I love the absolutely unbiased term “Urban derangement syndrome”…. Yes anyone who feels like Urban is doing a bad job on the field and off the field is deranged. Super helpful to facilitating discussion. What a joke.

Did Urban commit a crime? No, almost certainly not. Is his relationship with this women morally concerning? Yes for two reasons. First, he is a married man. Second, there appears to be a customer/ client relationship between them. So it opens up harassment concerns from my standpoint.

Altogether is this incident in a vacuum a fireable offense? No, probably not. It does appear to be the cherry on top of a terrible job performance to this point. Hopefully we are rid of this inept coach soon.

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The man can get all the lap dances he wants, he's an adult and it's his own business.. The problem here is that he's leaving this team severely under-coached and mishandled.

This! Be outraged about this. People need to stop with the crazy [BLEEP].

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

He’ll be fired after the by

By an owner who gave gus and marrone all those years to "win"

Please. Urban gets some time.

Agreed. Serious discussion to fire him won’t start until next season if we’re still floundering. I don’t think that will happen, though.

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Say some bad words a decade ago in some emails, fired within an hour.

Sexually assault someone young enough to be your daughter on video, get the full support of your owner and organization.

Shad might just be the worst...and Dan Snyder still exists.

Since when is playing grab [BLEEP] with a chick who is dry humping your leg sexual assault?? The dude is an jerk for cheating on his wife (unless they have that kind of relationship) but let’s not go completely hyperbolic with it.

It's not. Ol girl was loving every minute of it. It definitely was NOT assault. 
It may be a lot of things... But it looked pretty frickin consensual to me.

The virtue signaling from all these faux feminist dudes these days is laughable.

Also Gruden resigned, they didn't fire him.

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Monica Lewinsky was an intern in the White House…Clinton was literally her boss. That’s a huge difference.

It’s interesting that no one is claiming she sexually assaulted him by grinding in his lap. If grabbing her butt is assault, then her rubbing that butt all over him should be equally classified as assault.

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There was nothing about the woman giving Urbs a lap dance in public that shows she was trying to say no to anything.

Stop with the Stockholm Syndrome, already. You're a feeble woman whose will is altered by the presence of famous and predatory men. Please drop your victim apologist impulse long enough to allow these wise men to teach you about true misogyny.  

No kidding!

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

I love the absolutely unbiased term “Urban derangement syndrome”…. Yes anyone who feels like Urban is doing a bad job on the field and off the field is deranged.  Super helpful to facilitating discussion.  What a joke.

Did Urban commit a crime?  No, almost certainly not.  Is his relationship with this women morally concerning?  Yes for two reasons.  First, he is a married man.  Second, there appears to be a customer/ client relationship between them.  So it opens up harassment concerns from my standpoint.

Altogether is this incident in a vacuum a fireable offense?  No, probably not.  It does appear to be the cherry on top of a terrible job performance to this point.  Hopefully we are rid of this inept coach soon.

You have UDS.

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I love the absolutely unbiased term “Urban derangement syndrome”…. Yes anyone who feels like Urban is doing a bad job on the field and off the field is deranged.  Super helpful to facilitating discussion.  What a joke.

Did Urban commit a crime?  No, almost certainly not.  Is his relationship with this women morally concerning?  Yes for two reasons.  First, he is a married man.  Second, there appears to be a customer/ client relationship between them.  So it opens up harassment concerns from my standpoint.

Altogether is this incident in a vacuum a fireable offense?  No, probably not.  It does appear to be the cherry on top of a terrible job performance to this point.  Hopefully we are rid of this inept coach soon.

I think that’s a complete stretch too.

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

So which part of the grievances are contrived?

You don’t think they’re being a little hyperbolic in attempting to lay blame on Meyer because she decided to grind on him? I realize you’re on their side, but you seem to be at least a little more reasonable.

Sure, it wasn't assault. It was also his fault and he is to blame for this kerfluffle. We also don't know what went on before or after the film and those who threw out the "he was trying to block her with his arm" defense as just as guilty of seeing what they want as anyone else.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

So which part of the grievances are contrived?

In the case of the incident in the bar, the moral outrage is contrived. That doesn't mean it didn't happen, it means UDS is causing it to be comically overblown. It was poor judgement on Urbs part no doubt. On the other hand, UDS has caused some people to equate the incident to sexual assault and him to a sexual predator which is utterly ridiculous.

I don't think it's contrived, the whole incident is embarrassingly unseemly. Not just the physical contact, but the entire circumstance of where and when it happened in relation to his responsibilities to this franchise and their disarray both on the field and off it. He behaved like a buffoon and then lied about it while trying to deflect the blame. Is she a gold digger? I dunno, but he shouldn't have been there for her to mine.

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I love the absolutely unbiased term “Urban derangement syndrome”…. Yes anyone who feels like Urban is doing a bad job on the field and off the field is deranged.  Super helpful to facilitating discussion.  What a joke.

Did Urban commit a crime?  No, almost certainly not.  Is his relationship with this women morally concerning?  Yes for two reasons.  First, he is a married man.  Second, there appears to be a customer/ client relationship between them.  So it opens up harassment concerns from my standpoint.

Altogether is this incident in a vacuum a fireable offense?  No, probably not.  It does appear to be the cherry on top of a terrible job performance to this point.  Hopefully we are rid of this inept coach soon.

I think that’s a complete stretch too.

Her company works for his company, so it's not that far of a stretch. Of course if she's in sales she might've just been on the job.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Since when is playing grab [BLEEP] with a chick who is dry humping your leg sexual assault?? The dude is an jerk for cheating on his wife (unless they have that kind of relationship) but let’s not go completely hyperbolic with it.

