Care to provide an update?

lol. What I said was true. He did have more interceptions than TD's at that time. He has been overhyped in the past and IMO did not deserve the OROY. That should have gone to someone like Josh Jacobs. And people did say that Jags weren't winning any games, they did win one, lol. And at the time he didn't look much better than Gardner. 

Granted the Cardinals have currently have a good record. And they have a good shot of making the playoffs. I wouldn't be surprised if they went. Though, they play in the most competitive division in the NFC. And I believe they had like a .500 record at the time of this post. So, they were already doing okay, even with him not playing as well then. 

Wins is the most important stat and his team is definitely better than the Jags in that regard. But individually, Gardner is still hanging with him. They have the same amount of TD's thrown (13) and Gardner still has less interceptions than Kyler. Even in spite of the Jags struggles and their long losing streak. Gardner has five to Kyler's seven. And that's with Kyler playing on a much better team with a better coach. Gardner's passer rating is slightly better, though Kyler's QBR is better.

Nowhere outside Duval County could you find anybody trying to argue that Gardner Minshew and Kyler Murray are approximately the same level of quarterback.  Murray is 5-2 with a QBR of 73.5; Minshew is 1-6 with a QBR of 53.8.  And Murray is twice the athlete with the ball in his hands that Minshew is. Stop the madness.

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This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.

lol. What I said was true. He did have more interceptions than TD's at that time. He has been overhyped in the past and IMO did not deserve the OROY. That should have gone to someone like Josh Jacobs. And people did say that Jags weren't winning any games, they did win one, lol. And at the time he didn't look much better than Gardner. 

Granted the Cardinals have currently have a good record. And they have a good shot of making the playoffs. I wouldn't be surprised if they went. Though, they play in the most competitive division in the NFC. And I believe they had like a .500 record at the time of this post. So, they were already doing okay, even with him not playing as well then. 

Wins is the most important stat and his team is definitely better than the Jags in that regard. But individually, Gardner is still hanging with him. They have the same amount of TD's thrown (13) and Gardner still has less interceptions than Kyler. Even in spite of the Jags struggles and their long losing streak. Gardner has five to Kyler's seven. And that's with Kyler playing on a much better team with a better coach. Gardner's passer rating is slightly better, though Kyler's QBR is better.

Nowhere outside Duval County could you find anybody trying to argue that Gardner Minshew and Kyler Murray are approximately the same level of quarterback.  Murray is 5-2 with a QBR of 73.5; Minshew is 1-6 with a QBR of 53.8.  Stop the madness.

Kyler is in a much better situation than Gardner is. And always has been since they both entered the NFL. What type of record would Gardner have, if he had the coaching/situation that Kyler has had.

Kyler is projected to throw 30Tds and 16 interceptions. Gardner is projected to throw the same amount of TD's (30) and less interceptions. (11). And mind you this on a team that has been playing pretty badly overall and Gardner having some struggles, and people feeling that he may have lost confidence. How well could he do if the team were better and he had better coaching/support. Because he's right there with Kyler in terms of stats/individual performance with a worse situation.

Yet you got a lot of Jags fan calling for Gardner to be benched, saying he's terrible and actually calling him garbage. Which IMO is ridiculous. Stuff like this is why a lot of the non Jags fans are looking at Jags fans like a lot of them are crazy when they make these types of comments about Gardner, lol.

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Nowhere outside Duval County could you find anybody trying to argue that Gardner Minshew and Kyler Murray are approximately the same level of quarterback.  Murray is 5-2 with a QBR of 73.5; Minshew is 1-6 with a QBR of 53.8.  Stop the madness.

Kyler is in a much better situation than Gardner is. And always has been since they both entered the NFL. What type of record would Gardner have, if he had the coaching/situation that Kyler has had.

Kyler is projected to throw 30Tds and 16 interceptions. Gardner is projected to throw the same amount of TD's (30) and less interceptions. (11). And mind you this on a team that has been playing pretty badly overall and Gardner having some struggles, and people feeling that he may have lost confidence. How well could he do if the team were better and he had better coaching/support. Because he's right there with Kyler in terms of stats/individual performance with a worse situation.

Yet you got a lot of Jags fan calling for Gardner to be benched, saying he's terrible and actually calling him garbage. Which IMO is ridiculous. Stuff like this is why a lot of the non Jags fans are looking at Jags fans like a lot of them are crazy when they make these types of comments about Gardner, lol.

