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Kane · 10-05-2020, 10:19 AM

(10-04-2020, 08:50 PM)Eric1 Wrote: "We don't need Ngakoue, we have Allen" LOLLOLOLOLOLOLOL

And to think there are people on here who actually believe that bull [BLEEP].

Think we're missing Campbell more than Yan at this point. He could line up inside and get pressure and push the pocket. We're getting none of that right now from our DTs.
But I don't think missing Yan is helping either.

Mikey · 10-05-2020, 11:17 AM

(10-04-2020, 06:02 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: Chaisson has played a lot, he just doesn't do anything.

I can't help but wonder if Calais could be teaching him a thing or two. I don't think Allen is savvy enough yet to be teaching rooks the ins and outs of beating the veteran linemen.

Minshew Mania · 10-05-2020, 01:28 PM

(10-05-2020, 11:17 AM)Mikey Wrote:
(10-04-2020, 06:02 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: Chaisson has played a lot, he just doesn't do anything.

I can't help but wonder if Calais could be teaching him a thing or two. I don't think Allen is savvy enough yet to be teaching rooks the ins and outs of beating the veteran linemen.

Allen is too busy getting 4 sets of hands in his face. If Ngakoue, Ramsey, Campbell and Bouye were on this team we'd be 3-1 for sure. I'm only counting the Titans game as a loss, not because of how the game went but because we always lose to the Titans.

iHaunting Raven · 10-05-2020, 01:47 PM

(10-05-2020, 11:17 AM)Mikey Wrote:
(10-04-2020, 06:02 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: Chaisson has played a lot, he just doesn't do anything.

I can't help but wonder if Calais could be teaching him a thing or two. I don't think Allen is savvy enough yet to be teaching rooks the ins and outs of beating the veteran linemen.

That was another reason why I wanted to keep Calais, to help Chaisson.

I mean, imo there is a good side in both trading him and in keeping him

Trade him

We get an extra pick
We probably lose more lol and we get better picks in the draft. Let's be honest, even with Calais we wouldn't make the playoffs.
We free some cap space

Keep him

We have more leadership
We have a good player that provides inside pass rush
We have a mentor for Chaisson and Allen

I am a fan, not a cheerleader.

Eric1 · 10-05-2020, 04:58 PM

(10-05-2020, 10:19 AM)Kane Wrote:
(10-04-2020, 08:50 PM)Eric1 Wrote: "We don't need Ngakoue, we have Allen" LOLLOLOLOLOLOLOL

And to think there are people on here who actually believe that bull [BLEEP].

Think we're missing Campbell more than Yan at this point. He could line up inside and get pressure and push the pocket. We're getting none of that right now from our DTs.
But I don't think missing Yan is helping either.

Oh we're definitely missing Campbell as well. He's still out there making plays every week for the Ravens

SamusAranX · 10-05-2020, 05:13 PM

(10-04-2020, 08:55 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: If we only had Ngakoue maybe we would be 1-3 like the Vikings he would make such a difference LMAO

I don’t think he would necessarily translate to more wins, but the rush would probably be more effective with teams having to gameplan and lines having to block two serviceable edge rushers instead of one

iHaunting Raven · 10-05-2020, 05:44 PM

(10-05-2020, 05:13 PM)SamusAranX Wrote:
(10-04-2020, 08:55 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: If we only had Ngakoue maybe we would be 1-3 like the Vikings he would make such a difference LMAO

I don’t think he would necessarily translate to more wins, but the rush would probably be more effective with teams having to gameplan and lines having to block two serviceable edge rushers instead of one

It wouldn't, that was my point.

What good would do having Ngakoue? guy can't stop the run, no doubt he would help the pass rush, would it really matter though? for what? it's clear we are not making the playoffs and the guy didn't even want to be here.

I am a fan, not a cheerleader.

surfon · 10-05-2020, 05:48 PM

We should have kept calais or if not then we should have signed clowney. We had the room at least for a one year rental.

jaglyn · 10-06-2020, 09:11 AM

(10-05-2020, 05:48 PM)surfon Wrote: We should have kept calais or if not then we should have signed clowney. We had the room at least for a one year rental.

