I think what a lot of Trump supporters might be missing is that what Trump attorneys say outside of court and what they say in court are two different things.  They make a lot of allegations, but when they actually get to court, they are much more guarded in terms of what they allege.  Outside of court, they scream about voter fraud.  In court, when they are questioned by judges, they have been forced to admit they aren't alleging voter fraud because they don't have evidence of it.  

This is why there haven't been evidentiary hearings.   A judge says, "You're making this charge, what evidence would you present?"  And time after time after hearing the answer to that question, the judge has said, "You don't have enough evidence to bring a case."  

Donald Trump And His Lawyers Are Making Sweeping Allegations of Voter Fraud In Public. In Court, They Say No Such Thing

Keep in mind, I am not a Trump supporter. I am anti-progressive. 

I have watched several of the court hearings, and most of the congressional hearings. Sidney Powell, for example, asked the judge for 5 days to examine dominion voting machines and was denied. You can not get the kind of evidence required without a proper investigation, and, if the states won't authorize it, it won't be done. I understand why the courts are making the choices that they are making, but you are using that to conclude that fraud did not occur, which is incorrect. We have evidence that irregularities occurred, but the powers that be are choosing not to do a rigorous search.

When you say, "the powers that be" does that include Attorney General Barr?  

And, if Sidney Powell has evidence that Dominion voting machines are part of some conspiracy, why does she need 5 days to examine them?  She should just present her evidence.  It sounds like she is asking for 5 days so she can try to find the evidence.  

"Your honor, Dominion voting machines are part of a giant conspiracy."
"What is your evidence?"
"Give me 5 days and I'll find it."  
"No.  Just... no. Get the hell out of here and stop wasting the court's time with unsubstantiated charges."

And again, Georgia did a hand recount which showed the Dominion machines were accurate.

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Wait. We are in for a rude awakening?

Hahahahaha

My man. Stay off the Internet for a while. I think it’ll do you some good.

Dueling electors sent for NV,GA,PA and AZ and the day isn't over yet. Yes bud, you will be very surprised about what comes next.

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Wait. We are in for a rude awakening?

Hahahahaha

My man. Stay off the Internet for a while. I think it’ll do you some good.

Dueling electors sent for NV,GA,PA and AZ and the day isn't over yet. Yes bud, you will be very surprised about what comes next.

What's coming next?

Is this where Trump declares martial law?

By the way, those 4 states have today cast their electoral college votes for Joe Biden.  Where are these "dueling electors?"

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Wait. We are in for a rude awakening?

Hahahahaha

My man. Stay off the Internet for a while. I think it’ll do you some good.

Dueling electors sent for NV,GA,PA and AZ and the day isn't over yet. Yes bud, you will be very surprised about what comes next.

Oh no! What’s gonna come next?!

Once it’s all over (and it already is) what are you going to do next? Leave the country? Go up  to DC and join those Proud Boys?

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Ha, I'm not a seer, I cannot predict the future. But unlike you guys, who can't even be bothered to read one 50 pg. Document or watch a 3 minute video and get your news from Forbes headlines, I've seen a lot of stuff and heard a lot of chatter.

Ya'll probably haven't even figured out yet that Trump passed an EO in 2018 dealing with this exact situation yet. Let alone the EO he quietly passed this weekend.

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I asked a friend if he thought Forbes was liberal media and was biased and he sent me this !

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/forbes/

It's biased towards the right ?!

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Ha, I'm not a seer, I cannot predict the future. But unlike you guys, who can't even be bothered to read one 50 pg. Document or watch a 3 minute video and get your news from Forbes headlines, I've seen a lot of stuff and heard a lot of chatter.

Ya'll probably haven't even figured out yet that Trump passed an EO in 2018 dealing with this exact situation yet. Let alone the EO he quietly passed this weekend.

Which EO was that?  Tell us more.

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Ha, I'm not a seer, I cannot predict the future. But unlike you guys, who can't even be bothered to read one 50 pg. Document or watch a 3 minute video and get your news from Forbes headlines, I've seen a lot of stuff and heard a lot of chatter.

Ya'll probably haven't even figured out yet that Trump passed an EO in 2018 dealing with this exact situation yet. Let alone the EO he quietly passed this weekend.

Man. Trump needs you hire you!

Hey Trump! Random guy who fell for the Minshew craze has seen a 3 minute video! He’s got the answers, he has seen A LOT OF STUFF AND HEARD A LOT OF CHATTER!

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Ha, I'm not a seer, I cannot predict the future. But unlike you guys, who can't even be bothered to read one 50 pg. Document or watch a 3 minute video and get your news from Forbes headlines, I've seen a lot of stuff and heard a lot of chatter.

Ya'll probably haven't even figured out yet that Trump passed an EO in 2018 dealing with this exact situation yet. Let alone the EO he quietly passed this weekend.

Man. Trump needs you hire you!

Hey Trump! Random guy who fell for the Minshew craze has seen a 3 minute video! He’s got the answers, he has seen A LOT OF STUFF AND HEARD A LOT OF CHATTER!

...and probably witnessed some big Trump rallies and a ton of Trump lawn signs, proving that Trump really won the election.

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"We believe in victory!"   - Gus Bradley
"I don't want to believe.  I want to know."   - Carl Sagan

Keep in mind, I am not a Trump supporter. I am anti-progressive. 

I have watched several of the court hearings, and most of the congressional hearings. Sidney Powell, for example, asked the judge for 5 days to examine dominion voting machines and was denied. You can not get the kind of evidence required without a proper investigation, and, if the states won't authorize it, it won't be done. I understand why the courts are making the choices that they are making, but you are using that to conclude that fraud did not occur, which is incorrect. We have evidence that irregularities occurred, but the powers that be are choosing not to do a rigorous search.