It's not. Ol girl was loving every minute of it. It definitely was NOT assault. 
It may be a lot of things... But it looked pretty frickin consensual to me.

The virtue signaling from all these faux feminist dudes these days is laughable.

Also Gruden resigned, they didn't fire him.

LOL

You're so naive.

The girl was using him not for sex - I mean look at the man - he's never caused a female orgasm in his life - but the fame of grinding on Urban Meyer... but then he took it too far and started fingering her through her jeans. Brah - you're married - and the coach of a crappy team that you decided not to fly home with - instead you want to be knuckle deep in a very unattractive woman that people mistook for being in her late 30s while really being a 24 year old.

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It's not. Ol girl was loving every minute of it. It definitely was NOT assault. 
It may be a lot of things... But it looked pretty frickin consensual to me.

The virtue signaling from all these faux feminist dudes these days is laughable.

Also Gruden resigned, they didn't fire him.

LOL

You're so naive.

The girl was using him not for sex - I mean look at the man - he's never caused a female orgasm in his life - but the fame of grinding on Urban Meyer... but then he took it too far and started fingering her through her jeans. Brah - you're married - and the coach of a crappy team that you decided not to fly home with - instead you want to be knuckle deep in a very unattractive woman that people mistook for being in her late 30s while really being a 24 year old.

You are so incredibly wrong with this take. She is not unattractive at all.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

LOL

You're so naive.

The girl was using him not for sex - I mean look at the man - he's never caused a female orgasm in his life - but the fame of grinding on Urban Meyer... but then he took it too far and started fingering her through her jeans. Brah - you're married - and the coach of a crappy team that you decided not to fly home with - instead you want to be knuckle deep in a very unattractive woman that people mistook for being in her late 30s while really being a 24 year old.

You are so incredibly wrong with this take. She is not unattractive at all.

Not for someone in her 30s... but for 24? Yikes... too many bars that allow smoking.

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You are so incredibly wrong with this take. She is not unattractive at all.

Not for someone in her 30s... but for 24? Yikes... too many bars that allow smoking.

And I bet she has sharp knees too. 

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

The man can get all the lap dances he wants, he's an adult and it's his own business.. The problem here is that he's leaving this team severely under-coached and mishandled.

This I can understand and debate. Everyone else keeps conflating pearl clutching with football. 

It’s really weird.

I don't know that I've seen too many people saying that this incident is cause for him to be fired. I've said that I find it creepy and inappropriate - but that's my personal belief.  Do I think the bar incident by itself should cause him to be fired or to resign in shame - no I don't, that's an issue between him and his wife and their family.  Do I think on top of everything else he's F'd up since he's been here that it shows terrible judgement - yes I do.  I've seen ex players and coaches state that it's "unheard of" for a coach to not fly home with the team, and that it was even worse after a bad loss and being winless.  Since I've never played in the NFL, and I'd venture to say no one here has, I'll defer to those ex players and coaches and their thoughts on that part of it. That being said, it's the football decisions (or lack of decisions) that make me think the Jags should move on from Urban.  Those gaffs have been documented in this thread and elsewhere, and it seems to me that Urban came into this thinking it would be different/easier than it's turned out to be and it's turning out to be much more work than he thought it would be.  He thought he wouldn't be second guessed as much, whether it was hiring Doyle, bringing Tebow in or just the personnel decisions and in-game decisions.  I don't see it getting any better, I don't see good judgement from him, and I don't want to waste more time waiting for him to decide that maybe he does have a lot to learn.....

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I'm shocked none of the media outlets have secured an exclusive interview with the girl. Or, could she be getting paid more for her silence to not do a paid media interview.

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When do they leave for London? Urbs will look for some Eurohoe to get caught on camera with

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I'm shocked none of the media outlets have secured an exclusive interview with the girl. Or, could she be getting paid more for her silence to not do a paid media interview.

Or the image of her being the instigator doesn’t fit the current socio/political narrative.

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I'm shocked none of the media outlets have secured an exclusive interview with the girl. Or, could she be getting paid more for her silence to not do a paid media interview.

Why would they? The only people interested are the trolls on this board and maybe people with an axe to grind.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

The man can get all the lap dances he wants, he's an adult and it's his own business.. The problem here is that he's leaving this team severely under-coached and mishandled.

This! Be outraged about this. People need to stop with the crazy [BLEEP].

Trust me, people are outraged by the inept job he has done as a head coach of this team. He may be the most clueless NFL coach I have ever seen.

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By an owner who gave gus and marrone all those years to "win"

Please. Urban gets some time.

Agreed. Serious discussion to fire him won’t start until next season if we’re still floundering. I don’t think that will happen, though.

By then, he will have set us back another 3 years. That's a great plan.

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I love the absolutely unbiased term “Urban derangement syndrome”…. Yes anyone who feels like Urban is doing a bad job on the field and off the field is deranged.  Super helpful to facilitating discussion.  What a joke.

Did Urban commit a crime?  No, almost certainly not.  Is his relationship with this women morally concerning?  Yes for two reasons.  First, he is a married man.  Second, there appears to be a customer/ client relationship between them.  So it opens up harassment concerns from my standpoint.

Altogether is this incident in a vacuum a fireable offense?  No, probably not.  It does appear to be the cherry on top of a terrible job performance to this point.  Hopefully we are rid of this inept coach soon.

I think that’s a complete stretch too.

It may be a stretch. Concerns is not an accusation, but I am curious if there are more layers here.

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