Do you understand what "reductionist" thinking is?  Because you are giving a clinic on it right now. Kyler is in a better situation because he is making it better and Minshew is not capable of doing that here.  Joe Burrow is still showing his talents in Cincy in a bad situation, but Minshew is not showing that here. Minshew is ranked #25 in QBR. That is BAD, That's on HIM.

Cam Newton got benched yesterday too. This is big boy football. Produce or you're out.

Again, anyone outside of Duval County (and most people in Duval County) would be laughing hysterically at the argument you are attempting to make.

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This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.

Kyler is in a much better situation than Gardner is. And always has been since they both entered the NFL. What type of record would Gardner have, if he had the coaching/situation that Kyler has had.

Kyler is projected to throw 30Tds and 16 interceptions. Gardner is projected to throw the same amount of TD's (30) and less interceptions. (11). And mind you this on a team that has been playing pretty badly overall and Gardner having some struggles, and people feeling that he may have lost confidence. How well could he do if the team were better and he had better coaching/support. Because he's right there with Kyler in terms of stats/individual performance with a worse situation.

Yet you got a lot of Jags fan calling for Gardner to be benched, saying he's terrible and actually calling him garbage. Which IMO is ridiculous. Stuff like this is why a lot of the non Jags fans are looking at Jags fans like a lot of them are crazy when they make these types of comments about Gardner, lol.

Do you understand what "reductionist" thinking is?  Because you are giving a clinic on it right now. Kyler is in a better situation because he is making it better and Minshew is not capable of doing that here.  Joe Burrow is still showing his talents in Cincy in a bad situation, but Minshew is not showing that here.  Minshew is ranked #25 in QBR.  That is BAD,  That's on HIM.  

Cam Newton got benched yesterday too.  This is big boy football.  Produce or you're out.

Again, anyone outside of Duval County (and most people in Duval County) would be laughing hysterically at the argument you are attempting to make.

QBR is not a viable stat. Plenty of posters on here have proven that.

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Do you understand what "reductionist" thinking is?  Because you are giving a clinic on it right now. Kyler is in a better situation because he is making it better and Minshew is not capable of doing that here.  Joe Burrow is still showing his talents in Cincy in a bad situation, but Minshew is not showing that here.  Minshew is ranked #25 in QBR.  That is BAD,  That's on HIM.  

Cam Newton got benched yesterday too.  This is big boy football.  Produce or you're out.

Again, anyone outside of Duval County (and most people in Duval County) would be laughing hysterically at the argument you are attempting to make.

QBR is not a viable stat. Plenty of posters on here have proven that.

That is a clueless statement.  And there is no poster on this board capable of "proving" that.  lmao

The QBR and wins are the two best combined stats to gauge QB play.  If its not, you tell me what is.

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This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.

Kyler is in a much better situation than Gardner is. And always has been since they both entered the NFL. What type of record would Gardner have, if he had the coaching/situation that Kyler has had.

Kyler is projected to throw 30Tds and 16 interceptions. Gardner is projected to throw the same amount of TD's (30) and less interceptions. (11). And mind you this on a team that has been playing pretty badly overall and Gardner having some struggles, and people feeling that he may have lost confidence. How well could he do if the team were better and he had better coaching/support. Because he's right there with Kyler in terms of stats/individual performance with a worse situation.

Yet you got a lot of Jags fan calling for Gardner to be benched, saying he's terrible and actually calling him garbage. Which IMO is ridiculous. Stuff like this is why a lot of the non Jags fans are looking at Jags fans like a lot of them are crazy when they make these types of comments about Gardner, lol.

Do you understand what "reductionist" thinking is?  Because you are giving a clinic on it right now. Kyler is in a better situation because he is making it better and Minshew is not capable of doing that here.  Joe Burrow is still showing his talents in Cincy in a bad situation, but Minshew is not showing that here.  Minshew is ranked #25 in QBR.  That is BAD,  That's on HIM.

Again, anyone outside of Duval County (and most people in Duval County) would be laughing hysterically at the argument you are attempting to make.

Kyler has always had a coach that has tailored an offense to his strengths. Gardner has not had that. 

Joe Burrow is showing his talents and is mostly losing. And for as talented as Justin Herbert is, he just got his first win yesterday. Because no matter how well a QB plays he can only do so much if the team/situation around him isn't good. And/or in the case of the Chargers, poor coaching decisions is costing the team wins.

