Wrong.
The second amendment is copied and pasted out of the 13 original state constitutions but without its full context.
Read them yourself.  The phrase a few of them use is "for defense of self and of the State."
There weren't regular police.  Raids from natives, slave revolts, European pirates or European navies were all likely back then. Any raid like that could eliminate State authority, at least for a little while. 
Of course we no longer need guns to help the State maintain its authority. But we still need them for self defense.  
So I don't want to take any guns from you.
But I do hope you harbor no illusions about how effective they would be against a determined federal government.
The Bundy ranch standoff was over a herd of cattle. If it was over an armory or a refinery or a seaport or an airport, those hobbyists with AR-15s would get cleared out with a single sweep from an A-10.  Believe it.  I don't want you or anyone else who listens to that specious line of reasoning to be on the losing end of something like that.

I was always taught never to start a fight, but if someone bigger than you started one, you never back down. You may lose, but you make them know they've been in a fight.

That has the color and texture of some heroic attitude, but in this context, it's poop to the core.  Applying that attitude against your duly elected government puts you in the company of David Koresh and Tim McVeigh.

Besides, the government here usually uses peaceful means first.  The Bundy's got years of written warning that they were liable to have their cattle seized.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Back to the election...

Trunp has NC and AK and GA going to manual recount and audit. Lawsuits in other swing states with affidavits up the wazoo.

Recent poll shows less than half believe Biden fairly elected.

Get that big bowl of popcorn ready. With butter.

Polls are usually wrong.

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I was always taught never to start a fight, but if someone bigger than you started one, you never back down. You may lose, but you make them know they've been in a fight.

That has the color and texture of some heroic attitude, but in this context, it's poop to the core.  Applying that attitude against your duly elected government puts you in the company of David Koresh and Tim McVeigh.

Besides, the government here usually uses peaceful means first.  The Bundy's got years of written warning that they were liable to have their cattle seized.

That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard and it doesn't apply at all. Koresh was a cult leader and McVeigh was a terrorist who attacked the government, by blowing up the federal building. They have nothing in common with one another other than they both had mental issues and certainly have nothing in common with our discussion. You're obviously grasping at straws! LOL. 

Please explain your logic on how McVeigh and Koresh have anything to do with the threat of government officials going door to door and stealing (confiscating) guns from law abiding citizens who have never been in trouble with the law and have no mental conditions? This explanation should be interesting. I know it's not gonna make a bit of sense.

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Why the vitriol.though?

I've noticed women politicians seem to get the most vilification around here. Underlying issues?

What is it with liberals that you must view everything through a race, gender or sexual orientation lens?  Kamalia Harris could be Carl Harris, white and 58 and if “he” had the same political leanings conservatives would be against him.  Perhaps you should look at your own underlying issues?

It's called identity politics. I looked up the definition a few days ago and it's worse than I thought it was. Liberals live, breathe and see everything through that lens.

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I was just commenting on what I've seen on this board. I'm sure most right minded folk don't care on the gender of their politicians.

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Why the vitriol.though?

I've noticed women politicians seem to get the most vilification around here. Underlying issues?

What is it with liberals that you must view everything through a race, gender or sexual orientation lens?  Kamalia Harris could be Carl Harris, white and 58 and if “he” had the same political leanings conservatives would be against him.  Perhaps you should look at your own underlying issues?

In the thread started on this board about the selection of Sen. Harris as Biden’s running mate, a frequent and somehow respected contributor here posted that her success was due to who she slept with early in her career. She is the daughter of immigrants, raised in a single-parent household by her mother. Got a law degree, became a prosecutor then attorney general of the most populous state in our nation, elected senator to represent the same state. That post was followed by several jokes about Harris’s supposed sexual behavior. When I objected, I was told to lighten up, it was a joke. There were also posts saying the only reason she was chosen was she was a woman and a minority.

On the other hand we have Donald Trump, friend of Jeffrey Epstein, in his third marriage, bragged about putting moves on married women and grabbing the [BLEEP] of anybody he chose, kissing women without asking, had affairs with a porn star and a Playboy model and all we hear are excuses or cries of fake news. No jokes unless you count the ones revealing admiration for his sexual prowess.

And one other thing, as a woman and a person of color Senator Harris represents a large demographic of the Democratic party, but her choice was called pandering. Trump’s running mate was a conservative white evangelical Christian, why was adding him to the ticket not called pandering to a much needed and valued voting block of Republicans? 

I don’t remember any objection or opposing opinion expressed by you to any of these posts, perhaps you have underlying issues when it comes to women.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
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Willly Brown is responsible for the success of KH political career.

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Arizona Update

Yavapai County Edition

Small Drop: 377 ballots but good for DJT.

Trump: 285 (76%)
Biden: 86 (23%)

Biden lead now down to 12,828 votes.

A mandatory recount is probably a 35%-50% chance.

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Another interesting article concerning Trump's situation with the lawsuits he'll have to fight in the near future.


Why Trump Fears Leaving the White House

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"We believe in victory!"   - Gus Bradley
"I don't want to believe.  I want to know."   - Carl Sagan

Another interesting article concerning Trump's situation with the lawsuits he'll have to fight in the near future.


Why Trump Fears Leaving the White House

A Bloomberg opinion article.

<big wet fart noise>

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That has the color and texture of some heroic attitude, but in this context, it's poop to the core.  Applying that attitude against your duly elected government puts you in the company of David Koresh and Tim McVeigh.

Besides, the government here usually uses peaceful means first.  The Bundy's got years of written warning that they were liable to have their cattle seized.

That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard and it doesn't apply at all. Koresh was a cult leader and McVeigh was a terrorist who attacked the government, by blowing up the federal building. They have nothing in common with one another other than they both had mental issues and certainly have nothing in common with our discussion. You're obviously grasping at straws! LOL. 

