With eyes that red, you have to think he's been smoking weed.

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Why the vitriol.though?

I've noticed women politicians seem to get the most vilification around here. Underlying issues?

Her ridiculous stance on gun control. She was in agreement with Beto O'Rourke that they would send people to come to your door and confiscate (aka steal), your semi-automatic rifles. This would surely start a civil war. My hatred for her has nothing to do with her being a woman. I actually voted for a woman, (Libertarian candidate Jo Jorgensen.) It has everything to do with her idiotic stance on semi-automatic rifles which would cause way more unnecessary bloodshed than all of the mass shootings combined. You can't just steal from law abiding citizens. The problem needs to be addressed with the mentally ill and violent people. They should not own weapons. Taking them away from everyone, because of a few bad apples is taking away the freedoms of law abiding citizens.

He's baiting you.

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So what number of votes are looking likely to be thrown out now? 5k?

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So what number of votes are looking likely to be thrown out now? 5k?

Getting nervous?

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Why the vitriol.though?

I've noticed women politicians seem to get the most vilification around here. Underlying issues?

Her ridiculous stance on gun control. She was in agreement with Beto O'Rourke that they would send people to come to your door and confiscate (aka steal), your semi-automatic rifles. This would surely start a civil war. My hatred for her has nothing to do with her being a woman. I actually voted for a woman, (Libertarian candidate Jo Jorgensen.) It has everything to do with her idiotic stance on semi-automatic rifles which would cause way more unnecessary bloodshed than all of the mass shootings combined. You can't just steal from law abiding citizens. The problem needs to be addressed with the mentally ill and violent people. They should not own weapons. Taking them away from everyone, because of a few bad apples is taking away the freedoms of law abiding citizens.

I wasn't actually referring to you. I was referring to the comments you get on looks and how they dress round here and the utter obsession with AOC. Stuff that would never be said about Bernie for example.

On your gun control point, so people would start murdering people and stop following the laws of gun control was introduced? Surely they are people you don't really want to have guns?

I agree with you that you probably could have looser gun laws if you sorted out the violence and mental health issues. But again, many around here vote for poor people to get poorer and lose access to health care. They aren't really compatible positions.

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You understand, our constitution was set up to give us arms in case the government turned on us right? And in taking our arms, that counts as turning on us. So whatever bloodshed happens in that case is directly the fault of the government

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You understand, our constitution was set up to give us arms in case the government turned on us right?  And in taking our arms, that counts as turning on us.  So whatever bloodshed happens in that case is directly the fault of the government

Your government can already wipe you off the planet if wanted. Your taxes help fund it. Maybe vote for people who won't murder you?

When you going to start fighting for the 18th?

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You understand, our constitution was set up to give us arms in case the government turned on us right?  And in taking our arms, that counts as turning on us.  So whatever bloodshed happens in that case is directly the fault of the government

Your government can already wipe you off the planet if wanted. Your taxes help fund it. Maybe vote for people who won't murder you?

When you going to start fighting for the 18th?

The US can certainly wipe us out and with ease.   I’ll agree on that.  I voted for Trump.  So I did vote in such manner. And the 18th was ratified a looong time ago.  How about you keep up with your politics and we’ll keep up with ours.

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You understand, our constitution was set up to give us arms in case the government turned on us right?  And in taking our arms, that counts as turning on us.  So whatever bloodshed happens in that case is directly the fault of the government

Your government can already wipe you off the planet if wanted. Your taxes help fund it. Maybe vote for people who won't murder you?

When you going to start fighting for the 18th?

Your hypothetical marks the end of the country.  Who makes that call? Joe Biden?

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You understand, our constitution was set up to give us arms in case the government turned on us right?  And in taking our arms, that counts as turning on us.  So whatever bloodshed happens in that case is directly the fault of the government

Wrong.
The second amendment is copied and pasted out of the 13 original state constitutions but without its full context.
Read them yourself.  The phrase a few of them use is "for defense of self and of the State."
There weren't regular police.  Raids from natives, slave revolts, European pirates or European navies were all likely back then. Any raid like that could eliminate State authority, at least for a little while. 
Of course we no longer need guns to help the State maintain its authority. But we still need them for self defense.  
So I don't want to take any guns from you.
But I do hope you harbor no illusions about how effective they would be against a determined federal government.
The Bundy ranch standoff was over a herd of cattle. If it was over an armory or a refinery or a seaport or an airport, those hobbyists with AR-15s would get cleared out with a single sweep from an A-10.  Believe it.  I don't want you or anyone else who listens to that specious line of reasoning to be on the losing end of something like that.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Your government can already wipe you off the planet if wanted. Your taxes help fund it. Maybe vote for people who won't murder you?

