Week 2 & 3 wasn't really impressive either.

He posts Tannehill-esque numbers.

The volume that Pederson has given him he should do way better than posting 200 yards games with two thrown TDs. That's simply not enough.

That's where the kid shines. It's growing pains. But, back to the comment you made. You're just an [BLEEP] at this point man. Sorry. Not sorry. Call a spade a spade when you see it. If you don't think playing efficient football is impressive at this level you're just an [BLEEP].

Wow dude. Really? Your exception level for a QB is very very low. Maybe watch some real QBs play than come back and tell me if what you see in him is remotely close to what you see in Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, Herbert

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That's where the kid shines. It's growing pains. But, back to the comment you made. You're just an [BLEEP] at this point man. Sorry. Not sorry. Call a spade a spade when you see it. If you don't think playing efficient football is impressive at this level you're just an [BLEEP].

Wow dude. Really? Your exception level for a QB is very very low. Maybe watch some real QBs play than come back and tell me if what you see in him is remotely close to what you see in Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, Herbert

I have watched all of them play. They all had growing pains, they all had games where you were scratching your head, etc. Again, your "expectation" level for a QB is based on experience and it takes time for QB's to become exceptional at this level. It's extremely rare a QB comes in right away and starts kicking [BLEEP] and taking charge. It's rare. 

You're comparing Mahomes, Allen, Jackson & Herbert to a guy that just notched his 22nd career start in the NFL. Which, his first 17 came at the expense of a piece of [BLEEP], lame duck coach that had no business being here to begin with. 

Mahomes walked into a perfect situation in Kansas City with Andy Reid. He didn't see his first real action until like week 15 or some [BLEEP] of his rookie year when Alex Smith was on his last few good games left in him. Jackson fell into Baltimore's laps. It's not like they didn't know what they were doing. I mean, they only had Ozzie [BLEEP] Newsome there forever building competent football teams and had already won a Superbowl without Lamar Jackson. 

For all the hype regarding Herbert? He's yet to take L.A into the play-off's and he's also been known to fold a little bit under pressure down the stretch. Right now he's no better than Philip Rivers was during his tenure in San Diego with the Chargers. Allen probably took the LONGEST to develop with his current passing traits as his first two years he was able to mask his accuracy issues by literally running his [BLEEP] off downfield and trucking defenders with his size. 

Point is. Give it time.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Wow dude. Really? Your exception level for a QB is very very low. Maybe watch some real QBs play than come back and tell me if what you see in him is remotely close to what you see in Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, Herbert

I have watched all of them play. They all had growing pains, they all had games where you were scratching your head, etc. Again, your "expectation" level for a QB is based on experience and it takes time for QB's to become exceptional at this level. It's extremely rare a QB comes in right away and starts kicking [BLEEP] and taking charge. It's rare. 

You're comparing Mahomes, Allen, Jackson & Herbert to a guy that just notched his 22nd career start in the NFL. Which, his first 17 came at the expense of a piece of [BLEEP], lame duck coach that had no business being here to begin with. 

Mahomes walked into a perfect situation in Kansas City with Andy Reid. He didn't see his first real action until like week 15 or some [BLEEP] of his rookie year when Alex Smith was on his last few good games left in him. Jackson fell into Baltimore's laps. It's not like they didn't know what they were doing. I mean, they only had Ozzie [BLEEP] Newsome there forever building competent football teams and had already won a Superbowl without Lamar Jackson. 

For all the hype regarding Herbert? He's yet to take L.A into the play-off's and he's also been known to fold a little bit under pressure down the stretch. Right now he's no better than Philip Rivers was during his tenure in San Diego with the Chargers. Allen probably took the LONGEST to develop with his current passing traits as his first two years he was able to mask his accuracy issues by literally running his [BLEEP] off downfield and trucking defenders with his size. 

Point is. Give it time.

Same old arguments.... regardless of coaches, Lawrence hasnt shown a thing of being a top 10 QB in the NFL.

Even his best games are very mediocre, if you enjoy the Alex Smiths or Ryan Tannehills or even Derek Carrs of the world then by any means go right ahead and be satisified with game managers...

The thing about those types of QBs is you better have one hell of a roster to make it work or else your wasting time.

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I have watched all of them play. They all had growing pains, they all had games where you were scratching your head, etc. Again, your "expectation" level for a QB is based on experience and it takes time for QB's to become exceptional at this level. It's extremely rare a QB comes in right away and starts kicking [BLEEP] and taking charge. It's rare. 

