Who is the best player in this draft? That's who this team, devoid of talent, should draft.
I'm guessing it isn't Neal. Some draftniks have a different OT as their top tackle.

Hutch opposite Allen sounds good to me. Do we need to address the OL? Sure, but let's not pretend Cam is the worst option ever or that we can't slide in Little, get a new RT, or play in FA. #1 overall pick shouldn't be used on need. It should be used to take the best player period.

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The eye test says that Cam Robinson isn't very good.  He's not even listed amongst the top 50 free agents available.   Walker Little was drafted to replace Cam Robinson and you don't draft a right tackle with the number 1 pick.  Either trade back or take BAP.

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Thoughts on this...

Franchise Robinson and move him to RT
Sign Armstead at LT
Move down to about 5 and draft Ikem Ekwonu at LG

Oline would be ;
Armstead Ekwonu Linder Barch Robinson

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I'd keepem. I'm not saying to give him a mega deal or anything.. but i'd keep him if it makes sense.

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Thoughts on this...

Franchise Robinson and move him to RT
Sign Armstead at LT
Move down to about 5 and draft Ikem Ekwonu at LG

Oline would be ;
Armstead Ekwonu Linder Barch Robinson

And how do you move down to 5?

What are you doing with Little?

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Thoughts on this...

Franchise Robinson and move him to RT
Sign Armstead at LT
Move down to about 5 and draft Ikem Ekwonu at LG

Oline would be ;
Armstead Ekwonu Linder Barch Robinson

And how do you move down to 5?

What are you doing with Little?

And what do you do with all the caterwauling that happens when you *gasp* draft a GUARD in the Top 5? Don't you know their research would never tell you that such a thing is ok?

I guess it's...

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Seems to me the easiest thing is to grab competition for right tackle, stick little at left tackle, and then bolster the right guard position. We need to have some quality depth on the line as well. It’s rare for a line to go unscathed for the whole season. I think Little is the real deal, so take that into account regarding the above.

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Thoughts on this...

Franchise Robinson and move him to RT
Sign Armstead at LT
Move down to about 5 and draft Ikem Ekwonu at LG

Oline would be ;
Armstead Ekwonu Linder Barch Robinson

And how do you move down to 5?

What are you doing with Little?

Also, Armstead ain't signing here.

I do agree with tag and move Cam to RT.

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And how do you move down to 5?

What are you doing with Little?

Also, Armstead ain't signing here.

I do agree with tag and move Cam to RT.

He'd be an immediate upgrade over Taylor, by a mile.

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Who is the best player in this draft? That's who this team, devoid of talent, should draft.
I'm guessing it isn't Neal. Some draftniks have a different OT as their top tackle.

Hutch opposite Allen sounds good to me. Do we need to address the OL? Sure, but let's not pretend Cam is the worst option ever or that we can't slide in Little, get a new RT, or play in FA. #1 overall pick shouldn't be used on need. It should be used to take the best player period.

I agree.  Unfortunately with this draft, there does not appear to be a differentiated elite talent(s) ranked above others that are usually apparent in drafts of the past.  As such, you see various top prospect lists with disagreement from various respected analysts and draftniks.  

Case in point... In ESPN+ prospect rankings for this draft, there are 8 prospects with either a 93 or 94 grade (none higher than 94).  The 3 (alphabetically) with an identical 94 grade are Hamilton, Hutchinson, and Neal.  The 5 with a 93 grade are Ekwonu, Dean, Gardner, Thibodeaux, and Stingley.  Just for reference, Trevor Lawrence had a 97 grade in 2021 and Chase Young had a 95 in 2020, both with leading grades from the pack of prospects within their respective draft year.  It makes simply taking "the best player" difficult this year.

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Who is the best player in this draft? That's who this team, devoid of talent, should draft.
I'm guessing it isn't Neal. Some draftniks have a different OT as their top tackle.