When you say, "the powers that be" does that include Attorney General Barr?  

And, if Sidney Powell has evidence that Dominion voting machines are part of some conspiracy, why does she need 5 days to examine them?  She should just present her evidence.  It sounds like she is asking for 5 days so she can try to find the evidence.  

"Your honor, Dominion voting machines are part of a giant conspiracy."
"What is your evidence?"
"Give me 5 days and I'll find it."  
"No.  Just... no. Get the hell out of here and stop wasting the court's time with unsubstantiated charges."

And again, Georgia did a hand recount which showed the Dominion machines were accurate.

You're arguing in circles, dude. There is evidence something odd happened. There is plenty of it. There are affidavits from personnel who said they saw instances of people scanning the same ballots through the machines multiple times. There is forensic proof that the same ballots can be scanned and counted. This is countered by hand count argument that you reference, but that neglects the affidavits that point out the many occasions where conservative observers were kicked out while election workers continued the count in private. We aren't doing an audit on signatures in the hand count, so the quickest way is to examine the machines. Conveniently, the logs were wiped in Fulton county, and, now Antirim county in MI (double check that last bit). We still have logs from elections 4 years ago, so why are they wiping the machines in the counties in question? 

Everything listed above is evidence of sorts. It's not conclusive evidence. It's not enough to overturn an election. It should be enough to get a state official or a judge to do a forensic audit of the machines. This is not counting some of the other reports that speak to the inconsistency of the machines. I don't know how much I trust that, though. It's hard to find sources for a lot of the trash that's flying around the internet. 

I don't know what's up with Barr. I really don't. He gave the attorney's general of the states permission to bring him evidence. They haven't. I haven't seen anything that shows there's a federal investigation into these matters. I have only watched what I was able to (mostly state hearings and trials), and tried to follow the data. The federal stuff has not been made available.

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Man. Trump needs you hire you!

Hey Trump! Random guy who fell for the Minshew craze has seen a 3 minute video! He’s got the answers, he has seen A LOT OF STUFF AND HEARD A LOT OF CHATTER!

...and probably witnessed some big Trump rallies and a ton of Trump lawn signs, proving that Trump really won the election.

Will be used by Trump until he is no longer useful and then Trump will discredit him and try to fire him.

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Man you guys are arrogant. Now it doesn't surprise me how you can't see what's literally right in front of you.

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AG Barr resigned.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Meh.  I don't care how much liberals "gloat" and "glee".  I still think that the election was rigged/stolen.  It doesn't really matter though, I've come to accept that we are going to have 4 years probably less than a year of sleepy Joe and eventually have to deal with Kamala Harris.  Liberals will rejoice because she will be the first female and a black woman to hold the office.  After all, that's why she was selected in the first place.

In the meantime Biden will put Obama re-treads into key positions until his eventual departure from the office.

My biggest concern at this point is how China is going to own us.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

Man you guys are arrogant. Now it doesn't surprise me how you can't see what's literally right in front of you.

Go Minshew!

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Meh.  I don't care how much liberals "gloat" and "glee".  I still think that the election was rigged/stolen.  It doesn't really matter though, I've come to accept that we are going to have 4 years probably less than a year of sleepy Joe and eventually have to deal with Kamala Harris.  Liberals will rejoice because she will be the first female and a black woman to hold the office.  After all, that's why she was selected in the first place.

In the meantime Biden will put Obama re-treads into key positions until his eventual departure from the office.

My biggest concern at this point is how China is going to own us.

You're letting these three idiots walk all over this thread with comments like these.

[BLEEP] about to kick off. Sit back and enjoy the fireworks.

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Meh.  I don't care how much liberals "gloat" and "glee".  I still think that the election was rigged/stolen.  It doesn't really matter though, I've come to accept that we are going to have 4 years probably less than a year of sleepy Joe and eventually have to deal with Kamala Harris.  Liberals will rejoice because she will be the first female and a black woman to hold the office.  After all, that's why she was selected in the first place.

In the meantime Biden will put Obama re-treads into key positions until his eventual departure from the office.

My biggest concern at this point is how China is going to own us.

You're letting these three idiots walk all over this thread with comments like these.

[BLEEP] about to kick off. Sit back and enjoy the fireworks.

Hahahaha

I have my popcorn ready sir!

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Meh.  I don't care how much liberals "gloat" and "glee".  I still think that the election was rigged/stolen.  It doesn't really matter though, I've come to accept that we are going to have 4 years probably less than a year of sleepy Joe and eventually have to deal with Kamala Harris.  Liberals will rejoice because she will be the first female and a black woman to hold the office.  After all, that's why she was selected in the first place.

In the meantime Biden will put Obama re-treads into key positions until his eventual departure from the office.

My biggest concern at this point is how China is going to own us.

China is going to own everyone.  We sold our soul looking for the cheapest labour to make our stuff cheaply.  We passed the point of no return

Reaping the seeds that have been sown.

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Meh.  I don't care how much liberals "gloat" and "glee".  I still think that the election was rigged/stolen.  It doesn't really matter though, I've come to accept that we are going to have 4 years probably less than a year of sleepy Joe and eventually have to deal with Kamala Harris.  Liberals will rejoice because she will be the first female and a black woman to hold the office.  After all, that's why she was selected in the first place.

In the meantime Biden will put Obama re-treads into key positions until his eventual departure from the office.

My biggest concern at this point is how China is going to own us.

China is going to own everyone.  We sold our soul looking for the cheapest labour to make our stuff cheaply.  We passed the point of no return

Reaping the seeds that have been sown.

We didn't pass it, but might have now. At least Trump woke everyone up about the topic.

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Biden almost left us on stage. Wow. I bet the Kamala family is so joyful right now. Biden might not make it to the inauguration.

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