You're comparing Mahomes, Allen, Jackson & Herbert to a guy that just notched his 22nd career start in the NFL. Which, his first 17 came at the expense of a piece of [BLEEP], lame duck coach that had no business being here to begin with. 

Mahomes walked into a perfect situation in Kansas City with Andy Reid. He didn't see his first real action until like week 15 or some [BLEEP] of his rookie year when Alex Smith was on his last few good games left in him. Jackson fell into Baltimore's laps. It's not like they didn't know what they were doing. I mean, they only had Ozzie [BLEEP] Newsome there forever building competent football teams and had already won a Superbowl without Lamar Jackson. 

For all the hype regarding Herbert? He's yet to take L.A into the play-off's and he's also been known to fold a little bit under pressure down the stretch. Right now he's no better than Philip Rivers was during his tenure in San Diego with the Chargers. Allen probably took the LONGEST to develop with his current passing traits as his first two years he was able to mask his accuracy issues by literally running his [BLEEP] off downfield and trucking defenders with his size. 

Point is. Give it time.

Same old arguments.... regardless of coaches, Lawrence hasnt shown a thing of being a top 10 QB in the NFL.

Even his best games are very mediocre, if you enjoy the Alex Smiths or Ryan Tannehills or even Derek Carrs of the world then by any means go right ahead and be satisified with game managers...

The thing about those types of QBs is you better have one hell of a roster to make it work or else your wasting time.

LOL

You've got Lawrence all figured out after a season of Urban Meyer wasteland and 5 games under Pederson, huh?

The book hasn't been written on this kid yet. We're just seeing the early chapters. 

Same old laughable presumption, regardless of which drive by troll is posting it.

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Same old arguments.... regardless of coaches, Lawrence hasnt shown a thing of being a top 10 QB in the NFL.

Even his best games are very mediocre, if you enjoy the Alex Smiths or Ryan Tannehills or even Derek Carrs of the world then by any means go right ahead and be satisified with game managers...

The thing about those types of QBs is you better have one hell of a roster to make it work or else your wasting time.

LOL

You've got Lawrence all figured out after a season of Urban Meyer wasteland and 5 games under Pederson, huh?

The book hasn't been written on this kid yet. We're just seeing the early chapters. 

Same old laughable presumption, regardless of which drive by troll is posting it.

I do. His 22 games arent even better than Minshew. That says alot...

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LOL

You've got Lawrence all figured out after a season of Urban Meyer wasteland and 5 games under Pederson, huh?

The book hasn't been written on this kid yet. We're just seeing the early chapters. 

Same old laughable presumption, regardless of which drive by troll is posting it.

I do. His 22 games arent even better than Minshew. That says alot...

This post says "a lot"

it says you are looking at stats and not evaluating QB skill and ability - just like several of your other posts

It also says you're making assumptions about Lawrence's career trajectory - which is unwise at best at this stage in his career

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I do. His 22 games arent even better than Minshew. That says alot...

This post says "a lot"

it says you are looking at stats and not evaluating QB skill and ability - just like several of your other posts

It also says you're making assumptions about Lawrence's career trajectory - which is unwise at best at this stage in his career

You refuse to acknowledge facts. That's not my fault. Its definetly a you problem and not mine. I've laid facts that Minshew was better in his first 22 games than oud #1 picked QB. And are you trying to brush that off as stats are pointless. Well newflash, players get paid on what they put up on their stat sheet. 


You also dont realize that Lawrence had the worst rookie season of any #1 overall QB of the last decade regardles of his dogshit HC he had.

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This post says "a lot"

it says you are looking at stats and not evaluating QB skill and ability - just like several of your other posts

It also says you're making assumptions about Lawrence's career trajectory - which is unwise at best at this stage in his career

You refuse to acknowledge facts. That's not my fault. Its definetly a you problem and not mine. I've laid facts that Minshew was better in his first 22 games than oud #1 picked QB. And are you trying to brush that off as stats are pointless. Well newflash, players get paid on what they put up on their stat sheet. 


You also dont realize that Lawrence had the worst rookie season of any #1 overall QB of the last decade regardles of his dogshit HC he had.

LOL

OK - you just go ahead and enjoy your stat-lines and premature prognostications

You'll likely look like a complete moron by this time next season, but whatever, that's a "you" problem. 