Please explain your logic on how McVeigh and Koresh have anything to do with the threat of government officials going door to door and stealing (confiscating) guns from law abiding citizens who have never been in trouble with the law and have no mental conditions? This explanation should be interesting. I know it's not gonna make a bit of sense.

I think you should look a little more deeply into what Koresh did, and why he had ATF, and not some other law enforcement agency, knocking on his door.
But, you're being a bit too specific.
I don't think the government can or should do the kind of door to door gun confiscation you're describing. That's why were talking past each other. You have that specific scenario in mind, but I can't even imagine it. I have a broader set of scenarios in mind when people claim that they use guns to resist their own government, and some of the scenarios I have in mind actually happened..

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Willly Brown is responsible for the success of KH political career.

I'm sure that relationship played a role early on.  I'm also sure that she's gotten many promotions since then without paying those kinds of favors.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Arizona Update

Yavapai County Edition

Small Drop:  377 ballots but good for DJT.

Trump: 285 (76%)
Biden: 86 (23%)

Biden lead now down to 12,828 votes.

A mandatory recount is probably a 35%-50% chance.

https://twitter.com/Garrett_Archer/statu...76416?s=19

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I'm shocked people think anything will change. The election is over but count the votes again. Count them three times. It's done. Bernie Sanders word for word predicted this would happen with the same exact states. People in this country are tired of the hate and division. Your commander Cheeto is literally focusing more on this recount than the hundreds of thousands of cases surging of the virus every day. This clown is getting evicted. Did anyone really think this big headed fool would leave easily? He's an ego-maniac. He's had this as a plan B forever. Why do you think he was so against mail-in ballots in all of these debates? It's sad. It's unpresidential and a disgrace to the American democracy the way he behaves.

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Do you see the irony in criticizing someone's behavior while calling them a clown, big headed fool, and making fun of their skin complexion?

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Do you see the irony in criticizing someone's behavior while calling them a clown, big headed fool, and making fun of their skin complexion?

I'm not the leader of the free world. I'm not sitting in the position of power that's on the brink of saving or dividing our country. So no.

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You people should have known better. Did you really think Trump would just lay down and let these cheaters get away with this? Buckle up.

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Do you see the irony in criticizing someone's behavior while calling them a clown, big headed fool, and making fun of their skin complexion?

I'm not the leader of the free world. I'm not sitting in the position of power that's on the brink of saving or dividing our country. So no.

If you pay attention, Trump isn't the one dividing our country.

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You people should have known better. Did you really think Trump would just lay down and let these cheaters get away with this? Buckle up.

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I'm not the leader of the free world. I'm not sitting in the position of power that's on the brink of saving or dividing our country. So no.

If you pay attention, Trump isn't the one dividing our country.

Yeah a president saying there's good people on both sides of a racist hate march is a real step in the right direction towards unity.

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You people should have known better. Did you really think Trump would just lay down and let these cheaters get away with this? Buckle up.

Have you watched the video from the MIT grad, PHD and a bunch of other letters, showing how the machines were rigged to remove votes from Trump as Republicans got more votes? After 20% Republican support, there was a linear drop of support that was not natural. Either votes were being switched or fractioned away or Biden had votes added that didn't exist. Then all the vote switching that is documented and being investigated.

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That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard and it doesn't apply at all. Koresh was a cult leader and McVeigh was a terrorist who attacked the government, by blowing up the federal building. They have nothing in common with one another other than they both had mental issues and certainly have nothing in common with our discussion. You're obviously grasping at straws! LOL. 

Please explain your logic on how McVeigh and Koresh have anything to do with the threat of government officials going door to door and stealing (confiscating) guns from law abiding citizens who have never been in trouble with the law and have no mental conditions? This explanation should be interesting. I know it's not gonna make a bit of sense.

I think you should look a little more deeply into what Koresh did, and why he had ATF, and not some other law enforcement agency, knocking on his door.
But, you're being a bit too specific.
I don't think the government can or should do the kind of door to door gun confiscation you're describing.  That's why were talking past each other.  You have that specific scenario in mind, but I can't even imagine it.  I have a broader set of scenarios in mind when people claim that they use guns to resist their own government, and some of the scenarios I have in mind actually happened..

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I think you are talking about a much broader idea here. You are using cult leaders and terrorists who try to justify their own actions to resist the government, but I'm specifically talking about average, every day people who have done nothing wrong. As for the door to door confiscations, it is hard to imagine because it's a ridiculous concept. A concept seriously put out there by a presidential candidate (Beto O'Rourke) and seriously agreed with by Kamala Harris and now that ridiculous concept is very much in play, since Harris is the new V.P.

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You people should have known better. Did you really think Trump would just lay down and let these cheaters get away with this? Buckle up.

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I'm not the leader of the free world. I'm not sitting in the position of power that's on the brink of saving or dividing our country. So no.

If you pay attention, Trump isn't the one dividing our country.

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Arizona Update

Yavapai County Edition

Small Drop:  377 ballots but good for DJT.

Trump: 285 (76%)
Biden: 86 (23%)

Biden lead now down to 12,828 votes.

A mandatory recount is probably a 35%-50% chance.

Arizona Attorney General Mark Brnovich, a Republican, told Fox News on Wednesday that Trump has likely lost the state and there is no evidence of voter fraud.

Votes are still being counted but TV networks and the AP have projected a Biden win in Arizona. Brnovich said he believed the calls would hold true after the count is finished.

“If indeed there was some great conspiracy, it apparently didn’t work,” Brnovich said.

“That’s the reality,” he said. “There is no evidence, there are no facts that would lead anyone to believe that the election results will change.”

https://twitter.com/i/status/1326644583619588097

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