pretty sure he gave us a draft pick for Gabbert! right there makes him nulinvoid

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The only thing Baalke deserves is a quick handshake as we show him the door, on his way to being dismissed.

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Time will tell. Comparing to the old regime, this is fresh air but way too early. A very much needed first win. Most coaches get 4 years. Super excited and hopeful

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When your HC coach is the de facto decision maker on all personnel moves, you can't really know who to credit or discredit for what, but I'm not impressed.

Agnew was a good add. Griffin was a good add, but he also got paid very handsomely and he has no counterpart at CB.  I like Jenkins pretty well too but they are mishandling his counterpart at safety as well.

They [BLEEP] up and took a RB at 25 with a stud already on the roster.  They took 3 weeks to figure out they needed to use said stud to help the rookie QB and they still don't run him enough after 6 weeks.

They completely took a hot dump all over their handling of the TE position from day one until trading for a guy they could have just signed cheaply earlier.  Even now they'll need to spend a pick on another TE.

They've jockeyed around at LB and still don't have any guys they remotely can trust in coverage. They'd rather sell out to the run, play the safeties off and give up everything underneath all day long.

When you have the FA money they had, and the picks they had, to still be in very dire need at RT, TE, WR, ILB, EDGE, FS, CB ...  I don't know, man.
"Credit" is not what's on my mind for Baalke and Meyer.  I'm more in disdain mode. I think they could be further along in rebuilding than they are.

what this guy said. the only credit Baalke deserves is a prepaid Visa card.

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Time will tell. Comparing to the old regime, this is fresh air but way too early. A very much needed first win. Most coaches get 4 years. Super excited and hopeful

It's 2021

Most coaches don't get 4 years anymore. Especially when they suck.

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Enough with the "ETN was a crap pick"  He got hurt so we do not know what he can contribute.

regardless of whether he got hurt he was a wasted pick. We had an RB on the roster that just set UDFA rookie records, brought in the coach's ol' pal who previously quit on the team, and have 2-3 guys who could serve the same role as the guy we spent a pick on. We spent $21M on a twitchy, gadget-style returner who could mimic Etienne's role as well.  It was a bad pick, even if the kid was still healthy and sitting on the bench like every other rookie not named Trevor.

Unless he makes JRob, Viska and/or Agnew expendable, it was a bad pick.

Period.

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Dispute the rumors, I think that Trevor and most of the players like playing for Urbs. If we beat Sea. His arrow will be pointing up. He has to beat Seattle coming off the buy though

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Enough with the "ETN was a crap pick"  He got hurt so we do not know what he can contribute.

Yea I dont get the hatred of the Etienne pick.  With the versatility of elite players to flex between RB and WR, position designations are almost irrelevant in the NFL these days.  It's all about playmakers.  You don't draft Etienne because you want him to get 25 carries out of the back field like a traditional RB.  You draft him to get him 15-20 touches a game in a variety of roles expecting him to be a game breaker.  Everyone says RBs are a dime a dozen.  Well 5'10 WRs are a dime a dozen as well but Tyreek Hill isn't.  The dude is a playmaker.  Makes big plays that changes the course of games.  Who cares what his position is called.  That is essentially what they are drafting Etienne to be.  A playmaker who changes the outcome of games with one or two big plays a game.  The Etienne pick shouldnt be critiqued because of the position title next to his name.  It should be critiqued on whether they scouted him well and if he can be the playmaker they expect him to be.  And even for those who are stuck in in the traditional mindset of each team having one bell cow RB getting 30 touches a game, was it a problem when we had Fred Taylor and MJD on the same team?  Of course not.  Just imagine if we had those two and Trevor Lawrence.  Good Lord that would have been a great offense.

Getting back to Baalke, it's too early to make an assessment.  I'm not a fan of what he did in SF and so far not a huge fan of what we've done here.  I don't love the draft strategy of taking injured guys.  In the offseason however it sounded as though that would really pay off.  But we havent seen much of Little or Cisco now that the real games have begun.  I'd like to see them get Cisco some reps.  The defense needs someone who can make big plays and he was known as being a ballhawk.  Ironically he'd likely replace the one guy in Winguard that actually generated a turnover (Lawson's was a gift), but we need someone who can consistently do it.  Didn't love the Campbell pick at the time and haven't seen anything to change my mind yet.  As far as guys who were on the team, dropping Quincy Williams looks like a mistake but maybe he'd be a bad fit in this scheme.  Some of those trades seem to have backfired.  Maybe Jones and Schobert aren't doing much for their teams but I think we could use them.  At this point I'd rather have Schobert than Wilson.  We're getting killed by Wilson's inability to cover and Schobert would fit in well there.  CB looked like a major strength during training camp and now we are picking up guys off the street to start for us.  

