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You want to think this over again?  He throws by far less screens than any other of the top QBs, has just as much intermediate, and more 6-10 yard passes.  Proven wrong you are.  The force is not strong in this one.

 

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Look at the number of screens compared to the other QB's though.

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

You want to think this over again?  He throws by far less screens than any other of the top QBs, has just as much intermediate, and more 6-10 yard passes.  Proven wrong you are.  The force is not strong in this one.

What do passes in the 6-10 yard range have to do with "inflated completion percentage because of how many passes he throws don't break 5 yards."

 

Reading is fundamental sir. 

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And if you are wanting to specifically point out the 6-10 yard range, then yes, we know that UL's offense was designed to be highly reliant on Teddy's exceptional proficiency in the 3rd and long department. He blew away the entire NCAA field in both third and long attempts and conversion %. 

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What do passes in the 6-10 yard range have to do with "<span style="background-color:rgb(247,247,247);">inflated completion percentage because of how many passes he throws don't break 5 yards
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Reading is fundamental sir.

Ummm, he throws a lower percentage of passes (42.55) than Manziel (46.85) and Bortles (48.34) that go less than 5 yards.

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Ummm, he throws a lower percentage of passes (42.55) than Manziel (46.85) and Bortles (48.34) that go less than 5 yards.

That's exactly what I've said three times now in the last 2 or 3 pages. I don't get why they keep referencing dumb scouting reports from people who don't know the facts. 

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Dude I just refuted that two pages ago. Out of the top 4 QBs he has the lowest % of completions sub 5 yards, and less than half of the % behind the LOS as the other 3. 

 

 

I find it funny over the years how QBs got bashed for throwing screens to beef up their stats, Teddy throws way less screens then these guys but but he's the dinker lol, Haters will come up with anything to try and look good.

 

Teddy screen numbers is prob lower then any QB in the past few years, and over 10% lower then all these guys is a huge disparity, 6-10 is where you need a QB to be the best at and he is 5% higher then all of them there.

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Teddy screen numbers is prob lower then any QB in the past few years, and over 10% lower then all these guys is a huge disparity, 6-10 is where you need a QB to be the best at and he is 5% higher then all of them there.

It's true, the NFL is a move the chains league (which Teddy laps this field in)...but people are always going to be too enamored with the highly overrated deep passes, of which Teddy is still very competitive in as well actually. 

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Dude I just refuted that two pages ago. Out of the top 4 QBs he has the lowest % of completions sub 5 yards, and less than half of the % behind the LOS as the other 3. 

 

 

 

Only thing this chart tells me is that Manziel is the most balanced QB on where he throws the ball. And it helps proves he does read the field, as his favorite target is the OPEN one....much like Drew Brees philosophy on the Saints.

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He won't be throwing tomorrow

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Only thing this chart tells me is that Manziel is the most balanced QB on where he throws the ball. And it helps proves he does read the field, as his favorite target is the OPEN one....much like Drew Brees philosophy on the Saints.

Actually, it should tell you that Teddy dominates the "NFL throws" in the short/intermediate ranges (1-20 yards) that 90% of NFL throws are made up of. Manziel targets are dominated by the dink and dunk and the deep ball ranges...which can probably work in the right scheme but is not is certainly not NFL prototypical. 

 

Your quote just shows that people will/can twist virtually any stats to mean whatever they want them to mean to defend their guy...which we are all guilty of to be honest. I make a conscious effort to try to do it as little as possible but it still happens.  

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Actually, it should tell you that Teddy dominates the "NFL throws" in the short/intermediate ranges (1-20 yards) that 90% of NFL throws are made up of.

 

Manziel targets are dominated by the dink and dunk and the deep ball ranges...

I have no problem with what you are saying about Teddy. But if you are going to use that chart to back Teddy up.....

 

Then how can you say that about Manziel when almost 60% of his passes are 1-20 yards? If 60% of his passes are in that range then his targets aren't dominated by dink and dunk and deep balls.

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I think these charts are more telling:

 


 
Bridgewater's accuracy all around looks good for the most part.  20+ yards could be a little better, but it could also be worse.  This chart also has me liking Bortles more.  

 
Manziel against blitzing is also a concern.  Bridgewater's numbers here are pretty impressive.  As are Bortles again.  

