My argument is that size doesn't matter. Peyton Manning would be a future hall of fame QB if he was six feet tall and 200 pounds. What gives you success in the NFL is talent and work ethic. If you draft a guy who has each of those he will be a star,

Then why are the vast majority of good NFL QBs over 6'?? They just happen to have talent and work ethic at a muuuuch higher rate than the short guys? Size does matter, but it shouldn't eliminate you from consideration if you don't have perfect size.

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Him and OBJ are fighting for #3 WR right now. All 4 of them should be top 25 picks...could be looking at 6 or 7 1st round WRs this year even.

If that really is the case... Then waiting for a WR to the 3rd round may not get us good value after all. if all these guys will get picked high anyway..

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Then why are the vast majority of good NFL QBs over 6'?? They just happen to have talent and work ethic at a muuuuch higher rate than the short guys? Size does matter, but it shouldn't eliminate you from consideration if you don't have perfect size.

You can be at or under 6' and be a good QB, but you need to be above average to downright special in most other facets of the game. Russell Wilson is, Drew Brees is, Johnny Manziel...we'll see but the odds are against it. 

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Then why are the vast majority of good NFL QBs over 6'?? They just happen to have talent and work ethic at a muuuuch higher rate than the short guys? Size does matter, but it shouldn't eliminate you from consideration if you don't have perfect size.

Personally? I think it's because the league traditionally preferred the prototype QBs. There have been successful shorter QBs throughout NFL history. The league has just recently been more open to shorter guys.

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You can be at or under 6' and be a good QB, but you need to be above average to downright special in most other facets of the game. Russell Wilson is, Drew Brees is, Johnny Manziel...we'll see but the odds are against it.

Exactly. Every franchise QB needs a special trait about them. If they don't have one you shouldn't be drafting them.

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What's up with your boy Mike Hairlock?

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Exactly. Every franchise QB needs a special trait about them. If they don't have one you shouldn't be drafting them.

 

So one special trait is all a quarterback needs to be drafted?

 

Sorry, but it does not work that way. You need a quarterback who has all of the tools and intangibles.

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So one special trait is all a quarterback needs to be drafted?


Sorry, but it does not work that way. You need a quarterback who has all of the tools and intangibles.

Come on JW. That's obvious. What I'm talking about is a strength you can build an offense around. Manning's football IQ. Rodgers' strength. Obviously you have to check boxes but you also need something that sets you apart.

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Sammy Watkins is a beast.

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You can be at or under 6' and be a good QB, but you need to be above average to downright special in most other facets of the game. Russell Wilson is, Drew Brees is, Johnny Manziel...we'll see but the odds are against it. 

How the [BLEEP] are the odds against it?

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A lot of people talk about Manziel’s arm strength negatively, but I don’t see why. He has a very strong arm. From what I’ve seen, in terms of pure arm strength, I’d put him second above Bridgewater
and behind Mariota. He is able to throw the ball for chunks of yardage at a time through the air, and honestly he could probably throw it a whole lot further if he put his weight behind it (he has footwork issues which I’ll address later). One thing I was also pleasantly surprised with was his touch. He knows how to control the arc of the ball pretty well, but it’s not fantastic. I would also put him second in this category, with Mariota at third (Bridgewater is far and away the best touch passer in the country.) Anyway, I digress. He is also, as you can see from the statistics, very accurate. 80% accuracy against the best team in the country isn’t normal. It’s very good.

Sammy Watkins is a beast.

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Watkins makes it look easy.. his catches are so smooth. 

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What was Watkin's 40? Expecting 4.4ish

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What was Watkin's 40? Expecting 4.4ish

4.35

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If he is not one of the top five wide receivers, why would #39 be a fall instead of a reach?

There are about 10 WRs worth going in the top 40, thats not a reach 

 

 

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I rather not go WR until at least 3rd round, but my point was Cooks could fall to 39 and would be better value then Watkins at 3 as far as where the Jaguars need to go, for other teams Watkins would be better value, where as the person I was replying to said no way that will happen. 

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What was Watkin's 40? Expecting 4.4ish

yup official time is 4.43

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I thought Lee would put in a faster time.

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Moncrief is destroying the combine, not surprising me. Love this guy. 3rd fastest WR and his size is incredible

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"Expect for the best. Prepare for the worst. Capitalize on what comes."

 

Def wanna see the RB's we are in need of a starting RB as of right now, first time in years the Jaguars has not had a starting RB

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Dee Ford 6'2" and 252 lbs

 

That's 9 lbs heavier than he was at the senior bowl. 

 

Will be interesting to see how he runs.  But if this guy keeps his acceleration close to 260 lbs, he could be more than just a pass-rushing DE or OLB

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