If I've learned one thing over the years posting on this board, it's that fans typically hate trading up.

That said, is there a player you would want to trade up from 33 to get if he could be had reasonably (i.e. without giving up any future 1st or 2nds?

Hypothetical:  Tyler Linderbaum is still on the board at 18.  The Steelers are notorious for valuing the C position.  The Jaguars need to bolster the trenches.

Per the traditional trade vlalue chart  https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp, the #18 pick is worth 900 points.

To get to that point, the Jaguars send the #33 (580 points), #65 (265) and #97 (112) or, aside from the 4th, you send a 5th round $142 (35 points) and a 7th round pick #169 (22) points.

If you did the trade, you'd still end up with the equivalent of the standard allotment of draft picks.

You already have the #1 overall
The #18 takes the place of our 2nd round pick.'Though we throw in a 3rd rounder, we'd still have a high 3rd rounder remaining.
Under the first package, we'd have no 4th round pick, but we'd still have the extra 6s and 7th round picks.  With the latter package, we keep the 4th round pick but give up a 5th and 6th, again, with the extra picks to absorb the trade.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

If I've learned one thing over the years posting on this board, it's that fans typically hate trading up.

That said, is there a player you would want to trade up from 33 to get if he could be had reasonably (i.e. without giving up any future 1st or 2nds?

Hypothetical:  Tyler Linderbaum is still on the board at 18.  The Steelers are notorious for valuing the C position.  The Jaguars need to bolster the trenches.

Per the traditional trade vlalue chart  https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp, the #18 pick is worth 900 points.

To get to that point, the Jaguars send the #33 (580 points), #65 (265) and #97 (112) or, aside from the 4th, you send a 5th round $142 (35 points) and a 7th round pick #169 (22) points.

If you did the trade, you'd still end up with the equivalent of the standard allotment of draft picks.

You already have the #1 overall
The #18 takes the place of our 2nd round pick.'Though we throw in a 3rd rounder, we'd still have a high 3rd rounder remaining.
Under the first package, we'd have no 4th round pick, but we'd still have the extra 6s and 7th round picks.  With the latter package, we keep the 4th round pick but give up a 5th and 6th, again, with the extra picks to absorb the trade.

Other than the two edge rushers which we should have our choice of, the only other player in this draft that I am absolutely enthralled and would trade up for is Ahmad "Sauce" Gardner. CB may not be our biggest need, but I really feel that this kid is gonna be special. He's been my #1 CB prospect since before the season ended and I truly believe he will be every bit as good, if not better than Jalen Ramsey. If he starts to fall in round 1, I would be very tempted to trade up and select him. I believe in taking the BAP, regardless of position and he would make our defense much stronger in the long run.

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If I've learned one thing over the years posting on this board, it's that fans typically hate trading up.

That said, is there a player you would want to trade up from 33 to get if he could be had reasonably (i.e. without giving up any future 1st or 2nds?

Hypothetical:  Tyler Linderbaum is still on the board at 18.  The Steelers are notorious for valuing the C position.  The Jaguars need to bolster the trenches.

Per the traditional trade vlalue chart  https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp, the #18 pick is worth 900 points.

To get to that point, the Jaguars send the #33 (580 points), #65 (265) and #97 (112) or, aside from the 4th, you send a 5th round $142 (35 points) and a 7th round pick #169 (22) points.

If you did the trade, you'd still end up with the equivalent of the standard allotment of draft picks.

You already have the #1 overall
The #18 takes the place of our 2nd round pick.'Though we throw in a 3rd rounder, we'd still have a high 3rd rounder remaining.
Under the first package, we'd have no 4th round pick, but we'd still have the extra 6s and 7th round picks.  With the latter package, we keep the 4th round pick but give up a 5th and 6th, again, with the extra picks to absorb the trade.