And I think it's funny you how keep going at Gardner's QBR and not really acknowledging that his stats is equal or better than Kyler in other areas. Yes he can better in that area. But that's really only one of the few things you can get on him regarding individual stats compared to Kyler. And team wins. Everything else he is either identical or better at. TD's (same) passer rating, interceptions (better). And this in on a much worse team, with him having some struggles. This is the production that Gardner has on a bad team and bad coaching. Imagine if the team was better and the coaching better.

The facts are the facts. Yes Kyler has a better QBR and more wins. The wins are definitely the most important stat. No doubt about that. But the facts are also that Gardner has better/equal stats to him in various areas. They literally are projected to throw the same amount of TD"s, with Gardner projected to throw less interceptions. 

It's ridiculous that a lot of Jags fans are acting like Gardner is a bum. And people of other fanbases realize this and have called Jags fans out on this. Some/a lot of them may think that Kyler is more talented than Gardner. But they also know that Gardner is getting too much blame by Jags fans and that's he not's a bum. And that his production is enough to win in better situations. And some of them are laughing at Jags fan for their treatment of Gardner. Because it's ridiculous.

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Kyler is a playmaker. He doesn't need everything to be perfect for him to succeed. Quite honestly, he reminds me of a more polished Mike Vick.

I like Minshew in a sense that had we been successful and spent a boatload of $$ retaining the 2017 defense, he would have been a nice super cheap option to be an upgrade over Bortles and would could have relied on our D to win. Unfortunately we went on the cheap, blew up the D, and need an elite QB to offset everything the GM has managed to screw up.

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Do you understand what "reductionist" thinking is?  Because you are giving a clinic on it right now. Kyler is in a better situation because he is making it better and Minshew is not capable of doing that here.  Joe Burrow is still showing his talents in Cincy in a bad situation, but Minshew is not showing that here.  Minshew is ranked #25 in QBR.  That is BAD,  That's on HIM.

Again, anyone outside of Duval County (and most people in Duval County) would be laughing hysterically at the argument you are attempting to make.

Kyler has always had a coach that has tailored an offense to his strengths. Gardner has not had that. 

Joe Burrow is showing his talents and is mostly losing. And for as talented as Justin Herbert is, he just got his first win yesterday. Because no matter how well a QB plays he can only do so much if the team around him isn't good. 

And I think it's funny you how keep going at Gardner's QBR and not really acknowledging that his stats is equal or better than Kyler in other areas. Yes he can better in that area. But that's really only one of the few things you can get on him regarding individual stats compared to Kyler. And team wins. Everything else he is either identical or better at. TD's (same) passer rating, interceptions (better). And this in on a much worse team, with him having some struggles. This is the production that Gardner has on a bad team and bad coaching. Imagine if the team was better and the coaching better.

The facts are the facts. Yes Kyler has a better QBR and more wins. The wins are definitely the most important stat. No doubt about that. But the facts are also that Gardner has better/equal stats to him in various areas. They literally are projected to throw the same amount of TD"s. 

It's ridiculous that a lot of fans are acting like Gardner is a bum. And people of other fanbases realize this and have called Jags fans out on this. Some/a lot of them may think that Kyler is more talented than Gardner. But they also know that Gardner is getting too much blame by Jags fans and that's he not's a bum. And that his production is enough to win in better situations. And some of them are laughing at Jags fan for their treatment of Gardner. Because it's ridiculous.

Wrong.  Wrong on just about every point you made here.  We couldn't get a 5th rounder for him right now if we tried to trade him.  No one wants this guy as their starting QB.  Decent backup at best.  You are caught up in stats that don't matter and taken in poor context.  He threw one nice TD pass yesterday, but the other one was a one yard pass with a ridiculous run by Robinson that gave him a credited TD pass.  Most of his "production" has been in garbage time, on check down passes with runs after catch.  You act like the players around him are hurting his production, when they are actually helping him out.  Minshew is a problem.  He holds the ball too long and makes his O-line look worse than they are.  He doesn't have a great arm.  He is inconsistent.  And he is in the last season he will be a starter in the NFL.  Enjoy the last 9 starts he gets (if he doesn't get benched before the season ends).

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This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.

I defended Minshew vs Murray last year, But this year there is no contest. Murray is way better.

