I bet the offensive line guys are saying Lawrence needs to make quicker reads and get the ball out quicker.

At times, that is true. 

Plenty of other times the LG is getting blown away instantly, the RT is being beaten around the edge in 2 seconds and the Center is being bull-rushed into the QB rapidly. 

The line isn't giving him a pocket often enough AND he needs to be a beat quicker getting rid of the ball at times.

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I bet the offensive line guys are saying Lawrence needs to make quicker reads and get the ball out quicker.

At times, that is true. 

Plenty of other times the LG is getting blown away instantly, the RT is being beaten around the edge in 2 seconds and the Center is being bull-rushed into the QB rapidly. 

The line isn't giving him a pocket often enough AND he needs to be a beat quicker getting rid of the ball at times.

I still say it's 60/40 with the 60 portion being on the offensive line. I agree. Especially today. A bit of both but mostly on pass protection today.

Bartch at least two or three times looked like he was trying out for the Matrix franchise with his back arching moves.

There was maybe two, three instances where I was openly saying "Step up, step up, step up" today with Lawrence. He has to improve on that. The internal clock. He also needs to work on his pass trajectory.

Too many batted passes today. Something we saw a lot with Bortles. Need to get those broomstick drills out there to force him into getting out and up or at least sliding to a cleaner throwing lane.

He also back peddals a lot after getting dinged a bit. He did get hit a lot today. There was too many instances of free runners already in the backfield when he's sold the play action.

I also throw some of this burden on Doug. Week one on the road. Your runningbacks looked good early with limited touches. You have to get them more involved. Especially in the redzone. Think Doug was over thinking it a bit here and there.

Still. DESPITE ALL of that? Lost the game by six. An overthrown TD on the opening drive and a dropped TD on the 2nd or 3rd drive on 4th and goal really made the ultimate difference today. Execution will get there.

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At times, that is true. 

Plenty of other times the LG is getting blown away instantly, the RT is being beaten around the edge in 2 seconds and the Center is being bull-rushed into the QB rapidly. 

The line isn't giving him a pocket often enough AND he needs to be a beat quicker getting rid of the ball at times.

I still say it's 60/40 with the 60 portion being on the offensive line. I agree. Especially today. A bit of both but mostly on pass protection today.

Bartch at least two or three times looked like he was trying out for the Matrix franchise with his back arching moves.

There was maybe two, three instances where I was openly saying "Step up, step up, step up" today with Lawrence. He has to improve on that. The internal clock. He also needs to work on his pass trajectory.

Too many batted passes today. Something we saw a lot with Bortles. Need to get those broomstick drills out there to force him into getting out and up or at least sliding to a cleaner throwing lane.

He also back peddals a lot after getting dinged a bit. He did get hit a lot today. There was too many instances of free runners already in the backfield when he's sold the play action.

I also throw some of this burden on Doug. Week one on the road. Your runningbacks looked good early with limited touches. You have to get them more involved. Especially in the redzone. Think Doug was over thinking it a bit here and there.

Still. DESPITE ALL of that? Lost the game by six. An overthrown TD on the opening drive and a dropped TD on the 2nd or 3rd drive on 4th and goal really made the ultimate difference today. Execution will get there.

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Good post. The oline didn't have a great game and when they get beaten on a play they get beaten badly. I get that Lawrence starts to feel the phantom pressure even though he shouldn't. The big thing for me is Lawrence not thinking it's all on him, that he has to make a superstar play every time. I was pretty impressed with how well the O went down the field today. Kirk had a solid game and hopefully can be that safety blanket WR when a play goes wrong. 

Like you say there opportunities and points were there today, we just made too many little mistakes that added up but I see no reason why next week we don't make those plays. The 2nd half gave me a lot of hope and I saw a team fighting. 

Lawrence will always get the blame when we don't win but people writing him off is just nuts. Of course he has plenty to improve on but anyone who thought he'd just go out and lead us to a SB was deluding themselves.

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Yeah he's not Herbert, Brady, or Manning but I wouldn't throw him in the trash. I see him as being an above average QB just not a HOFer. Which is fine due to the absolute garbage we've had prior.

The one thing that was over hyped was his running ability. He's tall with long strides so he can cover ground once he gets started, but he doesn't have quick feet, quick twitch, and the agility of true running QBs. He needs to get more lower body strength.

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He’s not that good guys.

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On what play did the RT get blown up in 2 seconds. I would like to watch it. Let me know the video and the minute mark.

Also I would like to watch the center getting bull rushed.

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On what play did the RT get blown up in 2 seconds. I would like to watch it. Let me know the video and the minute mark.

Also I would like to watch the center getting bull rushed.

What I saw was Robinson getting whipped at key moments. And they had consistent push up the middle.

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To me it felt like tackling was a large issue today, and blocking. More than Trevor's issues anyways.

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"Don't argue with an idiot, people watching may not be able to tell the difference."

He had no time to throw a lot but he did miss some throws. But we got people already writing him off. Oh well.

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At times, that is true. 

Plenty of other times the LG is getting blown away instantly, the RT is being beaten around the edge in 2 seconds and the Center is being bull-rushed into the QB rapidly. 