Other than the two edge rushers which we should have our choice of, the only other player in this draft that I am absolutely enthralled and would trade up for is Ahmad "Sauce" Gardner. CB may not be our biggest need, but I really feel that this kid is gonna be special. He's been my #1 CB prospect since before the season ended and I truly believe he will be every bit as good, if not better than Jalen Ramsey. If he starts to fall in round 1, I would be very tempted to trade up and select him. I believe in taking the BAP, regardless of position and he would make our defense much stronger in the long run.

That would make for a strong trio of corners-especially if you can get Campbell to play man more effectively.

How far up would you be willing to move up to get Gardner?

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

Absolutely not for Linderbaum, but if Jameson Williams (or similar) started falling to the 20s...I'd absolutely be trying to trade up for him.

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If Trevor Penning is still on the board after pick 20, I'd strongly consider moving up for him. It would be worth parting with picks 33, 70 and 142 (5th rounder). Penning would immediately start at right tackle.

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Absolutely not for Linderbaum, but if Jameson Williams (or similar) started falling to the 20s...I'd absolutely be trying to trade up for him.

My only problem with that approach is that Williams might not be ready to play until October or so, and may not be quite who he was pre injury, which would exacerbate the effect of trading away those picks to move up to get him.  Of course, if he didn't have the ACL injury, he wouldn't last until the 20s anyway.

But given how the DT from Tennessee recovered so well from his, the idea of trading up for Jameson Williams excites me.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

Absolutely not for Linderbaum, but if Jameson Williams (or similar) started falling to the 20s...I'd absolutely be trying to trade up for him.

My only problem with that approach is that Williams might not be ready to play until October or so, and may not be quite who he was pre injury, which would exacerbate the effect of trading away those picks to move up to get him.  Of course, if he didn't have the ACL injury, he wouldn't last until the 20s anyway.

But given how the DT from Tennessee recovered so well from his, the idea of trading up for Jameson Williams excites me.

There is certainly some risk, though not a ton I don't think people have been coming back from ACL tears successfully at an extremely high rate for years.

Before his ACL tear and before we moved up to #1 in the draft I was advocating to take Jameson with our pick in the 3-5 range. I would have taken him ahead of Neal or Hamilton or whoever else (Thibs/Hutch were off the board in that scenario). I think he was that good and we need a top shelf playmaker that bad.

The possibility of getting him with our second pick would be too good to pass up, even if there is a little more risk now.

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Other than the two edge rushers which we should have our choice of, the only other player in this draft that I am absolutely enthralled and would trade up for is Ahmad "Sauce" Gardner. CB may not be our biggest need, but I really feel that this kid is gonna be special. He's been my #1 CB prospect since before the season ended and I truly believe he will be every bit as good, if not better than Jalen Ramsey. If he starts to fall in round 1, I would be very tempted to trade up and select him. I believe in taking the BAP, regardless of position and he would make our defense much stronger in the long run.

That would make for a strong trio of corners-especially if you can get Campbell to play man more effectively.

How far up would you be willing to move up to get Gardner?

Probably up to pick #20.

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Absolutely not for Linderbaum, but if Jameson Williams (or similar) started falling to the 20s...I'd absolutely be trying to trade up for him.

Even knowing he's probably not gonna make an impact in 2022, due to injury? I absolutely love the guy and probably would've traded up for him before he got hurt, but we need WR's who can help Lawrence immediately. With that said, Jameson Williams was a top 5 pick, imo before the injury. If Williams falls to #33, I'm on him like a fly on crap. I run to the podium to draft him.

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If Trevor Penning is still on the board after pick 20, I'd strongly consider moving up for him. It would be worth parting with picks 33, 70 and 142 (5th rounder). Penning would immediately start at right tackle.

This would be an especially good move if we went Edge at #1, though I couldn't see him getting past Pittsburgh at 20.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

Even knowing he's probably not gonna make an impact in 2022, due to injury? I absolutely love the guy and probably would've traded up for him before he got hurt, but we need WR's who can help Lawrence immediately. With that said, Jameson Williams was a top 5 pick, imo before the injury. If Williams falls to #33, I'm on him like a fly on crap. I run to the podium to draft him.