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Until our Front Office can build a competent team around Gardner Minshew it is unfair to make all these assumptions.

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Until our Front Office can build a competent team around Gardner Minshew it is unfair to make all these assumptions.

Maybe its the other way around?  Maybe a real starting QB can make the offensive talent on this team better?  THAT is the sign of a franchise QB.  They definitely have one in Cincy... you can see that despite their losses. But we don't see that here in Duval.

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This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.

Kyler has always had a coach that has tailored an offense to his strengths. Gardner has not had that. 

Joe Burrow is showing his talents and is mostly losing. And for as talented as Justin Herbert is, he just got his first win yesterday. Because no matter how well a QB plays he can only do so much if the team around him isn't good. 

And I think it's funny you how keep going at Gardner's QBR and not really acknowledging that his stats is equal or better than Kyler in other areas. Yes he can better in that area. But that's really only one of the few things you can get on him regarding individual stats compared to Kyler. And team wins. Everything else he is either identical or better at. TD's (same) passer rating, interceptions (better). And this in on a much worse team, with him having some struggles. This is the production that Gardner has on a bad team and bad coaching. Imagine if the team was better and the coaching better.

The facts are the facts. Yes Kyler has a better QBR and more wins. The wins are definitely the most important stat. No doubt about that. But the facts are also that Gardner has better/equal stats to him in various areas. They literally are projected to throw the same amount of TD"s. 

It's ridiculous that a lot of fans are acting like Gardner is a bum. And people of other fanbases realize this and have called Jags fans out on this. Some/a lot of them may think that Kyler is more talented than Gardner. But they also know that Gardner is getting too much blame by Jags fans and that's he not's a bum. And that his production is enough to win in better situations. And some of them are laughing at Jags fan for their treatment of Gardner. Because it's ridiculous.

Wrong.  Wrong on just about every point you made here.  We couldn't get a 5th rounder for him right now if we tried to trade him.  No one wants this guy as their starting QB.  Decent backup at best.  You are caught up in stats that don't matter and taken in poor context.  He threw one nice TD pass yesterday, but the other one was a one yard pass with a ridiculous run by Robinson that gave him a credited TD pass.  Most of his "production" has been in garbage time, on check down passes with runs after catch.  You act like the players around him are hurting his production, when they are actually helping him out.  Minshew is a problem.  He holds the ball too long and makes his O-line look worse than they are.  He doesn't have a great arm.  He is inconsistent.  And he is in the last season he will be a starter in the NFL.  Enjoy the last 9 starts he gets (if he doesn't get benched before the season ends).

I think you are underestimating his production and value as a QB. I do believe you could get at least a fifth round pick for him, if not higher. We won't know for sure unless the team tries to trade him.

At this point, he's probably better off with another team. The Jags can trade him to the Patriots or a team that could use him and his production. I really like Cam, and thought that he looked like he had taken well to Bill Belichick's coaching. But he's been struggling the last couple of games. I wonder if maybe he won't end up fitting in as well with the Patriots as I thought he might, after watching a couple of their games this season. Bill Belichick is very smart, Gardner has a high football IQ, I think they could work well together and Bill could get the best out of him. I also think he could work well with Josh Mcdaniels, who was doing a nice job of tailoring the Patriots offense to the Cam's strengths. They could do the same with Gardner. I'm not saying he would start right away. I think they would still go with Cam for a bit. Though, he is actually saying he thinks his job is in jeopardy. And Jarret Stidham is still on the team too. But maybe later on in the season if they lose some games, not in contention, they might would play Gardner to see what he looks like in their offense. 

In the past I had said they could trade him to the Cowboys. But the more I think about it, I  don't think he can really do much to help them right now. Believe it or not, they are currently almost as bad off as the Jags are right now. Dak was throwing for almost 500 yards and multiple TD's and they were still losing. Andy got roughed up in yesterday's game, but he's been mostly durable, and I think they will stick with him as long as he's able to play. (though he might miss like a week due to concussion protocol).

I could see other teams being interested in him as well. I saw some Falcons fans are saying they want to trade for him. One of them suggested trading him for Matt Ryan and a 2nd round pick, lol. I don't see that happening, but I thought that was kind of funny. The Jags can reach out and see who's interested in him. It's going to be more than one team. 