Hutch opposite Allen sounds good to me. Do we need to address the OL? Sure, but let's not pretend Cam is the worst option ever or that we can't slide in Little, get a new RT, or play in FA. #1 overall pick shouldn't be used on need. It should be used to take the best player period.

I agree.  Unfortunately with this draft, there does not appear to be a differentiated elite talent(s) ranked above others that are usually apparent in drafts of the past.  As such, you see various top prospect lists with disagreement from various respected analysts and draftniks.  

Case in point... In ESPN+ prospect rankings for this draft, there are 8 prospects with either a 93 or 94 grade (none higher than 94).  The 3 (alphabetically) with an identical 94 grade are Hamilton, Hutchinson, and Neal.  The 5 with a 93 grade are Ekwonu, Dean, Gardner, Thibodeaux, and Stingley.  Just for reference, Trevor Lawrence had a 97 grade in 2021 and Chase Young had a 95 in 2020, both with leading grades from the pack of prospects.  It makes simply taking "the best player" difficult this year.

Daniel Jeremiah said the difference in player 16 to player 60 is the slimmest it's ever been for him.

Then someone else said the difference from player 1 to player 60 is the slimmest they've ever seen. This just isn't a very elite class but it's deep.

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Daniel Jeremiah said the difference in player 16 to player 60 is the slimmest it's ever been for him.

Then someone else said the difference from player 1 to player 60 is the slimmest they've ever seen. This just isn't a very elite class but it's deep.

I don't even think the depth is that good anymore. It's just that bad at the top.

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Who is the best player in this draft? That's who this team, devoid of talent, should draft.
I'm guessing it isn't Neal. Some draftniks have a different OT as their top tackle.

Hutch opposite Allen sounds good to me. Do we need to address the OL? Sure, but let's not pretend Cam is the worst option ever or that we can't slide in Little, get a new RT, or play in FA. #1 overall pick shouldn't be used on need. It should be used to take the best player period.

I agree.  Unfortunately with this draft, there does not appear to be a differentiated elite talent(s) ranked above others that are usually apparent in drafts of the past.  As such, you see various top prospect lists with disagreement from various respected analysts and draftniks.  

Case in point... In ESPN+ prospect rankings for this draft, there are 8 prospects with either a 93 or 94 grade (none higher than 94).  The 3 (alphabetically) with an identical 94 grade are Hamilton, Hutchinson, and Neal.  The 5 with a 93 grade are Ekwonu, Dean, Gardner, Thibodeaux, and Stingley.  Just for reference, Trevor Lawrence had a 97 grade in 2021 and Chase Young had a 95 in 2020, both with leading grades from the pack of prospects within their respective draft year.  It makes simply taking "the best player" difficult this year.

Yeah but we can't draft based on ESPN rankings. 
Personally I think we should pair Hutch with Allen and address OL elsewhere. Little at LT seems logical and move on from Taylor at RT with a 2nd or 3rd rounder or cheaper FA.
If the talk is putting Neal at RT he isn't a #1 overall selection. And I'm not sure how a safety is worthy of #1 overall. Take the pass rusher and move on imo.

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I think you have to tag Cam Robinson. Again, not a fan of seeing this team constantly backfilling the same positions over and over with premium draft picks. Robinson is not the greatest, but, he's not that bad. He's serviceable. You also already invested a 2nd RD pick from last year's draft on Walker Little.

Taking Evan Neal, who, in some scouting circles is not even considered the top OT prospect in general, just seems like a bad move. I have a feeling Hutchinson and Thibodeaux are going to really light it up at the combine anyway. Thus, making the decision that much easier for Baalke on the opening night of the draft.

It will really come down to which player fits your scheme better, which player offers the most potential in terms of versatility and movement along the front four, and which player has the highest overall ceiling. If you cannot engineer a trade back. Take the DE that benefits the team as a whole.