When you going to start fighting for the 18th?

Your hypothetical marks the end of the country.  Who makes that call? Joe Biden?

Never going to happen is it because it requires the people in the military to turn on their own people for no reason.

Your gun wielding neighbour more likely to shoot you by many multiples.

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Your hypothetical marks the end of the country.  Who makes that call? Joe Biden?

Never going to happen is it because it requires the people in the military to turn on their own people for no reason.

Your gun wielding neighbour more likely to shoot you by many multiples.

Which is why I need more guns to defend myself.

At this point, I'm just expanding the collection because Democrats think it's bad. I'd have to be John Wick to fully utilize what my safe will look like a year from now.

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You understand, our constitution was set up to give us arms in case the government turned on us right?  And in taking our arms, that counts as turning on us.  So whatever bloodshed happens in that case is directly the fault of the government

Wrong.
The second amendment is copied and pasted out of the 13 original state constitutions but without its full context.
Read them yourself.  The phrase a few of them use is "for defense of self and of the State."
There weren't regular police.  Raids from natives, slave revolts, European pirates or European navies were all likely back then. Any raid like that could eliminate State authority, at least for a little while. 
Of course we no longer need guns to help the State maintain its authority. But we still need them for self defense.  
So I don't want to take any guns from you.
But I do hope you harbor no illusions about how effective they would be against a determined federal government.
The Bundy ranch standoff was over a herd of cattle. If it was over an armory or a refinery or a seaport or an airport, those hobbyists with AR-15s would get cleared out with a single sweep from an A-10.  Believe it.  I don't want you or anyone else who listens to that specious line of reasoning to be on the losing end of something like that.

Amongst other things, was put in place to fight off a tyrannical government.  Would said government annihilate us in that scenario? Sure.  So “Wrong” yourself.

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You understand, our constitution was set up to give us arms in case the government turned on us right?  And in taking our arms, that counts as turning on us.  So whatever bloodshed happens in that case is directly the fault of the government

Wrong.
The second amendment is copied and pasted out of the 13 original state constitutions but without its full context.
Read them yourself.  The phrase a few of them use is "for defense of self and of the State."
There weren't regular police.  Raids from natives, slave revolts, European pirates or European navies were all likely back then. Any raid like that could eliminate State authority, at least for a little while. 
Of course we no longer need guns to help the State maintain its authority. But we still need them for self defense.  
So I don't want to take any guns from you.
But I do hope you harbor no illusions about how effective they would be against a determined federal government.
The Bundy ranch standoff was over a herd of cattle. If it was over an armory or a refinery or a seaport or an airport, those hobbyists with AR-15s would get cleared out with a single sweep from an A-10.  Believe it.  I don't want you or anyone else who listens to that specious line of reasoning to be on the losing end of something like that.

Sounds like a wet dream for you. I can just hear you mouth breathing as you typed that.

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Why the vitriol.though?

I've noticed women politicians seem to get the most vilification around here. Underlying issues?

What is it with liberals that you must view everything through a race, gender or sexual orientation lens?  Kamalia Harris could be Carl Harris, white and 58 and if “he” had the same political leanings conservatives would be against him.  Perhaps you should look at your own underlying issues?

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Original Season Ticket Holder - Retired  1995 - 2020


At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

Her ridiculous stance on gun control. She was in agreement with Beto O'Rourke that they would send people to come to your door and confiscate (aka steal), your semi-automatic rifles. This would surely start a civil war. My hatred for her has nothing to do with her being a woman. I actually voted for a woman, (Libertarian candidate Jo Jorgensen.) It has everything to do with her idiotic stance on semi-automatic rifles which would cause way more unnecessary bloodshed than all of the mass shootings combined. You can't just steal from law abiding citizens. The problem needs to be addressed with the mentally ill and violent people. They should not own weapons. Taking them away from everyone, because of a few bad apples is taking away the freedoms of law abiding citizens.

