He's a Jaguar right now, and it's sad to see so many anxious to see him fail/cut.  And to see so many laying the foundation for their excuse if he is not cut.

Just put yourself in a position to enjoy it if he's a goal line specialist that delivers some key touchdowns or first downs.  It doesn't mean that you can't preserve your pure hatred for his fans, what he stands for, etc.  But you'll be better for it if you root for Tim Tebow.

Well, it's probably because he got the job by being friends with the HC instead of actually deserving it.

He got the try out due to his friendship. He did not get signed due to his friendship. Big difference.

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. He's not a winner. Just a moron with controlling parents.

So in other words you are describing Tiger Woods.

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 Very few posters in this thread have come out  blatantly "rooting against" the guy while MANY more have merely expressed skepticism of his abilities. An more pointedly, his CURRENT abilities.

I disagree.  But I accept that as your assessment of what you see in this thread, with the full weight of your judgment.  Mere skepticism.  

I would describe me as skeptical, in terms of how I truly see it -- I can't imagine that he could contribute at an NFL level after switching positions at age 34.  In terms of what seems most plausible and "in the cards," Urban has "the talk" with Tebow and his career ends here, where the staff has to make the best decision for the team.  But it would be awesome if he's got it, and can assist -- because he's really really good at the things he's best at.

I see many people personally investing their entire credibility in this being a freak show, something where the fix is in and Tebow should never have been given this chance.  I don't see skepticism, I see full on emotional investment in his failure.

But I hear you -- your full judgment is you see none of that -- just healthy skepticism.   Got it.

Exactly, don't get why people continue to ignore his value as a short yardage and goal line runner. He has been highly effective at that his whole life.

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Honestly, why would a fan of this team want anyone to fail?

What irked me is the whole time from Urban becoming coach to the start of this circus was the culture discussion and all the talk and they go and do this. It could all work out but they sure have raked in Jesey sales.

This just hasn't been proven to be a real NFL franchise in so very long. The draft seemed great from acquiring Trevor but the other selections just seem meh.

I tired of being owned by the division and seeing so little development.

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Birth of the Franchise - November 30, 1993
Death of the Franchise - November 29, 2011

Fans deserve better. Thanks for all the good times too many are in the past.

Well, it's probably because he got the job by being friends with the HC instead of actually deserving it.

He got the try out due to his friendship. He did not get signed due to his friendship. Big difference.

Hahaha, sure.

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I am a fan, not a cheerleader.

Well, it's probably because he got the job by being friends with the HC instead of actually deserving it.

He got the try out due to his friendship. He did not get signed due to his friendship. Big difference.

Suuuuuuure.

“Hey random scout who’s gonna be fired. This is my good friend Tim Tebow. He’s going to crush this workout so be sure to let me know how it goes. I promise our friendship will have no bearing on the decision”

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I disagree.  But I accept that as your assessment of what you see in this thread, with the full weight of your judgment.  Mere skepticism.  

I would describe me as skeptical, in terms of how I truly see it -- I can't imagine that he could contribute at an NFL level after switching positions at age 34.  In terms of what seems most plausible and "in the cards," Urban has "the talk" with Tebow and his career ends here, where the staff has to make the best decision for the team.  But it would be awesome if he's got it, and can assist -- because he's really really good at the things he's best at.
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Exactly, don't get why people continue to ignore his value as a short yardage and goal line runner. He has been highly effective at that his whole life.

You mean he was effective at it his whole life except for the past 10 years.  Because the last time he attempted to do it was 2012 and he was ineffective that year.  The last time he showed any value at what you've described was in 2011. 

So people aren't ignoring it as you suggest. They are simply not expecting him to return to 2011 form.

Which was, you know, ten years ago.

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Exactly, don't get why people continue to ignore his value as a short yardage and goal line runner. He has been highly effective at that his whole life.

You mean he was effective at it his whole life except for the past 10 years.  Because the last time he attempted to do it was 2012 and he was ineffective that year.  The last time he showed any value at what you've described was in 2011. 

So people aren't ignoring it as you suggest. They are simply not expecting him to return to 2011 form.

Which was, you know, ten years ago.

Logic has no place when it comes to Tebow. It’s about heart!

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He got the try out due to his friendship. He did not get signed due to his friendship. Big difference.

Suuuuuuure.

“Hey random scout who’s gonna be fired. This is my good friend Tim Tebow. He’s going to crush this workout so be sure to let me know how it goes. I promise our friendship will have no bearing on the decision”

The coaches hosted the try out not the scouts. The coaches said how good he looked during the try out , not the scouts.

