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Priority to build Offense > Defense
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Don't forget that FA is before the draft. We'll see which positions we need to draft after that.
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Lets throw the bank at Trent Williams so we know we have Trevors blindside protected.
With the 25th pick, draft best available defender (preferably in the secondary. The rest of the picks, just keep drafting BAP.
(01-17-2021, 02:59 PM)enigma Wrote:(01-17-2021, 02:31 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: Here's a thought, just take the best players you can and stop thinking you can manufacture guys magically out of thin air. If I can't distinguish ability between two players then I'm taking the one with higher positional value. So if there are a running back and a defensive back that I think have similar talents for their position I'll take the defensive back. If I thought they both were equal, say defensive lineman and offensive lineman then I'd take whichever one I think I have more need at. The idea of building the offense up is fine, but don't pass on JJ Watt because you think you need a quarterback more.
I agree Offense should be prioritized. Look at the Rams last night. The #1 defense got handled easily by the packers. The rules have shifted too much towards the offense.
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(01-17-2021, 04:01 PM)SeldomRite Wrote:(01-17-2021, 02:59 PM)enigma Wrote: And when you have two equally or near-equally rated players, one on offense and the other on defense, which way will you swing? This and this
I don't think there needs to be any lopsided focus.
There are crucial pieces needed on both sides of the ball. The GM and HC will simply have to analyze scenarios to fill some spots through the draft and others through FA. I seriously doubt they'll be overly concerned about one side of the ball or the other - but rather which individual positions will be granted priority in terms of draft capital or FA dollars. I wouldn't feel any need to emphasize weapons for the assumed new QB, but prioritizing better protection should fit into the offseason equation somewhere. There are plenty of picks and plenty of cap space to upgrade TE, and also address the guard and tackle positions without having to miss out on a stud DT or DB in the process because you're focused on overemphasizing offense.
(01-16-2021, 08:45 PM)enigma Wrote: With the way the NFL has been transitioning, I think we need to focus on building our offense heavily this offseason - especially through the draft and FA. I'm not saying to neglect the defense but it's clear that when all things are equal with regards to offense vs defense, the offense prevails in this scoring league. Just watch Mahomes and Co in Kansas City or even with today's game with GB's #1 offense against the Rams #1 defense. That's what I wanted last year when we were trying to find out if Minshew was the answer. I wanted Wills, Lamb and maybe Akers in the second but "we need defense" and "O-line is fine". We would have those 3 guys ready for Trevor. O-line should be the priority (FA's if possible) TE and maybe a WR. Depends on who is available at the moment of our picks though. I am a fan, not a cheerleader.
Oline should be a focus in free agency. I would hope we are able to plug a few hole via free agency thst it will just let us draft bap within reason, I’d rather have a quality left tackle than a high priced cb if it comes down to it. We can’t let Trevor drop back and take a beating and ruin him.
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(01-16-2021, 09:11 PM)Upper Wrote: Yet if you actually talk to people they think our offense is set except for TE. I've literally seen more than 50% of people say our WRs are fine as is, Robinson is a stud (that one is true), our IOL is set, we should give Robinson a mid level deal or franchise tag, and Taylor has been bad but deserves another chance. I respect your opinion but I think a good QB makes an average Oline look really good. I think Trevor will make our line look miles better than what it is. Robinson rushed for 1070 in 14 games behind this same Oline. I think our WR are going to be better once Lawrence is our QB as well. Eifert at TE is just as good any rookie TE not named Kyle Pitts. Alls I’m saying is Trevor Lawrence is going to make our entire team better.
(01-18-2021, 12:29 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote:(01-16-2021, 09:11 PM)Upper Wrote: Yet if you actually talk to people they think our offense is set except for TE. I've literally seen more than 50% of people say our WRs are fine as is, Robinson is a stud (that one is true), our IOL is set, we should give Robinson a mid level deal or franchise tag, and Taylor has been bad but deserves another chance. We're not average though. We have bad OT's and an average interior. We MUST upgrade the OT's or we're gonna end up with a Joe Burrow situation. We are fine at receiver though. I also believe we will be fine at TE, even if we don't get a big name. That would not prevent me from pursuing Jonnu Smith in free agency though. I still make him a priority signing.