The line isn't giving him a pocket often enough AND he needs to be a beat quicker getting rid of the ball at times.

I still say it's 60/40 with the 60 portion being on the offensive line. I agree. Especially today. A bit of both but mostly on pass protection today.

Bartch at least two or three times looked like he was trying out for the Matrix franchise with his back arching moves.

There was maybe two, three instances where I was openly saying "Step up, step up, step up" today with Lawrence. He has to improve on that. The internal clock. He also needs to work on his pass trajectory.

Too many batted passes today. Something we saw a lot with Bortles. Need to get those broomstick drills out there to force him into getting out and up or at least sliding to a cleaner throwing lane.

He also back peddals a lot after getting dinged a bit. He did get hit a lot today. There was too many instances of free runners already in the backfield when he's sold the play action.

I also throw some of this burden on Doug. Week one on the road. Your runningbacks looked good early with limited touches. You have to get them more involved. Especially in the redzone. Think Doug was over thinking it a bit here and there.

Still. DESPITE ALL of that? Lost the game by six. An overthrown TD on the opening drive and a dropped TD on the 2nd or 3rd drive on 4th and goal really made the ultimate difference today. Execution will get there.

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The coach always needs some blame, but I think Doug made the right adjustments at halftime. If you recall, most of the pressure early on came from Washington rushing wide. They were not allowing him to roll out of the pocket AT ALL. This is what made our offense look so horrific after the first drive. Doug stopped that by half-time and didn't do it at all in the second half. Pretty much the only time TL left the pocket was when he was forced out or backpedaled instead of stepping up. Personally, I would have caused some QB draws to exploit that, but I understand why you might not want to do that with your star QB. TL can improve, but I think Doug made the right adjustments, not the wrong ones... at least as it pertains to getting TL out of the pocket. 

That said, I think people on here are too hard on TL generally speaking. I am empathetic to TL's first overthrows. If you've ever played QB, adrenaline is a real problem early in the game. That normally goes away after your first few games. He's still new, but he HAS to fix that. Also, my concerns for him coming out of college are still valid: He tends to miss a more open guy for one that the play is designed to go to, and he still doesn't throw his receivers open. I don't know how much of the former is on the coaches, but the latter HAS to change. 

I don't know if he'll ever be a generational talent, but some of you guys have a short memory. He throws a MUCH better ball than any QB we've had in a long time, and it's not like there are a bunch of QBs out there that can replace him. My hope is that we see week to week improvement under Doug, and that some of these passes aren't TL missing the open receiver but being hamstrung by the coaches early on. 

That pass he made to end the game was really the only terrible play made by TL that is inexcusable. I still think he underestimates the speed of defensive linemen in this league. Those boys are FAST. The rest of his mistakes are growing pains, imo. Hope he works this stuff out. Still, we could have won this game with his play if not for leaving some points on the table.

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I think what you have to ask yourself is does Trevor have the tools to continue to develop into the player that can make us contenders? I still believe he does. I’m not going to let the first game of the season change my mind on that one. However, I think the hope that he was going to step in and be an Andrew luck style instant winner has definitely been dashed. He’s more of a Josh Allen project that is going to take some time to develop but has all the tools to be great. While this may seem surprising, college offenses can cover up a lot of flaws of a player. That is why it is so hard to project QBs. that said, I’m confident that Trevor Lawrence will be our quarterback for the next 10 years.

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I still say it's 60/40 with the 60 portion being on the offensive line. I agree. Especially today. A bit of both but mostly on pass protection today.

Bartch at least two or three times looked like he was trying out for the Matrix franchise with his back arching moves.

There was maybe two, three instances where I was openly saying "Step up, step up, step up" today with Lawrence. He has to improve on that. The internal clock. He also needs to work on his pass trajectory.

Too many batted passes today. Something we saw a lot with Bortles. Need to get those broomstick drills out there to force him into getting out and up or at least sliding to a cleaner throwing lane.

He also back peddals a lot after getting dinged a bit. He did get hit a lot today. There was too many instances of free runners already in the backfield when he's sold the play action.

I also throw some of this burden on Doug. Week one on the road. Your runningbacks looked good early with limited touches. You have to get them more involved. Especially in the redzone. Think Doug was over thinking it a bit here and there.

Still. DESPITE ALL of that? Lost the game by six. An overthrown TD on the opening drive and a dropped TD on the 2nd or 3rd drive on 4th and goal really made the ultimate difference today. Execution will get there.

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The coach always needs some blame, but I think Doug made the right adjustments at halftime. If you recall, most of the pressure early on came from Washington rushing wide. They were not allowing him to roll out of the pocket AT ALL. This is what made our offense look so horrific after the first drive. Doug stopped that by half-time and didn't do it at all in the second half. Pretty much the only time TL left the pocket was when he was forced out or backpedaled instead of stepping up. Personally, I would have caused some QB draws to exploit that, but I understand why you might not want to do that with your star QB. TL can improve, but I think Doug made the right adjustments, not the wrong ones... at least as it pertains to getting TL out of the pocket. 