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Because I don't think he's being brought in because of his ability to learn how to block or catch a tight end seam route.  I think he's being brought in because of what he can already do, what he's already good at.  But in order for that to be worth it, he has to hold down a roster position, and be able to competently back it up if called upon to do so.  (You can't be JUST a specialist).  

As for TLaw, Etienne, Shenault, or Robinson -- that's just a matter of "why not Player X instead of Player Y."  I think Tebow is better in short yardage than all four of those names.  But then, I think Tebow would be better than most players you can name in short yardage.  On the other hand, many here think Tebow is not even "good" by NFL standards at short yardage, much less better than any other player on any roster.  

For those people, it's a bit of cognitive dissonance -- because they have to choose one of the following options, as they are the only two options:  (1) Urban Meyer, new coach of the Jags, believes a player who is not even "good" could possibly help this team score, so therefore Urban Meyer is a dumb evaluator of talent; or (2) Urban Meyer is using a Jags roster spot to deliver a favor to a friend, which would be terrible.

If you open your mind to the possibility "Urban Meyer legitimately believes Tebow can help the team on the field in certain situations," it opens up the possibility that you've got a good coach and a good player.  And if it turns out not to be the case, trust Urban to cut Tebow.  

The game is a torment when you're rooting for a team but against a player, just so you can be right.  When it's the other way around, it's a much more pleasant enjoyment.

Your trying to instill a winning culture, you bring in Winners.

Does anyone really believe that Tebow needs that pension money?

Denver started winning when they got rid of Tebow. Maybe that's the plan? 

Because the Jets certainly didn't benefit from having the winner.

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Your trying to instill a winning culture, you bring in Winners.

Does anyone really believe that Tebow needs that pension money?

Denver started winning when they got rid of Tebow. Maybe that's the plan? 

Because the Jets certainly didn't benefit from having the winner.

Denver won with Tebow too. If Manning was never available, who knows what might have happened? 
He was misused on the Jets, there is no denying that.

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I think Tebow's chances of making the team are close to zero but I suspect there is some very small chance. I'm also not particularly put out by the Jags exploring that chance. I don't think the fate of the team will live or die based on the choice around a fourth string TE. I also suspect that the drama in this thread far exceeds the drama in the clubhouse.

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I mean it was pretty much proven that he didn't have the ability back in 2013 when he couldn't make it in the NFL and had to go try baseball.. He certainly isn't going to magically find it now at 34 years old, if he couldn't find it when he was 26.

I didn't know he tried to convert to TE when he was 26?

You're right, he was actually 25, not 26 in 2012 when he was with the Jets. You must have missed Greg McElroy's recent comments on this topic. 

McElroy was his teammate on the Jets in 2012 and he said they literally tried to play him at TE and he was terrible at it. So if he wasn't any good at it at 25, why would it be any different now at 34? Especially since now hes been away from the game for 9 years.

I mean it was pretty much proven that he didn't have the ability back in 2013 when he couldn't make it in the NFL and had to go try baseball.. He certainly isn't going to magically find it now at 34 years old, if he couldn't find it when he was 26.

He was a bust at QB for sure. If he was going to have had a chance at TE or fullback or whatever he's trying to do, he would have had to have made the switch way earlier. I'm not quite as hostile about him making the attempt as some others but ultimately it's just a waste of time and the sooner they cut him, the better.

See above response. He got a chance, he was just terrible at it.

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I didn't know he tried to convert to TE when he was 26?

You're right, he was actually 25, not 26 in 2012 when he was with the Jets. You must have missed Greg McElroy's recent comments on this topic. 

McElroy was his teammate on the Jets in 2012 and he said they literally tried to play him at TE and he was terrible at it. So if he wasn't any good at it at 25, why would it be any different now at 34? Especially since now hes been away from the game for 9 years.

He was a bust at QB for sure. If he was going to have had a chance at TE or fullback or whatever he's trying to do, he would have had to have made the switch way earlier. I'm not quite as hostile about him making the attempt as some others but ultimately it's just a waste of time and the sooner they cut him, the better.

See above response. He got a chance, he was just terrible at it.

I reckon you must have some sort of long term Vegas wager on Tebow not taking another NFL snap.  I can't figure out any other reason to be so emotionally invested in his failure.

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Honestly, why would a fan of this team want anyone to fail?

What irked me is the whole time from Urban becoming coach to the start of this circus was the culture discussion and all the talk and they go and do this. It could all work out but they sure have raked in Jesey sales.

This just hasn't been proven to be a real NFL franchise in so very long. The draft seemed great from acquiring Trevor but the other selections just seem meh.

I tired of being owned by the division and seeing so little development.