If he's traded that could work out for a lot of people. Jags fans that don't like him and think he's "garbage" can see if this will help the team go all in on getting some one they want like Trevor. And some of us that like him can see him possibly succeed in a better situation. And don't have to hear a lot of Jags fans constantly whine about someone who is projected to throw 30TD's and is currently still top 10 in passer rating.

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All this talk about Gardner being a bum. What about the fact that our defense is literally setting records for points allowed? We just gonna gloss over that, because obviously a FrAnChIsE qB would be able to overcome that and win gamez! I also see people defending our offensive line? Jesus, they haven't played well since 2017, get a clue.


I swear the decades of losing Jags teams have tainted this fanbase. Ya'll don't know what a good QB looks like because we need more than a good QB to fix this team. It's a shame because in 2017 a good QB would have made us SB contenders but now we're basically back at square one with only a few young players to build around but half the fan base is already trying to get rid of said young players.

It's a vicious circle. Wish I could rely on crow eating to go around, but honestly this team is perpetually stuck in mediocreville it'll take these players going on other teams to see their potential, if they're not ruined first.

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Wrong.  Wrong on just about every point you made here.  We couldn't get a 5th rounder for him right now if we tried to trade him.  No one wants this guy as their starting QB.  Decent backup at best.  You are caught up in stats that don't matter and taken in poor context.  He threw one nice TD pass yesterday, but the other one was a one yard pass with a ridiculous run by Robinson that gave him a credited TD pass.  Most of his "production" has been in garbage time, on check down passes with runs after catch.  You act like the players around him are hurting his production, when they are actually helping him out.  Minshew is a problem.  He holds the ball too long and makes his O-line look worse than they are.  He doesn't have a great arm.  He is inconsistent.  And he is in the last season he will be a starter in the NFL.  Enjoy the last 9 starts he gets (if he doesn't get benched before the season ends).

I think you are underestimating his production and value as a QB. I do believe you could get at least a fifth round pick for him, if not higher. But we know for sure unless the team tries to trade for him.

At this point, he's probably better off with another team. The Jags can trade him to the Patriots or a team that could use him and his production. I really like Cam, and thought that he looked like he had taken well to Bill Belichick's coaching. But he's been struggling the last couple of games. I wonder if maybe he won't end up fitting in as well with the Patriots as I thought he might, after watching a couple of their games this season. Bill Belichick is very smart, Gardner has a high football IQ, I think they could work well together and Bill could get the best out of him. I also think he could work well with Josh Mcdaniels, who was doing a nice job of tailoring the Patriots offense to the Cam's strengths. They could do the same with Gardner. I'm not saying he would start right away. I think they would still go with Cam for a bit. Though, he is actually saying he thinks his job is in jeopardy. And Jarret Stidham is still on the team too. But maybe later on in the season if they lose some games, not in contention, they might would play Gardner to see what he looks like in their offense. 

In the past I had said they could trade him to the Cowboys. But the more I think about it, I  don't think he can really do much to help them right now. Believe it or not, they are currently almost as bad off as the Jags are right now. Dak was throwing for almost 500 yards and multiple TD's and they were still losing. Andy got roughed up in yesterday's game, but he's been mostly durable, and I think they will stick with him as long as he's able to play. (though he might miss like a week due to concussion protocol).

I could see other teams being interested in him as well. I saw some Falcons fans are saying they want to trade for him. One of them suggested trading him for Matt Ryan and a 2nd round pick, lol. I don't see that happening, but I thought that was kind of funny. The Jags can reach out and see who's interested in him. It's going to be more than one team. 

If he's traded that could work out for a lot of people. Jags fans that don't like him and think he's "garbage" can see if this will help the team go all in on getting some one they want like Trevor. And some of us that like him can see him possibly succeed in a better situation. And don't have to hear a lot of Jags fans constantly whine about someone who is projected to throw 30TD's and is currently still top 10 in passer rating.

He is not even in the Top 20 for passer rating... you better check that again.  And you're looking for his trade value on the Falcon fan board?  lmao.  C'mon man.  We got a 4th for Foles.  We would get at MAX a 5th for Minshew.  And he'd be a back up wherever he went.

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All this talk about Gardner being a bum. What about the fact that our defense is literally setting records for points allowed? We just gonna gloss over that, because obviously a FrAnChIsE qB would be able to overcome that and win gamez!

You have a call on line 1 from Russell Wilson.

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This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.