That doesn't worry me. I'd like for everyone we draft to have an instant impact, but we're still a long ways off realistically I can give up a couple of months to get Jameson. I think he could be back by October and probably mid season at worst.

The more terrifying thought is letting Josh Allen or Mahomes get Jameson.

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Even knowing he's probably not gonna make an impact in 2022, due to injury? I absolutely love the guy and probably would've traded up for him before he got hurt, but we need WR's who can help Lawrence immediately. With that said, Jameson Williams was a top 5 pick, imo before the injury. If Williams falls to #33, I'm on him like a fly on crap. I run to the podium to draft him.

That doesn't worry me. I'd like for everyone we draft to have an instant impact, but we're still a long ways off realistically I can give up a couple of months to get Jameson. I think he could be back by October and probably mid season at worst.

The more terrifying thought is letting Josh Allen or Mahomes get Jameson.

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Agreed completely.

I was just saying I was fearful that Buffalo would end up with Jahon Dotson.  Having Buffalo or KC end up with a healthy Jameson Williams is terrifying as well.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

I think that the best chance in trading up from #33 to help this team would be to get Jameison Williams. That s IF we don't get a true #1 in FA and I don't mean Chark. giving up 33, 70 and 142 is 5 points higher than Pitt at #20. Or instead of 142 give up 168 and 169. That still is more than Pitt at 20. That way we still have 65 and 142. I believe that the ACL recovery is far shorter than it once was. I truly believe Williams could be a force before October.

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Even knowing he's probably not gonna make an impact in 2022, due to injury? I absolutely love the guy and probably would've traded up for him before he got hurt, but we need WR's who can help Lawrence immediately. With that said, Jameson Williams was a top 5 pick, imo before the injury. If Williams falls to #33, I'm on him like a fly on crap. I run to the podium to draft him.

That doesn't worry me. I'd like for everyone we draft to have an instant impact, but we're still a long ways off realistically I can give up a couple of months to get Jameson. I think he could be back by October and probably mid season at worst.

The more terrifying thought is letting Josh Allen or Mahomes get Jameson.

LOL. I actually have Jameson Williams going to the Bills at #25. Imagine him and Stefon Diggs together. That would almost be unfair.

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I think that the best chance in trading up from #33 to help this team would be to get Jameison Williams. That s IF we don't get a true #1 in FA and I don't mean Chark.  giving up 33, 70 and 142 is  5 points higher than Pitt at #20. Or instead of 142 give up 168 and 169. That still is more than Pitt at 20. That way we still have 65 and 142. I believe that the ACL recovery is far shorter than it once was. I truly believe Williams could be a force before October.

Personally, I also wouldn't mind getting Olave or Dotson either. Any of those 3 would work. My biggest issue would be at #33, if it came down to TE Tre McBride or WR David Bell. I like both guys a lot and I go back and forth on who I would take, but I think I'm leaning slightly to McBride. He is almost like having another WR our there and the WR position is so deep in this draft, I believe we can find good options in round 3-5. TE is deep, but not as deep as WR.

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I think that the best chance in trading up from #33 to help this team would be to get Jameison Williams. That s IF we don't get a true #1 in FA and I don't mean Chark.  giving up 33, 70 and 142 is  5 points higher than Pitt at #20. Or instead of 142 give up 168 and 169. That still is more than Pitt at 20. That way we still have 65 and 142. I believe that the ACL recovery is far shorter than it once was. I truly believe Williams could be a force before October.

I would not want to trade away both 3rd round picks.

We have at least three needs along the OL and at TE.

The 3rd round is a great place to find interior OL and TE.


Taking away both 3rd round picks would not be good.

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I think that the best chance in trading up from #33 to help this team would be to get Jameison Williams. That s IF we don't get a true #1 in FA and I don't mean Chark.  giving up 33, 70 and 142 is  5 points higher than Pitt at #20. Or instead of 142 give up 168 and 169. That still is more than Pitt at 20. That way we still have 65 and 142. I believe that the ACL recovery is far shorter than it once was. I truly believe Williams could be a force before October.