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

Only thing this chart tells me is that Manziel is the most balanced QB on where he throws the ball. And it helps proves he does read the field, as his favorite target is the OPEN one....much like Drew Brees philosophy on the Saints.

How many of those completed passes were just jump balls to Evans?


Manziel will not be average in the NFL. I think hes either going to be really good or really bad. We cant have that.


At this point I think its Teddy or Clowney. And if they're both there, Caldwell will pick Clowney.

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I think these charts are more telling:

 

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Bridgewater's accuracy all around looks good for the most part.  20+ yards could be a little better, but it could also be worse.  This chart also has me liking Bortles more.  

 
Manziel against blitzing is also a concern.  Bridgewater's numbers here are pretty impressive.  As are Bortles again.  
 

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Yes, Teddy not only attempts the most "NFL throws", but he also is very efficient in them as well. I said that earlier but didn't add those charts. Thanks.

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These stats also tell me please let teddy fall, and I really think Carr needs to sit for a few years

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How many of those completed passes were just jump balls to Evans?

And if they're both there, Caldwell will pick Clowney.

 

How many jump balls go to Jimmy Graham, Megatron, Julio Jones, Anquan Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald, Gronk, etc.....its a part of trusting the players you have to make a play. Even the best QBs do this. It's not like every single pass to Evans was like that.

 

Also on your second point. I agree. If Clowney is there I want him over any of the QBs.

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I think these charts are more telling:

 

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Bridgewater's accuracy all around looks good for the most part.  20+ yards could be a little better, but it could also be worse.  This chart also has me liking Bortles more.  

 
Manziel against blitzing is also a concern.  Bridgewater's numbers here are pretty impressive.  As are Bortles again.  
 

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No offense but the defense Manziels teams faced on a consistent basis were much better than the teams TB faced. This chart is assuming all things are equal which they aren't. (i.e. Bridgewater didn't have a 6' 4" saftey net at WR). I think people just need to realize that Manziel and Bridgewater are both good prospects. Of course some people are going to like one over the other, but that doesn't automatically mean the other one is bad.

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No offense but the defense Manziels teams faced on a consistent basis were much better than the teams TB faced. This chart is assuming all things are equal which they aren't. (i.e. Bridgewater didn't have a 6' 4" saftey net at WR). I think people just need to realize that Manziel and Bridgewater are both good prospects. Of course some people are going to like one over the other, but that doesn't automatically mean the other one is bad.

As the great Greg Cosell said, it just comes down to how much of a leap of faith you want to take. It's extremely easy to watch Teddy play and see how it will translate into very good NFL play. Manziel shows intriguing tools but the translation is very fuzzy, it could work out but it's very risky also. With a top 5 pick I just don't see how you can take that leap of faith, especially if Teddy or Clowney is still on the board. 

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No offense but the defense Manziels teams faced on a consistent basis were much better than the teams TB faced. This chart is assuming all things are equal which they aren't. (i.e. Bridgewater didn't have a 6' 4" saftey net at WR). I think people just need to realize that Manziel and Bridgewater are both good prospects. Of course some people are going to like one over the other, but that doesn't automatically mean the other one is bad.

 

The defenses that Bridgewater faced are closer to the defenses that Manziel faced; than the defenses that Manziel faced are to the defenses in the NFL.  

 

I think that Manziel's skillset doesn't necessarily translate well into the NFL.  And I don't think he can be a pocket passer.  Personally, I want the pocket passer.  I wouldn't want Colin Kaepernick for example.  

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

As the great Greg Cosell said, it just comes down to how much of a leap of faith you want to take. It's extremely easy to watch Teddy play and see how it will translate into very good NFL play. Manziel shows intriguing tools but the translation is very fuzzy, it could work out but it's very risky also. With a top 5 pick I just don't see how you can take that leap of faith, especially if Teddy or Clowney is still on the board. 

Football is easy KY. If you want your first round pick to be successful then the best way to do that is run plays that play to his strengths. You hear it all the time from good players on well coached teams, that the staff allows them to do what they do.

 

I like to think we have that kind of staff now. So regardless of who we get I think we will be moving in the right direction.

 

All you really have to do is surround the QBs with talent. Every "great" QB in NFL history had talent around him. If you put the talent around either of these guys and play to their strengths then I think both will have long successful careers in the NFL. I just like Johnny more because he has shown me more as far as intangibles and clutch plays. Not saying Teddy doesn't have that in him, I have just seen it more with Johnny.

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