That said, I think people on here are too hard on TL generally speaking. I am empathetic to TL's first overthrows. If you've ever played QB, adrenaline is a real problem early in the game. That normally goes away after your first few games. He's still new, but he HAS to fix that. Also, my concerns for him coming out of college are still valid: He tends to miss a more open guy for one that the play is designed to go to, and he still doesn't throw his receivers open. I don't know how much of the former is on the coaches, but the latter HAS to change. 

I don't know if he'll ever be a generational talent, but some of you guys have a short memory. He throws a MUCH better ball than any QB we've had in a long time, and it's not like there are a bunch of QBs out there that can replace him. My hope is that we see week to week improvement under Doug, and that some of these passes aren't TL missing the open receiver but being hamstrung by the coaches early on. 

That pass he made to end the game was really the only terrible play made by TL that is inexcusable. I still think he underestimates the speed of defensive linemen in this league. Those boys are FAST. The rest of his mistakes are growing pains, imo. Hope he works this stuff out. Still, we could have won this game with his play if not for leaving some points on the table.

I don't think his approach or adjustments made with Lawrence were wrong. I think his lack of approaching the redzone with two competent runningbacks and getting them a lot more involved in general was wrong.

15 carries for Robinson and Etienne combined? With just 4 for Etienne? That's gross. You can tell Doug was absolutely a QB with the play calling today. LOL.

Again, not going to kill him over one game. But, when you're seeing really, really good runs out of your better players on offense? Keep it going.

Funny enough. Your concerns with Lawrence not being able to throw his receivers open could be potentially alleviated when a defense has to cheat up and respect the running game. It was an obvious fix today and glaringly overlooked.

Offensive line couldn't handle the pass protection duties consistently enough but they were creating wiggle room in the running game. Keep running it until they stifle it or get ahead of it with heavier formations.

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I'm fine with what I saw today. He needs to make corrections and improve, obviously, but this is basically his rookie year. Meyer did absolutely nothing for him last year.

He needs to make quicker reads and get rid of the ball, but this line is absolute [BLEEP]. We left a lot of points on the field, and Shaq is a liability. We were never going to be a playoff team this year, but we HAVE improved.

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I think what you have to ask yourself is does Trevor have the tools to continue to develop into the player that can make us contenders? I still believe he does. I’m not going to let the first game of the season change my mind on that one. However, I think the hope that he was going to step in and be an Andrew luck style instant winner has definitely been dashed. He’s more of a Josh Allen project that is going to take some time to develop but has all the tools to be great. While this may seem surprising, college offenses can cover up a lot of flaws of a player. That is why it is so hard to project QBs.  that said, I’m confident that Trevor Lawrence will be our quarterback for the next 10 years.

I agree with what you say but as others have said he's far and away better than anything we've had at QB for some time. The big thing for me is you look at the situation Lawrence came into here. The team had #1 pick, Urban as coach and a real lack of quality on the O side of the roster. It shouldn't be on him to overcome all those things. Mahomes and Herbert are walking into much better situations than Lawrence did.

I get peoples frustration and expectations but he's just starting his 2nd year. If he's still playing like this year 4/5 then yeah its a worry.

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TL is getting better. That said he got outplayed by Carson Wentz today.

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Respect the game.  Play with a sense of urgency. 


1.)  Take care of the ball.  Win the turnover battle.

2.)  It's all about 3rd down.  Win on 3rd down to win the game.

3.) Playmakers make plays.  The only reason that you put your uniform on is to make plays. In order to EARN your paycheck, you must make plays.  

Learn from the great collapse of 2023.  

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My assessment here is:

I’ll bookmark here: I think he will bust.  He’ll be a backup in two seasons.

While he’s got an extremely powerful arm, he can’t read defences to save himself, his footwork is atrocious (perhaps his strong arm handicapping foot development), he has poor pocket discipline and he has almost no ball-throwing finesse, ie soft passes and placement.  It’s possible that the new QB coach can pack TL full of wisdom that he has’t yet acquired.  And it’s further possible that the line might be able to give him half a beat more time, reducing his need to read plays and keep him from fleeing the pocket early with crazy feet.  But I don’t think so. I think his improvement in the fundamentals of QB skills will be marginal.

Here’s to hoping I’m wrong and seeing you all rub it in my face.  Good luck, Trev.

My take.  Let’s see if I’m proven wrong.  But I suspect we’ll be trading for a veteran to “mentor” TL before the Nov 1 trading deadline (week 8 is the last week to trade).

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TL is getting better. That said he got outplayed by Carson Wentz today.

Yeah, for sure. The OL play was just as good for Trevor as it was for Wentz.

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Jags didn't play perfect, but competitive with a chance to win at the end. I'm disappointed but don't feel the need to burn it all down.

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O line was bad … Trevor made some really good throws and had some head scratchers that he missed particularly the wheel to Etienne in the Endzone.

I want to see Trevor win us some games though . Not just keep us in them.. as of right now it looks like he can’t do it. And since he was billed as generational that is falling short of the hype. But we will see if he becomes more consistent . 

The difference in o line play… particularly on the last drives for both teams was alarming… weintz had all day while lawerence was running for his life .

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Looked about as good as Joe Flacco today

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