I hate the Jags strategy of plugging in rookies to replace veteran pro-bowlers.

Even though the rookies are high-draft picks

Preach · 10-06-2020, 10:47 AM

(10-04-2020, 08:55 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: If we only had Ngakoue maybe we would be 1-3 like the Vikings he would make such a difference LMAO

We have a TOTAL of 4 sacks so far this season.

Ngakoue has 3 with 2 forced fumbles

Here we go again

CanDoBetter · 10-06-2020, 10:50 AM

It's clear Allen benefited more from Ngakoue than the other way round but I also think Calais was even more important.

iHaunting Raven · 10-06-2020, 10:53 AM

(10-06-2020, 10:47 AM)Preach Wrote:
(10-04-2020, 08:55 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: If we only had Ngakoue maybe we would be 1-3 like the Vikings he would make such a difference LMAO

We have a TOTAL of 4 sacks so far this season.

Ngakoue has 3 with 2 forced fumbles

That's nice, did you watch his sacks? Vikings are still 1-3 even with "elite" Ngakoue and his 3 sacks.

I am a fan, not a cheerleader.

NeptuneBeachBum · 10-06-2020, 11:15 AM

(10-05-2020, 04:58 PM)Eric1 Wrote:
(10-05-2020, 10:19 AM)Kane Wrote: Think we're missing Campbell more than Yan at this point. He could line up inside and get pressure and push the pocket. We're getting none of that right now from our DTs.
But I don't think missing Yan is helping either.

Oh we're definitely missing Campbell as well. He's still out there making plays every week for the Ravens

Agreed. He is not what he once was, but still productive. Our interior D-Line is horrendous.

This is a results-oriented business. There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft". Our record with DC is 37-86. 6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership. These are the FACTS.

flgatorsandjags · 10-06-2020, 06:59 PM

The last 3 years Dave has went dline in the first, you think we would be able to get some pressure. 3 1st round picks in back to back to back years and nada

FatimaJaguar · 10-06-2020, 07:14 PM

Wingard wouldn’t make the roster on any other team.

TheO-LineMatters · 10-06-2020, 07:37 PM

(10-06-2020, 07:14 PM)FatimaJaguar Wrote: Wingard wouldn’t make the roster on any other team.

Agreed. He plays reckless and out of control.

Dimson · 10-06-2020, 07:54 PM

(10-06-2020, 07:14 PM)FatimaJaguar Wrote: Wingard wouldn’t make the roster on any other team.

That is a bit of an exaggeration.

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mal234 · 10-06-2020, 08:45 PM

According to a local reporter have worked out veteran DE Jabaal Sheard:

https://twitter.com/jordandelugo/status/...2989211654

enigma · 10-06-2020, 09:05 PM

(10-06-2020, 08:45 PM)mal234 Wrote: According to a local reporter have worked out veteran DE Jabaal Sheard:

https://twitter.com/jordandelugo/status/...2989211654

If this is true, we're literally throwing darts at a board in the darkness.

But at this point it's what we need to get any sort of production from the front four because the only way Wash decides to change the gameplan and mix up the defensive coverages/blitzing is if hell freezes over.

Eric1 · 10-06-2020, 09:45 PM

(10-06-2020, 09:05 PM)enigma Wrote:
(10-06-2020, 08:45 PM)mal234 Wrote: According to a local reporter have worked out veteran DE Jabaal Sheard:

https://twitter.com/jordandelugo/status/...2989211654

If this is true, we're literally throwing darts at a board in the darkness.

But at this point it's what we need to get any sort of production from the front four because the only way Wash decides to change the gameplan and mix up the defensive coverages/blitzing is if hell freezes over.

Sheard may not be great, but hes always been productive and they should have brought him in weeks ago.

https://twitter.com/DuvalGiant77/status/...5656331274

4.5 sacks or more in 8 of his 9 seasons with 51.5 total.