I will give them credit that the offensive line isn't as bad as I thought it'd be.  Injuries could change that.  But so far they haven't been that bad.  I still would like to see them address it next offseason.  Think they'll have to with the number of guys nearing the end of their contract.

when you have a vacuum at linebacker and Jawann Taylor protecting the future of your franchise, a gadget player is a luxury pick that we had no business purchasing. We already had plenty of guys on the squad who could serve those roles, and as soon as he was hurt, found another on the street in Tavon Austin.

I think you'll be lucky to see 10 touches a game from him once he's healthy.

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Yea I dont get the hatred of the Etienne pick.  With the versatility of elite players to flex between RB and WR, position designations are almost irrelevant in the NFL these days.  It's all about playmakers.  You don't draft Etienne because you want him to get 25 carries out of the back field like a traditional RB.  You draft him to get him 15-20 touches a game in a variety of roles expecting him to be a game breaker.  Everyone says RBs are a dime a dozen.  Well 5'10 WRs are a dime a dozen as well but Tyreek Hill isn't.  The dude is a playmaker.  Makes big plays that changes the course of games.  Who cares what his position is called.  That is essentially what they are drafting Etienne to be.  A playmaker who changes the outcome of games with one or two big plays a game.  The Etienne pick shouldnt be critiqued because of the position title next to his name.  It should be critiqued on whether they scouted him well and if he can be the playmaker they expect him to be.  And even for those who are stuck in in the traditional mindset of each team having one bell cow RB getting 30 touches a game, was it a problem when we had Fred Taylor and MJD on the same team?  Of course not.  Just imagine if we had those two and Trevor Lawrence.  Good Lord that would have been a great offense.

Getting back to Baalke, it's too early to make an assessment.  I'm not a fan of what he did in SF and so far not a huge fan of what we've done here.  I don't love the draft strategy of taking injured guys.  In the offseason however it sounded as though that would really pay off.  But we havent seen much of Little or Cisco now that the real games have begun.  I'd like to see them get Cisco some reps.  The defense needs someone who can make big plays and he was known as being a ballhawk.  Ironically he'd likely replace the one guy in Winguard that actually generated a turnover (Lawson's was a gift), but we need someone who can consistently do it.  Didn't love the Campbell pick at the time and haven't seen anything to change my mind yet.  As far as guys who were on the team, dropping Quincy Williams looks like a mistake but maybe he'd be a bad fit in this scheme.  Some of those trades seem to have backfired.  Maybe Jones and Schobert aren't doing much for their teams but I think we could use them.  At this point I'd rather have Schobert than Wilson.  We're getting killed by Wilson's inability to cover and Schobert would fit in well there.  CB looked like a major strength during training camp and now we are picking up guys off the street to start for us.  

I will give them credit that the offensive line isn't as bad as I thought it'd be.  Injuries could change that.  But so far they haven't been that bad.  I still would like to see them address it next offseason.  Think they'll have to with the number of guys nearing the end of their contract.

when you have a vacuum at linebacker and Jawann Taylor protecting the future of your franchise, a gadget player is a luxury pick that we had no business purchasing. We already had plenty of guys on the squad who could serve those roles, and as soon as he was hurt, found another on the street in Tavon Austin.

I think you'll be lucky to see 10 touches a game from him once he's healthy.

Etienne is no gadget player, he is an elite RB that you can spread out as well.  The only thing is our best player is a RB.  2 top backs has been working pretty good for the Browns though and we have to run our offense like the Browns plus try to get JRob and Etienne on the field at the same time.  If Etienne is 100% next year we will have the best RB duo in the league imo with the Browns a close 2nd and will be huge for Trev

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I'm pretty sure he took a Superbowl roster and turned it into garbage with his love of College athletes with ACL injuries.

He's actually pretty darn terrible even in this short time. His trades suck.