Personally, I also wouldn't mind getting Olave or Dotson either. Any of those 3 would work. My biggest issue would be at #33, if it came down to TE Tre McBride or WR David Bell. I like both guys a lot and I go back and forth on who I would take, but I think I'm leaning slightly to McBride. He is almost like having another WR our there and the WR position is so deep in this draft, I believe we can find good options in round 3-5. TE is deep, but not as deep as WR.

Let's complicate things a little.

Assume we sign Ertz as a free agent and somehow acquire Amari Cooper, such that WR and TEs are not as dire needs as they are today.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

In our current situation there is not 1 player I see worth trading any pick in the top 150. never trade up...trade down acquire more picks if there is fair value.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ucimIXIG40

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I think that the best chance in trading up from #33 to help this team would be to get Jameison Williams. That s IF we don't get a true #1 in FA and I don't mean Chark.  giving up 33, 70 and 142 is  5 points higher than Pitt at #20. Or instead of 142 give up 168 and 169. That still is more than Pitt at 20. That way we still have 65 and 142. I believe that the ACL recovery is far shorter than it once was. I truly believe Williams could be a force before October.

I would not want to trade away both 3rd round picks.

We have at least three needs along the OL and at TE.

The 3rd round is a great place to find interior OL and TE.


Taking away both 3rd round picks would not be good.

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Personally, I also wouldn't mind getting Olave or Dotson either. Any of those 3 would work. My biggest issue would be at #33, if it came down to TE Tre McBride or WR David Bell. I like both guys a lot and I go back and forth on who I would take, but I think I'm leaning slightly to McBride. He is almost like having another WR our there and the WR position is so deep in this draft, I believe we can find good options in round 3-5. TE is deep, but not as deep as WR.

Let's complicate things a little.

Assume we sign Ertz as a free agent and somehow acquire Amari Cooper, such that WR and TEs are not as dire needs as they are today.

Personally, I think signing Ertz would be a waste. He is on the downside of his career. I'd rather have a rookie from this class. The only FA TE that would make me not want to draft a TE would be Mike Gesicki.

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www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ucimIXIG40

The best cover corner I've seen in a few years.

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I would not want to trade away both 3rd round picks.

We have at least three needs along the OL and at TE.

The 3rd round is a great place to find interior OL and TE.


Taking away both 3rd round picks would not be good.

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Let's complicate things a little.

Assume we sign Ertz as a free agent and somehow acquire Amari Cooper, such that WR and TEs are not as dire needs as they are today.

Personally, I think signing Ertz would be a waste. He is on the downside of his career. I'd rather have a rookie from this class. The only FA TE that would make me not want to draft a TE would be Mike Gesicki.

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www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ucimIXIG40

The best cover corner I've seen in a few years.

He's a year younger than Kelce, he was coming off on injury and you could tell  he was finally healthy at season end.  Had almost  800 yards and 5 TDs.  Regardless if he not what he was 5 years ago he's still one of the best TEs in the league when healthy and he's finally healthy.  He's the vet this team needs and could also draft McBride

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Personally, I think signing Ertz would be a waste. He is on the downside of his career. I'd rather have a rookie from this class. The only FA TE that would make me not want to draft a TE would be Mike Gesicki.

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The best cover corner I've seen in a few years.

He's a year younger than Kelce, he was coming off on injury and you could tell  he was finally healthy at season end.  Had almost  800 yards and 5 TDs.  Regardless if he not what he was 5 years ago he's still one of the best TEs in the league when healthy and he's finally healthy.  He's the vet this team needs and could also draft McBride

In the past 7 years, Ertz has only played a full season one time and that was in 2018. In the past 2 seasons, he's missed 11 games and his stats have fallen off sharply. I'm not paying big money for a vet who can't stay healthy. This draft class has enough talent that I'm rolling the dice on a rookie.

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