt. The difference between the top punting team and bottom punting team was 8.8 yards per punt.  

 

I meant the other part of your post. I think no matter what position you fill, you should get the best available player at that position.

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The article even explains that their metric to measure QB's is unfair.

 

That's the harsh reality, though isn't it?  They are put on a pedestal and expected to produce.

 

It is what it is.  And that's exactly what folks will expect... no, DEMAND from whoever we draft this season.

 

I say hang on for the ride, because I don't expect us to find a savior at QB this year no matter who we draft.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

That's the harsh reality, though isn't it?  They are put on a pedestal and expected to produce.

 

It is what it is.  And that's exactly what folks will expect... no, DEMAND from whoever we draft this season.

 

I say hang on for the ride, because I don't expect us to find a savior at QB this year no matter who we draft.

 

What we should not expect is Robert Griffin's success (winning a division title) from our rookie quarterback. But if a player is projected to go in the top five he is expected to be the quarterback when we go back to the playoffs - whether it is next season, next calendar year, or later in his career - for a good reason.

 

If we draft a quarterback at #3 overall, I expect the Jaguars to get back in the playoffs within five years. If we wait until the second round, I will be the angriest Jaguars fan.

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What we should not expect is Robert Griffin's success (winning a division title) from our rookie quarterback. But if a player is projected to go in the top five he is expected to be the quarterback when we go back to the playoffs - whether it is next season, next calendar year, or later in his career - for a good reason.

 

If we draft a quarterback at #3 overall, I expect the Jaguars to get back in the playoffs within five years. If we wait until the second round, I will be the angriest Jaguars fan.

 

That line of thinking leads to Gabbert selections instead of Kaepernick selections.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

That line of thinking leads to Gabbert selections instead of Kaepernick selections.

 

Everyone overrated Blaine Gabbert except the Titans, who overrated Jake Locker, and Redskins. There was no elite quarterback in the 2011 draft, so only Cam Newton was not a reach. 

 

Colin Kaepernick is good now, but he needed a year and a half to learn behind Alex Smith and has a lower ceiling than Andrew Luck.

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Everyone overrated Blaine Gabbert except the Titans, who overrated Jake Locker, and Redskins. There was no elite quarterback in the 2011 draft, so only Cam Newton was not a reach. 

 

Colin Kaepernick is good now, but he needed a year and a half to learn behind Alex Smith and has a lower ceiling than Andrew Luck.

 

Many folks are beginning to admit that they don't feel there are any elite QB in this draft.

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/19567...s-it-seems

 

This backs what Russ Lande stated in a radio interview with Dempsey on 1010xl recently.  Re: Bridgewater, the scouts he's talked to like him but didn't love him.  They aren't sold that he's top 10 material.  He went on to say he hasn't found a scout yet who says there's a single premier/franchise candidate in this draft class (and the only one mentioned as the closest is Manziel.)

 

Therefore, can't you realize that the exact same thing very well could be happening all over again with this QB crop?  Skip the false prophets at the top, opt for QBs later who are better value, and continue to look for your franchise QB instead of making a bet you can't afford to make by settling on one (by forcing that pick with a reach) in 2014.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

I was only rebutting the claim that no Super Bowl participant got there because of later round picks. Of course I believe the first round is extremely important.

No one made that claim.

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Many folks are beginning to admit that they don't feel there are any elite QB in this draft.

 

This backs what Russ Lande stated in a radio interview with Dempsey on 1010xl recently.  Re: Bridgewater, the scouts he's talked to like him but didn't love him.  They aren't sold that he's top 10 material.  He went on to say he hasn't found a scout yet who says there's a single premier/franchise candidate in this draft class (and the only one mentioned as the closest is Manziel.)

 

Therefore, can't you realize that the exact same thing very well could be happening all over again with this QB crop?  Skip the false prophets at the top, opt for QBs later who are better value, and continue to look for your franchise QB instead of making a bet you can't afford to make by settling on one (by forcing that pick with a reach) in 2014.

 

I started a thread a while back about an AFC scout saying Teddy Bridgewater is not a first rounder. The only complaint that got a lot of attention was Louisville lied about his weight (which is not a big deal if he can bulk up before the draft).

 

When Russ Lande says he has not found a single scout yet, he needs to tell people how many scouts he talked to. Until he does, his words hold no weight.

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