This. He's bad for the team and bad for the organization. I hope he's replaced after this year, dude destroyed that SF team that was a regular contender for years and he took them to the gutter. Not a huge fan of this draft either, no one making an impact except for the no brain-er at 1st overall.

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I'm pretty sure he took a Superbowl roster and turned it into garbage with his love of College athletes with ACL injuries.

He's actually pretty darn terrible even in this short time. His trades suck.

This. He's bad for the team and bad for the organization. I hope he's replaced after this year, dude destroyed that SF team that was a regular contender for years and he took them to the gutter. Not a huge fan of this draft either, no one making an impact except for the no brain-er at 1st overall.

This draft is stacked on defense which is where I think we need to go in the draft.  We should go offense in Free Agency

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So far, I like Baalke's draft class. Of 9 picks, I only see 1, 6th round's Jalen Camp, as a total bust for the Jags thus far. In a year from now, I think 5 picks will be starters (Lawrence, Etienne, Campbell, Little, and Cisco), and 2 strong rotational contributors (Tufele and Farrell). Jordan Smith is still raw, but they (and we) all knew that he would take time to develop.

Trevor Lawrence ...starter now and growing each game.
Travis Etienne ...should be a rotational starter when healed.
Tyson Campbell ...starter now.
Walker Little ...developing but will be a starter by 2022.
Andre Cisco ...developing but likely a starter by 2022.
Jay Tufele ...developed into rotation just before hand injury.
Jordan Smith ...still a developing project.
Luke Farrell ...contributor now
Jalen Camp ...did not make 53, now on Texan's PS

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Relax it is one win. The coaches made one call that shows positive coaching and now we are praising the front office? Easy fellas.

We are blessed at QB and he might be the one that elevates others play. We don't see that much around these parts but easy with the credit.

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Fans deserve better. Thanks for all the good times too many are in the past.

Eh, to me Baalke/ Urban are inseparable. It is impossible to know which team decisions are driven by which person. For what its worth Bevell is probably the person most responsible for bringing Jones and Agnew from Detroit. At this point those are probably our two best offensive acquisitions...

I still want Urban to GTFO, so as a result Baalke needs to go too.

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This. He's bad for the team and bad for the organization. I hope he's replaced after this year, dude destroyed that SF team that was a regular contender for years and he took them to the gutter. Not a huge fan of this draft either, no one making an impact except for the no brain-er at 1st overall.

This draft is stacked on defense which is where I think we need to go in the draft.  We should go offense in Free Agency

I certainly don't see any premier free agents wanting to come here, offense or defense.

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This draft is stacked on defense which is where I think we need to go in the draft.  We should go offense in Free Agency

I certainly don't see any premier free agents wanting to come here, offense or defense.

Yes, what offensive player would want to work with Lawrence? 
Noboby, right?

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I certainly don't see any premier free agents wanting to come here, offense or defense.

Yes, what offensive player would want to work with Lawrence? 
Noboby, right?

Not with the current front office and coaching staff which seem to make weekly blunders.

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I certainly don't see any premier free agents wanting to come here, offense or defense.

Yes, what offensive player would want to work with Lawrence? 
Noboby, right?

And Robinson, a top 100 player voted by the players

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Yes, what offensive player would want to work with Lawrence? 
Noboby, right?

Not with the current front office and coaching staff which seem to make weekly blunders.

Let's see where this thing is headed in December before assuming Urbz/Baalke will be a prohibitive measure. 

Right now, they are a stumbling block, but they are only half of the big picture and they could steer from crapfest to "not horrible" by season's end. 

Personally, I want them gone but i bet they get next year to prove themselves or fail.

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Not with the current front office and coaching staff which seem to make weekly blunders.

Let's see where this thing is headed in December before assuming Urbz/Baalke will be a prohibitive measure. 

Right now, they are a stumbling block, but they are only half of the big picture and they could steer from crapfest to "not horrible" by season's end. 

Personally, I want them gone but i bet they get next year to prove themselves or fail.

I agree 100%. Khan is not gonna fire Urban/Baalke this season or probably next season, no matter how bad we finish. We could end the season 1-16 and they are still gonna be retained. That's just Khan's modus operandi and he's not not gonna admit he was wrong, just after declaring "he finally got it right", when he hired these two. If anything, he's gonna keep them around too long and set the team back another year or two. That's just what he does.

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