(01-18-2021, 12:29 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote:(01-16-2021, 09:11 PM)Upper Wrote: Yet if you actually talk to people they think our offense is set except for TE. I've literally seen more than 50% of people say our WRs are fine as is, Robinson is a stud (that one is true), our IOL is set, we should give Robinson a mid level deal or franchise tag, and Taylor has been bad but deserves another chance. ![]() So you think Trevor will be at Manning's level in his rookie year?? could you remind me why Luck retired and how was his career? Weird how the Texans traded for Tunsil if "good QBs can make O-lines look better". No, it's not good QBs, it is great QBs who are able to do that. Trevor will be a rookie. Only an idiot would not upgrade our O-line. I am a fan, not a cheerleader. (01-18-2021, 12:29 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote:(01-16-2021, 09:11 PM)Upper Wrote: Yet if you actually talk to people they think our offense is set except for TE. I've literally seen more than 50% of people say our WRs are fine as is, Robinson is a stud (that one is true), our IOL is set, we should give Robinson a mid level deal or franchise tag, and Taylor has been bad but deserves another chance. Our IOL when healthy, which is a big caveat since Linder misses so much time, is probably a little above average. Our OTs are bottom tier. They are fine run blockers, but protecting the future of the franchise is far more important and both Cam and Jawaan are awful at that. At TE we should sign one of Henry, Jonnu, or Everett because like you said it's unlikely that a rookie will come in an contribute much. Eifert sucks. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (01-18-2021, 10:16 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:(01-18-2021, 12:29 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: I respect your opinion but I think a good QB makes an average Oline look really good. I think Trevor will make our line look miles better than what it is. This OL was exactly dead center in the middle of the pack of all the OLs in the league, in QB hits allowed. I'd say you couldn't get much more average than that.. The OL can definitely get better, but it's not as awful as some of you guys try and make it out to be.
(01-18-2021, 06:52 PM)Eric1 Wrote:(01-18-2021, 10:16 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: We're not average though. We have bad OT's and an average interior. We MUST upgrade the OT's or we're gonna end up with a Joe Burrow situation. We are fine at receiver though. I also believe we will be fine at TE, even if we don't get a big name. That would not prevent me from pursuing Jonnu Smith in free agency though. I still make him a priority signing. You have to examine that stat a little closer though. The vast majority of those hits on the QB came via the OT positions. They have to be improved.
(01-18-2021, 06:52 PM)Eric1 Wrote:(01-18-2021, 10:16 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: We're not average though. We have bad OT's and an average interior. We MUST upgrade the OT's or we're gonna end up with a Joe Burrow situation. We are fine at receiver though. I also believe we will be fine at TE, even if we don't get a big name. That would not prevent me from pursuing Jonnu Smith in free agency though. I still make him a priority signing. Gruden runs an offense designed for quick short passes. Your QB doesn't get hit much on quick routes and plays. The problem was when the QB had to hold the ball for deeper plays to develop. That's when the QB got hit too much. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
I would take a different view than some of you. I'm not a believer that just because you draft a quarterback first that you must focus exclusively on offense. I'm a believer that the best way for a team to improve is to turn your weaknesses into strengths. That means if the value is equal, you go after needs, wherever they are. With plenty of money in free agency and extra draft picks, we should be able to plan it so that value meets need. I do think we have more weaknesses on defense and I think we'll have more new defensive starters next year than offensive ones.
In regards to the offense, the Jaguars running game was good. The passing game sucked. Change starts with the quarterback in Trevor Lawrence. We then need a better left tackle. I would like Trent Williams, but so do a lot of other teams. If we can't get him, use a high draft pick on left tackle. I would also upgrade tight end. I would decline the option on Eifert which is for way more money than he's worth. Use that money plus some of our other money under the cap and get either Jonnu Smith or Hunter Henry in free agency. We won't be drafting high enough to get Kyle Pitts and rookies tight ends often don't produce initially. While I understand people's frustration with Taylor, I don't see him being replaced so soon. Let's hope a new offensive line coach can get the full potential out of him. While it wouldn't be completely off the table, I don't think that we make a major acquisition at wide receiver. Our wide receivers will look better with a better quarterback. Shenault and Johnson were also rookies who likely will take a step up in year two. (01-18-2021, 08:37 PM)Predator Wrote:(01-18-2021, 06:52 PM)Eric1 Wrote: This OL was exactly dead center in the middle of the pack of all the OLs in the league, in QB hits allowed. I'd say you couldn't get much more average than that.. The OL can definitely get better, but it's not as awful as some of you guys try and make it out to be. I agree with this line of thinking. Middle of the pack in hits allowed in a Gruden offense is quite bad. |
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