He's baiting you.

He can bait me all he wants. I just want to be clear that my hatred has nothing to do with her being a woman. It has everything to do with her stupidity.

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Her ridiculous stance on gun control. She was in agreement with Beto O'Rourke that they would send people to come to your door and confiscate (aka steal), your semi-automatic rifles. This would surely start a civil war. My hatred for her has nothing to do with her being a woman. I actually voted for a woman, (Libertarian candidate Jo Jorgensen.) It has everything to do with her idiotic stance on semi-automatic rifles which would cause way more unnecessary bloodshed than all of the mass shootings combined. You can't just steal from law abiding citizens. The problem needs to be addressed with the mentally ill and violent people. They should not own weapons. Taking them away from everyone, because of a few bad apples is taking away the freedoms of law abiding citizens.

I wasn't actually referring to you. I was referring to the comments you get on looks and how they dress round here and the utter obsession with AOC. Stuff that would never be said about Bernie for example.

On your gun control point, so people would start murdering people and stop following the laws of gun control was introduced? Surely they are people you don't really want to have guns?

I agree with you that you probably could have looser gun laws if you sorted out the violence and mental health issues. But again, many around here vote for poor people to get poorer and lose access to health care. They aren't really compatible positions.

There is a difference between sensible gun control laws and confiscation of property belonging to law abiding citizens. 

If you read my response, you would know the answer to that. 

Your final "point" makes no sense. Gun control and health care are two wildly different issues.

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Why the vitriol.though?

I've noticed women politicians seem to get the most vilification around here. Underlying issues?

What is it with liberals that you must view everything through a race, gender or sexual orientation lens?  Kamalia Harris could be Carl Harris, white and 58 and if “he” had the same political leanings conservatives would be against him.  Perhaps you should look at your own underlying issues?

Just because you don't care about KH's race or gender, doesn't mean no one does.  Some people view it as a positive, some as a negative.  It sucks, but that's reality.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

You understand, our constitution was set up to give us arms in case the government turned on us right?  And in taking our arms, that counts as turning on us.  So whatever bloodshed happens in that case is directly the fault of the government

Wrong.
The second amendment is copied and pasted out of the 13 original state constitutions but without its full context.
Read them yourself.  The phrase a few of them use is "for defense of self and of the State."
There weren't regular police.  Raids from natives, slave revolts, European pirates or European navies were all likely back then. Any raid like that could eliminate State authority, at least for a little while. 
Of course we no longer need guns to help the State maintain its authority. But we still need them for self defense.  
So I don't want to take any guns from you.
But I do hope you harbor no illusions about how effective they would be against a determined federal government.
The Bundy ranch standoff was over a herd of cattle. If it was over an armory or a refinery or a seaport or an airport, those hobbyists with AR-15s would get cleared out with a single sweep from an A-10.  Believe it.  I don't want you or anyone else who listens to that specious line of reasoning to be on the losing end of something like that.

I was always taught never to start a fight, but if someone bigger than you started one, you never back down. You may lose, but you make them know they've been in a fight.

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Your hypothetical marks the end of the country.  Who makes that call? Joe Biden?

Never going to happen is it because it requires the people in the military to turn on their own people for no reason.

Your gun wielding neighbour more likely to shoot you by many multiples.

People in other countries have said that and it has happened. You never know.

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What is it with liberals that you must view everything through a race, gender or sexual orientation lens?  Kamalia Harris could be Carl Harris, white and 58 and if “he” had the same political leanings conservatives would be against him.  Perhaps you should look at your own underlying issues?

Just because you don't care about KH's race or gender, doesn't mean no one does.  Some people view it as a positive, some as a negative.  It sucks, but that's reality.

I view her as a politician and as far as I'm concerned, they're all dishonest.

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Back to the election...

Trunp has NC and AK and GA going to manual recount and audit. Lawsuits in other swing states with affidavits up the wazoo.

Recent poll shows less than half believe Biden fairly elected.

Get that big bowl of popcorn ready. With butter.

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YouTube down. Wonder if China Joe has anything to do with this.

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