Half of me wants Tim released, just so that I don't have to endure threads like this one.
Half of me wants Tim to make the team because I don't have anything better to do than read threads like this and I don't want them taken away.

Help.

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Given the fact that Tebow is immortal and will likely live forever, that $21k/year can amount to a lot of $$.  Although, I must admit, given the cost of money factor, that $21k will really not be that valuable in the year 2245 when Tebow celebrates his 258th birthday.

He does not need any more games to qualify for his NFL pension.  He has already qualified.

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@are you suggesting Teebs pursue an acting career if he misses out on the pension thing?@

HE DOES NOT NEED ANY MORE GAMES TO QUALIFY FOR HIS NFL PENSION.  HE HAS ALREADY QUALIFIED. 

[b]HE DOES NOT NEED ANY MORE GAMES TO QUALIFY FOR HIS NFL PENSION.  HE HAS ALREADY QUALIFIED. [/b]

[b][b][b]HE DOES NOT NEED ANY MORE GAMES TO QUALIFY FOR HIS NFL PENSION.  HE HAS ALREADY QUALIFIED. [/b][/b][/b]

so you're saying there's no beneift for Urbz to keep him around another season?
Yeah, I'm vested where I work, too. But every year longer I stick around, the better my post-career compensation will be.

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I cant believe this guy is trying to scam $21k a year from us hard working Jaguars fans. Thats my ticket sales money he is trying to steal. This circus has to stop, its no stop Tebomania and no one can get anything done at practice. Plus this guy knows the coach, giant red flag...I only want football players that have absolutely no knowledge at all to anyone in the football world.

keep trying, you'll get there.

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Why does everyone who refuses to acknowledge the sketchiness of this whole ordeal think of him not as a TE, the position he worked out for and was signed, and also continues to get reps at in practice, but this homunculous "goal line specialist" position, like TLaw, Etienne, Shenault, or Robinson won't be able to get a yard and a half in a critical situation?

Because I don't think he's being brought in because of his ability to learn how to block or catch a tight end seam route.  I think he's being brought in because of what he can already do, what he's already good at.  But in order for that to be worth it, he has to hold down a roster position, and be able to competently back it up if called upon to do so.  (You can't be JUST a specialist).  

As for TLaw, Etienne, Shenault, or Robinson -- that's just a matter of "why not Player X instead of Player Y."  I think Tebow is better in short yardage than all four of those names.  But then, I think Tebow would be better than most players you can name in short yardage.  On the other hand, many here think Tebow is not even "good" by NFL standards at short yardage, much less better than any other player on any roster.  

For those people, it's a bit of cognitive dissonance -- because they have to choose one of the following options, as they are the only two options:  (1) Urban Meyer, new coach of the Jags, believes a player who is not even "good" could possibly help this team score, so therefore Urban Meyer is a dumb evaluator of talent; or (2) Urban Meyer is using a Jags roster spot to deliver a favor to a friend, which would be terrible.

If you open your mind to the possibility "Urban Meyer legitimately believes Tebow can help the team on the field in certain situations," it opens up the possibility that you've got a good coach and a good player.  And if it turns out not to be the case, trust Urban to cut Tebow.  

The game is a torment when you're rooting for a team but against a player, just so you can be right.  When it's the other way around, it's a much more pleasant enjoyment.

Let's think this through. In these hypothetical short yardage situations, where is Teebs lining up? Off tackle? Under Center? Half back?

If you are signing him to be a gimmick, that is fine. You've got a poor man's Taysom Hill. Expending the effort in passing drills is wasted effort if that's not the way the player is going to be used. Not only that, it takes away reps and time for the other players at that position away.

And yes, I'm asking why not player X instead of player Y. There's a critical difference in the likes of Etienne, Robinson, Shenault, etc - they are just as capable as Teebs, but they are all in their early 20's!

Are you honestly saying that the rest of our roster is THAT incapable in short yardage play that we had no other recourse but to pursue a washed out former star in his 30s?

Once again, I will remind you. I cheer for the laundry. I don't care who is wearing it. The team brings me enjoyment. Doesn't mean I can't deem a roster move pointless or detrimental.
My biggest criticism is that every justification every 'optimist' has offered regarding the signing is so easily debunked by what we already had in place, or the justification requires ignoring reality.

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Because I don't think he's being brought in because of his ability to learn how to block or catch a tight end seam route.  I think he's being brought in because of what he can already do, what he's already good at.  But in order for that to be worth it, he has to hold down a roster position, and be able to competently back it up if called upon to do so.  (You can't be JUST a specialist).  