A really, really good edge rusher that can pressure a QB on 3rd and long, strike a RB down behind the LOS for a loss or command an extra blocker or two to free up Josh Allen IMHO offers more value than a blocker in a new scheme that may ultimately enable Lawrence to make quicker, faster reads and throws to really eliminate the need of an immediate upgrade at LT.

Focus on defense early. Get your receiver and tight end between March and April. Start thinking about using those three or four picks in the sixth round to move back up into RD3 again or RD4 to land a quality, developmental type prospect that can challenge for a starting job during training camp or at least enable you to bridge the gap of moving on from Taylor in 2023.

Plenty of good candidates there in RD3 - RD4 to address a position or two on the offensive line.

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I think you have to tag Cam Robinson. Again, not a fan of seeing this team constantly backfilling the same positions over and over with premium draft picks. Robinson is not the greatest, but, he's not that bad. He's serviceable. You also already invested a 2nd RD pick from last year's draft on Walker Little.

Taking Evan Neal, who, in some scouting circles is not even considered the top OT prospect in general, just seems like a bad move. I have a feeling Hutchinson and Thibodeaux are going to really light it up at the combine anyway. Thus, making the decision that much easier for Baalke on the opening night of the draft.

It will really come down to which player fits your scheme better, which player offers the most potential in terms of versatility and movement along the front four, and which player has the highest overall ceiling. If you cannot engineer a trade back. Take the DE that benefits the team as a whole.

A really, really good edge rusher that can pressure a QB on 3rd and long, strike a RB down behind the LOS for a loss or command an extra blocker or two to free up Josh Allen IMHO offers more value than a blocker in a new scheme that may ultimately enable Lawrence to make quicker, faster reads and throws to really eliminate the need of an immediate upgrade at LT.

Focus on defense early. Get your receiver and tight end between March and April. Start thinking about using those three or four picks in the sixth round to move back up into RD3 again or RD4 to land a quality, developmental type prospect that can challenge for a starting job during training camp or at least enable you to bridge the gap of moving on from Taylor in 2023.

Plenty of good candidates there in RD3 - RD4 to address a position or two on the offensive line.

What if we were able to sign Chandler Jones.  Then who would you draft?  We did get Arozona dline coach.  He could be like that good veteran signing when we got CC in 17

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I think you have to tag Cam Robinson. Again, not a fan of seeing this team constantly backfilling the same positions over and over with premium draft picks. Robinson is not the greatest, but, he's not that bad. He's serviceable. You also already invested a 2nd RD pick from last year's draft on Walker Little.

Taking Evan Neal, who, in some scouting circles is not even considered the top OT prospect in general, just seems like a bad move. I have a feeling Hutchinson and Thibodeaux are going to really light it up at the combine anyway. Thus, making the decision that much easier for Baalke on the opening night of the draft.

It will really come down to which player fits your scheme better, which player offers the most potential in terms of versatility and movement along the front four, and which player has the highest overall ceiling. If you cannot engineer a trade back. Take the DE that benefits the team as a whole.

A really, really good edge rusher that can pressure a QB on 3rd and long, strike a RB down behind the LOS for a loss or command an extra blocker or two to free up Josh Allen IMHO offers more value than a blocker in a new scheme that may ultimately enable Lawrence to make quicker, faster reads and throws to really eliminate the need of an immediate upgrade at LT.

Focus on defense early. Get your receiver and tight end between March and April. Start thinking about using those three or four picks in the sixth round to move back up into RD3 again or RD4 to land a quality, developmental type prospect that can challenge for a starting job during training camp or at least enable you to bridge the gap of moving on from Taylor in 2023.

Plenty of good candidates there in RD3 - RD4 to address a position or two on the offensive line.