By the way - dog [BLEEP] is two words and avoiding our profanity filter earns warnings here

https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.php?tid=21106

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You refuse to acknowledge facts. That's not my fault. Its definetly a you problem and not mine. I've laid facts that Minshew was better in his first 22 games than oud #1 picked QB. And are you trying to brush that off as stats are pointless. Well newflash, players get paid on what they put up on their stat sheet. 


You also dont realize that Lawrence had the worst rookie season of any #1 overall QB of the last decade regardles of his dogshit HC he had.

LOL

OK - you just go ahead and enjoy your stat-lines and premature prognostications

You'll likely look like a complete moron by this time next season, but whatever, that's a "you" problem. 

By the way - dog [BLEEP] is two words and avoiding our profanity filter earns warnings here

https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.php?tid=21106

Ok, Alex Jones.

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You refuse to acknowledge facts. That's not my fault. Its definetly a you problem and not mine. I've laid facts that Minshew was better in his first 22 games than oud #1 picked QB. And are you trying to brush that off as stats are pointless. Well newflash, players get paid on what they put up on their stat sheet. 


You also dont realize that Lawrence had the worst rookie season of any #1 overall QB of the last decade regardles of his dogshit HC he had.

LOL

OK - you just go ahead and enjoy your stat-lines and premature ejaculations.

You'll likely look like a complete moron by this time next season, but whatever, that's a "you" problem. 

By the way - dog [BLEEP] is two words and avoiding our profanity filter earns warnings here

https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.php?tid=21106

Fixed it.

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The usual suspects still trying to argue a failed point. Shame shame shame.

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The usual suspects still trying to argue a failed point. Shame shame shame.

Go vote, you have a couple days left. Your back and forth means nothing

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I have watched all of them play. They all had growing pains, they all had games where you were scratching your head, etc. Again, your "expectation" level for a QB is based on experience and it takes time for QB's to become exceptional at this level. It's extremely rare a QB comes in right away and starts kicking [BLEEP] and taking charge. It's rare. 

You're comparing Mahomes, Allen, Jackson & Herbert to a guy that just notched his 22nd career start in the NFL. Which, his first 17 came at the expense of a piece of [BLEEP], lame duck coach that had no business being here to begin with. 

Mahomes walked into a perfect situation in Kansas City with Andy Reid. He didn't see his first real action until like week 15 or some [BLEEP] of his rookie year when Alex Smith was on his last few good games left in him. Jackson fell into Baltimore's laps. It's not like they didn't know what they were doing. I mean, they only had Ozzie [BLEEP] Newsome there forever building competent football teams and had already won a Superbowl without Lamar Jackson. 

For all the hype regarding Herbert? He's yet to take L.A into the play-off's and he's also been known to fold a little bit under pressure down the stretch. Right now he's no better than Philip Rivers was during his tenure in San Diego with the Chargers. Allen probably took the LONGEST to develop with his current passing traits as his first two years he was able to mask his accuracy issues by literally running his [BLEEP] off downfield and trucking defenders with his size. 

Point is. Give it time.

Same old arguments.... regardless of coaches, Lawrence hasnt shown a thing of being a top 10 QB in the NFL.

Even his best games are very mediocre, if you enjoy the Alex Smiths or Ryan Tannehills or even Derek Carrs of the world then by any means go right ahead and be satisified with game managers...

The thing about those types of QBs is you better have one hell of a roster to make it work or else your wasting time.

Too early. Twenty two games in is just a little too early to write someone off. I liked Minshew. Still do.

I think there's a few points to be made though. If Minshew was as good as this fanbase painted him out to be? Guess what?

We wouldn't have been in position to draft Lawrence to begin with. It was his job to lose. He lost it. He didn't do enough with Marrone.

The hell of a roster statement is laughable at best, as it typically takes a hell of a roster to win at the highest level in this sport.

QB play alone doesn't mean [BLEEP]. Tom Brady had a perfect year with his best regular season performance ever and they fell flat in the Superbowl.

You can go back and look at any great team and see that typically it boiled down to, competent to dominate defense, 3rd down efficiency on offense and a few lucky [BLEEP] breaks.



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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

LOL

OK - you just go ahead and enjoy your stat-lines and premature prognostications

You'll likely look like a complete moron by this time next season, but whatever, that's a "you" problem. 

By the way - dog [BLEEP] is two words and avoiding our profanity filter earns warnings here

https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.php?tid=21106

Ok, Alex Jones.