As for TLaw, Etienne, Shenault, or Robinson -- that's just a matter of "why not Player X instead of Player Y."  I think Tebow is better in short yardage than all four of those names.  But then, I think Tebow would be better than most players you can name in short yardage.  On the other hand, many here think Tebow is not even "good" by NFL standards at short yardage, much less better than any other player on any roster.  

For those people, it's a bit of cognitive dissonance -- because they have to choose one of the following options, as they are the only two options:  (1) Urban Meyer, new coach of the Jags, believes a player who is not even "good" could possibly help this team score, so therefore Urban Meyer is a dumb evaluator of talent; or (2) Urban Meyer is using a Jags roster spot to deliver a favor to a friend, which would be terrible.

If you open your mind to the possibility "Urban Meyer legitimately believes Tebow can help the team on the field in certain situations," it opens up the possibility that you've got a good coach and a good player.  And if it turns out not to be the case, trust Urban to cut Tebow.  

The game is a torment when you're rooting for a team but against a player, just so you can be right.  When it's the other way around, it's a much more pleasant enjoyment.

Let's think this through. In these hypothetical short yardage situations, where is Teebs lining up? Off tackle? Under Center? Half back?

If you are signing him to be a gimmick, that is fine. You've got a poor man's Taysom Hill. Expending the effort in passing drills is wasted effort if that's not the way the player is going to be used. Not only that, it takes away reps and time for the other players at that position away.

And yes, I'm asking why not player X instead of player Y. There's a critical difference in the likes of Etienne, Robinson, Shenault, etc - they are just as capable as Teebs, but they are all in their early 20's!

Are you honestly saying that the rest of our roster is THAT incapable in short yardage play that we had no other recourse but to pursue a washed out former star in his 30s?

Once again, I will remind you. I cheer for the laundry. I don't care who is wearing it. The team brings me enjoyment. Doesn't mean I can't deem a roster move pointless or detrimental.
My biggest criticism is that every justification every 'optimist' has offered regarding the signing is so easily debunked by what we already had in place, or the justification requires ignoring reality.

Not to mention, if Tebow is in these Wildcat formations, he’s just taking snaps away from Lawrence. There is not a single thing that Tebow does better than Trevor…. That’s including short yardage plays. 

Anyone who brings up Tebow in short yardage plays has no clue if he’s actually competent at it because he hasn’t done it in 10 years. So yes, give me every single Jags skill player in the wildcat over Tebow.

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So you're saying Tim isn't good at football?

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Denver started winning when they got rid of Tebow. Maybe that's the plan? 

Because the Jets certainly didn't benefit from having the winner.

Denver won with Tebow too. If Manning was never available, who knows what might have happened? 
He was misused on the Jets, there is no denying that.

So Dimson is officially on flgatorsandjags level when it comes to Tebow Worship.

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Let's think this through. In these hypothetical short yardage situations, where is Teebs lining up? Off tackle? Under Center? Half back?

If you are signing him to be a gimmick, that is fine. You've got a poor man's Taysom Hill. Expending the effort in passing drills is wasted effort if that's not the way the player is going to be used. Not only that, it takes away reps and time for the other players at that position away.

And yes, I'm asking why not player X instead of player Y. There's a critical difference in the likes of Etienne, Robinson, Shenault, etc - they are just as capable as Teebs, but they are all in their early 20's!

Are you honestly saying that the rest of our roster is THAT incapable in short yardage play that we had no other recourse but to pursue a washed out former star in his 30s?

Once again, I will remind you. I cheer for the laundry. I don't care who is wearing it. The team brings me enjoyment. Doesn't mean I can't deem a roster move pointless or detrimental.
My biggest criticism is that every justification every 'optimist' has offered regarding the signing is so easily debunked by what we already had in place, or the justification requires ignoring reality.

Not to mention, if Tebow is in these Wildcat formations, he’s just taking snaps away from Lawrence. There is not a single thing that Tebow does better than Trevor…. That’s including short yardage plays. 

Anyone who brings up Tebow in short yardage plays has no clue if he’s actually competent at it because he hasn’t done it in 10 years. So yes, give me every single Jags skill player in the wildcat over Tebow.

Please, please NEVER let them line Trevor up in shotgun so that he can plow into the middle of the line to gain a yard or two!!

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Denver won with Tebow too. If Manning was never available, who knows what might have happened? 
He was misused on the Jets, there is no denying that.

So Dimson is officially on flgatorsandjags level when it comes to Tebow Worship.

Yes, he just wasn't given a chance.  Though it sounds like the Jets were the only team that actually tried to have Tim do something other than QB.  Tim's heart apparently just wasn't into anything outside of the QB position at the time.

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