 

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All this talk about Gardner being a bum. What about the fact that our defense is literally setting records for points allowed? We just gonna gloss over that, because obviously a FrAnChIsE qB would be able to overcome that and win gamez!

You have a call on line 1 from Russell Wilson.

I'd love to see Russell Wilson go 4-12 with this team, just to prove a point.

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It's a vicious circle. Wish I could rely on crow eating to go around, but honestly this team is perpetually stuck in mediocreville it'll take these players going on other teams to see their potential, if they're not ruined first.

There is mediocre.  There is bad.  There is absolute trash.  And then there is us and the Jets looking up at absolute trash from about 20 feet below.

I'd be happy with "mediocreville" right now, but we aren't even close.  We are so bad that you guys believe in and defend a 6th round QB with a noodle arm who holds the ball too long as a franchise savior.  Its a Jags fan version of beaten-wife syndrome... "he's not so bad!"  

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This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.

All this talk about Gardner being a bum. What about the fact that our defense is literally setting records for points allowed? We just gonna gloss over that, because obviously a FrAnChIsE qB would be able to overcome that and win gamez! I also see people defending our offensive line? Jesus, they haven't played well since 2017, get a clue.


I swear the decades of losing Jags teams have tainted this fanbase. Ya'll don't know what a good QB looks like because we need more than a good QB to fix this team. It's a shame because in 2017 a good QB would have made us SB contenders but now we're basically back at square one with only a few young players to build around but half the fan base is already trying to get rid of said young players.

It's a vicious circle. Wish I could rely on crow eating to go around, but honestly this team is perpetually stuck in mediocreville it'll take these players going on other teams to see their potential, if they're not ruined first.

Start a thread about.... in the meantime this one is about Minshew. 

Stats don’t tell the full story. I remember a fantastic year of fantasy football at the office where I came in and won in a 12 person league. I played Bortles... He had great stats! Tons of TDs and yards... 

Can we just use the eye test for once? What do you see? Do you see Minshew scrambling too early and throwing short throws? I do! When receivers are getting upset there is a reason. They know more than any of us as they know the plays, the timing, the routes and they are running them. Chark has not been known as a problem child the last 3 years and yet now he’s clearly unhappy. 

QBR isn’t everything but clearly it’s accurately dialing in on Minshew being 25th. 

Off topic- I think many of the defensive woes are on Wash... replace him and you fix a lot of issues. I can’t say a new OC will fix Minshews.

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You have a call on line 1 from Russell Wilson.

I'd love to see Russell Wilson go 4-12 with this team, just to prove a point.

Our defense is giving up 55 yards less per game than theirs is.  The difference?  A real franchise quarterback.

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This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.

I think you are underestimating his production and value as a QB. I do believe you could get at least a fifth round pick for him, if not higher. But we know for sure unless the team tries to trade for him.

At this point, he's probably better off with another team. The Jags can trade him to the Patriots or a team that could use him and his production. I really like Cam, and thought that he looked like he had taken well to Bill Belichick's coaching. But he's been struggling the last couple of games. I wonder if maybe he won't end up fitting in as well with the Patriots as I thought he might, after watching a couple of their games this season. Bill Belichick is very smart, Gardner has a high football IQ, I think they could work well together and Bill could get the best out of him. I also think he could work well with Josh Mcdaniels, who was doing a nice job of tailoring the Patriots offense to the Cam's strengths. They could do the same with Gardner. I'm not saying he would start right away. I think they would still go with Cam for a bit. Though, he is actually saying he thinks his job is in jeopardy. And Jarret Stidham is still on the team too. But maybe later on in the season if they lose some games, not in contention, they might would play Gardner to see what he looks like in their offense. 

In the past I had said they could trade him to the Cowboys. But the more I think about it, I  don't think he can really do much to help them right now. Believe it or not, they are currently almost as bad off as the Jags are right now. Dak was throwing for almost 500 yards and multiple TD's and they were still losing. Andy got roughed up in yesterday's game, but he's been mostly durable, and I think they will stick with him as long as he's able to play. (though he might miss like a week due to concussion protocol).

I could see other teams being interested in him as well. I saw some Falcons fans are saying they want to trade for him. One of them suggested trading him for Matt Ryan and a 2nd round pick, lol. I don't see that happening, but I thought that was kind of funny. The Jags can reach out and see who's interested in him. It's going to be more than one team. 