What if we were able to sign Chandler Jones.  Then who would you draft?  We did get Arozona dline coach.  He could be like that good veteran signing when we got CC in 17

I like Chandler Jones. He'll be 32 tomorrow already though. I think you can sign a guy like that and still draft the freak athlete, whether that's Hutchinson or Thibodeaux and go from there. Wouldn't mind seeing a 3 - 4 pressure package with Jones & Allen coming off of one side together with Thibodeaux or Hutchinson coming around from the opposite side. 

Sounds ideal to me. Having that much potential off the edge enables your inside backers and NT to do a [BLEEP] ton more as well from an interior point of view. Enables them to focus more on the ground game in key situations or to drop back and cover when needed.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

What if we were able to sign Chandler Jones.  Then who would you draft?  We did get Arozona dline coach.  He could be like that good veteran signing when we got CC in 17

I like Chandler Jones. He'll be 32 tomorrow already though. I think you can sign a guy like that and still draft the freak athlete, whether that's Hutchinson or Thibodeaux and go from there. Wouldn't mind seeing a 3 - 4 pressure package with Jones & Allen coming off of one side together with Thibodeaux or Hutchinson coming around from the opposite side. 

Sounds ideal to me. Having that much potential off the edge enables your inside backers and NT to do a [BLEEP] ton more as well from an interior point of view. Enables them to focus more on the ground game in key situations or to drop back and cover when needed.

Exactly. Signing Chandler Jones wouldn't keep me from drafting the BAP #1 overall. You always take the BAP, unless that player is a QB and you already have a franchise QB. We could really use a pass rusher. We could even use 2 pass rushers and the best player in the draft just happens to be an edge rusher.

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I like Chandler Jones. He'll be 32 tomorrow already though. I think you can sign a guy like that and still draft the freak athlete, whether that's Hutchinson or Thibodeaux and go from there. Wouldn't mind seeing a 3 - 4 pressure package with Jones & Allen coming off of one side together with Thibodeaux or Hutchinson coming around from the opposite side. 

Sounds ideal to me. Having that much potential off the edge enables your inside backers and NT to do a [BLEEP] ton more as well from an interior point of view. Enables them to focus more on the ground game in key situations or to drop back and cover when needed.

Exactly. Signing Chandler Jones wouldn't keep me from drafting the BAP #1 overall. You always take the BAP, unless that player is a QB and you already have a franchise QB. We could really use a pass rusher. We could even use 2 pass rushers and the best player in the draft just happens to be an edge rusher.

I'd still take Hutch but they might feel Neal is the BPA, we shall see.  Little and Neal at the tackle positions does sound good for Trevor.  I really want Hutch though

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Exactly. Signing Chandler Jones wouldn't keep me from drafting the BAP #1 overall. You always take the BAP, unless that player is a QB and you already have a franchise QB. We could really use a pass rusher. We could even use 2 pass rushers and the best player in the draft just happens to be an edge rusher.

I'd still take Hutch but they might feel Neal is the BPA, we shall see.  Little and Neal at the tackle positions does sound good for Trevor.  I really want Hutch though

They would be in a very, very small minority. Even the mock drafts projecting him to us #1 overall, don't have Neal listed as the best player in the draft. He's not even the best OT in many of those lists.

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I think Evan Neal could be on the same level as Eugene Monroe in the NFL. I think he'll be one of the better pass blockers in the NFL earlier on in his career but he'll never really stand out amongst the Pro-Bowl level LT's. If he plays RT, he'll probably excel. He's being compared to Tristan Wirfs. A lot of us were big fans of Wirfs on here. Myself included. However, Wirfs was selected 13th overall and he's a RT.

I cannot justify taking Neal as the number one overall player to play RT. Not over a pair of promising pass rushers. Listen, if an analyst came out and said, or, if there was a general overall consensus of Neal being the next Joe Thomas at LT for the next decade? I already have his name on my card. My pick is within a minute.

I am tagging Chark at WR. Targeting pass rushers like Chandler Jones and Von Miller who are older and more experienced to hold me over for a year or two while I look for another pass rusher in RD2 or RD3 to start developing.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."