Good lord. Alex Jones?

Get a life dweeb.

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I have watched all of them play. They all had growing pains, they all had games where you were scratching your head, etc. Again, your "expectation" level for a QB is based on experience and it takes time for QB's to become exceptional at this level. It's extremely rare a QB comes in right away and starts kicking [BLEEP] and taking charge. It's rare. 

You're comparing Mahomes, Allen, Jackson & Herbert to a guy that just notched his 22nd career start in the NFL. Which, his first 17 came at the expense of a piece of [BLEEP], lame duck coach that had no business being here to begin with. 

Mahomes walked into a perfect situation in Kansas City with Andy Reid. He didn't see his first real action until like week 15 or some [BLEEP] of his rookie year when Alex Smith was on his last few good games left in him. Jackson fell into Baltimore's laps. It's not like they didn't know what they were doing. I mean, they only had Ozzie [BLEEP] Newsome there forever building competent football teams and had already won a Superbowl without Lamar Jackson. 

For all the hype regarding Herbert? He's yet to take L.A into the play-off's and he's also been known to fold a little bit under pressure down the stretch. Right now he's no better than Philip Rivers was during his tenure in San Diego with the Chargers. Allen probably took the LONGEST to develop with his current passing traits as his first two years he was able to mask his accuracy issues by literally running his [BLEEP] off downfield and trucking defenders with his size. 

Point is. Give it time.

Same old arguments.... regardless of coaches, Lawrence hasnt shown a thing of being a top 10 QB in the NFL.

Even his best games are very mediocre, if you enjoy the Alex Smiths or Ryan Tannehills or even Derek Carrs of the world then by any means go right ahead and be satisified with game managers...

The thing about those types of QBs is you better have one hell of a roster to make it work or else your wasting time.

Eh, I'm critical of his last two games and having concerns, but his first 3 games this year weren't mediocre. Let's be real.

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Same old arguments.... regardless of coaches, Lawrence hasnt shown a thing of being a top 10 QB in the NFL.

Even his best games are very mediocre, if you enjoy the Alex Smiths or Ryan Tannehills or even Derek Carrs of the world then by any means go right ahead and be satisified with game managers...

The thing about those types of QBs is you better have one hell of a roster to make it work or else your wasting time.

Eh, I'm critical of his last two games and having concerns, but his first 3 games this year weren't mediocre. Let's be real.

AFC offensive player of the week wasn't mediocre?  Gtfoh

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Same old arguments.... regardless of coaches, Lawrence hasnt shown a thing of being a top 10 QB in the NFL.

Even his best games are very mediocre, if you enjoy the Alex Smiths or Ryan Tannehills or even Derek Carrs of the world then by any means go right ahead and be satisified with game managers...

The thing about those types of QBs is you better have one hell of a roster to make it work or else your wasting time.

Eh, I'm critical of his last two games and having concerns, but his first 3 games this year weren't mediocre. Let's be real.

No. No. Efficient football, winning a game in L.A (something that never happens), landing QBR's over 110.0 two games in a row is medicore. Don't [BLEEP] yourself. He's ONLY capable of playing like he did the last two weeks. That's who he is. There's no way he'll ever rebound.

Get out of here with your logic and common sense. We don't need that here. We don't need supportive, hopeful and fair judgements here.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Ok, Alex Jones.

Good lord. Alex Jones?

Get a life dweeb.

Be nice "dweeb" or someone might dip your black and decker in a jar of atomic balm!

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Eh, I'm critical of his last two games and having concerns, but his first 3 games this year weren't mediocre. Let's be real.

AFC offensive player of the week wasn't mediocre?  Gtfoh

Still don't see how he won it over Lamar.

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Same old arguments.... regardless of coaches, Lawrence hasnt shown a thing of being a top 10 QB in the NFL.

Even his best games are very mediocre, if you enjoy the Alex Smiths or Ryan Tannehills or even Derek Carrs of the world then by any means go right ahead and be satisified with game managers...

The thing about those types of QBs is you better have one hell of a roster to make it work or else your wasting time.

Eh, I'm critical of his last two games and having concerns, but his first 3 games this year weren't mediocre. Let's be real.

They were. Game managers put those numbers up weekly.

See Cousins, Tannehill & Carr.

Has lawrence thrown for 4 TDs or even racked up 400 yards yet? Doubtful.

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