If he's traded that could work out for a lot of people. Jags fans that don't like him and think he's "garbage" can see if this will help the team go all in on getting some one they want like Trevor. And some of us that like him can see him possibly succeed in a better situation. And don't have to hear a lot of Jags fans constantly whine about someone who is projected to throw 30TD's and is currently still top 10 in passer rating.

He is not even in the Top 20 for passer rating... you better check that again.  And you're looking for his trade value on the Falcon fan board?  lmao.  C'mon man.  We got a 4th for Foles.  We would get at MAX a 5th for Minshew.  And he'd be a back up wherever he went.

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All this talk about Gardner being a bum. What about the fact that our defense is literally setting records for points allowed? We just gonna gloss over that, because obviously a FrAnChIsE qB would be able to overcome that and win gamez!

You have a call on line 1 from Russell Wilson.

My mistake I meant to type passing stats. He's top 10 in overall passing stats:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/player/_/...s/dir/desc

And I saw the falcons fan comments (originally posted on facebook) posted on Twitter, I thought that was amusing. I've seen other fans say they wouldn't mind seeing their team trade for him including Cowboys fans, 49ers, Bears fans, etc...

At this point, he probably wouldn't start right away from another team. But things like injuries and really bad play do happen and he could find himself as a starter again at some point. Maybe sooner than later. I definitely could see him succeeding somewhere like the Patriots, a team with very smart coaching who's been good at knowing/finding out what their identity is/needs to be. They did it with Brady, and they were doing it with Cam for the first couple of weeks he played. Cam didn't look so good the last game, but maybe he will end up rebounding. I don't know. If not though Gardner could be a potential trade target for them.

Or somewhere like the Saints, or Steelers, with their good coaching staffs. He might have to wait a bit but those are good spots for him. I could see Drew retiring in the next year or two, and Mike Tomlin was having success with Duck Hodges. 

If Gardner's going to go back to being a backup he would be better off as a backup for a better team than a backup for the Jags. At least with some other teams he will get good coaching/have better support, so should he have to/given the opportunity to start again, he'll be better off. I could definitely see him starting again in the NFL, should he leave the Jags. Which I believe will probably happen. He'll either be traded or leave after his rookie contract is up. He will not want to stay with the Jags if they bench him again. Nor should he. He'll only be 26 when his contract is up and could go and try and get a starter position for a better team.

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He is not even in the Top 20 for passer rating... you better check that again.  And you're looking for his trade value on the Falcon fan board?  lmao.  C'mon man.  We got a 4th for Foles.  We would get at MAX a 5th for Minshew.  And he'd be a back up wherever he went.

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You have a call on line 1 from Russell Wilson.

My mistake I meant to type passing stats. He's top 10 in overall passing stats:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/player/_/...s/dir/desc

And I saw the falcons fan comments (originally posted on facebook) posted on Twitter, I thought that was amusing. I've seen other fans say they wouldn't mind seeing their team trade for him including Cowboys fans, 49ers, Bears fans, etc...

At this point, he probably wouldn't start right away from another team. But things like injuries and really bad play do happen and he could find himself as a starter again at some point. Maybe sooner than later. I definitely could see him succeeding somewhere like the Patriots, a team with very smart coaching who's been good at knowing/finding out what their identity is/needs to be. They did it with Brady, and they were doing it with Cam for the first couple of weeks he played. Cam didn't look so good the last game, but maybe he will end up rebounding. I don't know. If not though Gardner could be a potential trade target for them.

Or somewhere like the Saints, or Steelers, with their good coaching staffs. He might have to wait a bit but those are good spots for him. I could see Drew retiring in the next year or two, and Mike Tomlin was having success with Duck Hodges. 

If Gardner's going to go back to being a backup he would be better off as a backup for a better team than a backup for the Jags. At least with some other teams he will get good coaching/have better support, so should he have to/given the opportunity to start again, he'll be better off. I could definitely see him starting again in the NFL, should he leave the Jags. Which I believe will probably happen. He'll either be traded or leave after his rookie contract is up. He will not want to stay with the Jags if they bench him again. Nor should he. He'll only be 26 when his contract is up and could go and try and get a starter position for a better team.

So are you a Minshew fan or a Jaguars fan? Whats your priority? 

If you are just a fan of Minshews than I am sure there are more appropriate mediums for that use than a board dedicated to the betterment of the Jaguars. 

Your prioritization of Minshews career indicates most of your posts are confirmation bias.

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