I’m just waiting for it all to come together and the team starts turning these close games into Ws. I don’t think it’s too far off.

I feel the same way, with the caveat of injuries being the main thing that could postpone that transition. 

I know many will call me crazy (and other insults) but I have enjoyed the transition we've already seen.

Lots of new developments compared to the past few years:

• We move the football very effectively in almost game (red zone being the hangup in a few contests) 
  
• We stop the run well consistently with few exceptions
  
• Aside from one game of too many flags and a few individual boneheaded penalties - we are a much more disciplined team
  
• piggybacking on that ^ the offensive execution is happening at a higher degree of difficulty and also doing it w/o all the offsides and illegal formation/ shift penalties we were accruing - pre snap motion on lots of plays has been effective against more than half of our opponents thus far
  
• Way fewer dropped passes
  
• Way less second-guessing of the play calling - yes we have some gripes - but it is nothing compared to what we've endured in recent years
  
• we have a higher percentage of young talented players who are bought in to Pederson's system 
  
• There is very little drama around the organization as a whole, locker room or individual players or staff 
  

I'm calling this marked improvement and I think the wins start coming as all of this rolls forward. Can't wait to see one more offseason of talent additions mixed in to get this over the top. 

I'm frustrated by the losses, but not so much that I don't recognize what has improved.

100 percent agree with this

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Bro you're too caught up in just wins/losses right now. This team was the worst team in the league for the past 2 straight seasons. You wont even have a chance to win games if you can't at least field a half competent team. Doug and co. has got this team to not only be competent, but to be very competitive in 1 off season. 

I get it, we all want wins, you play to win the game blah blah, but there's a bigger picture here for this season. It isn't simply about the win/loss column this year. This season is all about trying to right a ship that has been off track for over a decade. That was never going to happen over night, but it's absolutely starting to point in the right direction. The wins will come.

I'm not buying this, if Doug feels this way we hired the wrong coach.  With that said I dont believe he feels this way.  It's doesn't take years to change a franchise around anymore.  We have one of the best QB prospects to come out in the last decade, a SB winning coach, set a free agency spending record, 2 1st round pics this year,  and already had some core players like Josh Allen, JRob, Etienne, Campbell, Cisco, , Cooke, Cam etc. We are a better team than our record.  The Giants and Jets have been about as bad as we have been the past 5 years.  It's doesn't take years to turn things around anymore.  I believe in Doug but he went 4-11 his last year in Philly like Searcy was saying.  We have to start winning games, that's how you get better

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This is just dumb.

No one is happy with losses. There is not some special thing with this fanbase that many folks "are happy with losses." That whole narrative is complete and total horse [BLEEP]. Game attendance proves it. We sell out when we win - we have half capacity when we lose for any extended period. 

Most people are simply able to see the difference between a team unable to compete at all and a team on the cusp of becoming a winner. We were one of those things last year, and we are the other this year. 

If you want to be a miserable sack of [BLEEP] until we have an 11-6 record, by all means, have at it. 
Just stop making a fool of yourself about it here, please. 
We all understand you are not capable of appreciating an improving team.

That's my point, it's just a few that are happy with close losses.

Are you secretly JaguarsWoman’s alt?

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I'm not buying this, if Doug feels this way we hired the wrong coach.  With that said I dont believe he feels this way.  It's doesn't take years to change a franchise around anymore.  We have one of the best QB prospects to come out in the last decade, a SB winning coach, set a free agency spending record, 2 1st round pics this year,  and already had some core players like Josh Allen, JRob, Etienne, Campbell, Cisco, , Cooke, Cam etc. We are a better team than our record.  The Giants and Jets have been about as bad as we have been the past 5 years.  It's doesn't take years to turn things around anymore.  I believe in Doug but he went 4-11 his last year in Philly like Searcy was saying.  We have to start winning games, that's how you get better

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That's my point, it's just a few that are happy with close losses.

If it's about wins this year then Doug gets fired at the end of the year because this is not even a .500 team. If they get to .500 Doug did a heck of a job, but you'd probably fire him and hire some college retread like the last guy.

I'm one of the few that wanted Doug and not Byron, you got the wrong guy.  There were a few that it was Byron or bust.  Even if he doesn't get to .500 doesn't mean it wasn't about wins, it's always about wins.

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I'm not buying this, if Doug feels this way we hired the wrong coach.  With that said I dont believe he feels this way.  It's doesn't take years to change a franchise around anymore.  We have one of the best QB prospects to come out in the last decade, a SB winning coach, set a free agency spending record, 2 1st round pics this year,  and already had some core players like Josh Allen, JRob, Etienne, Campbell, Cisco, , Cooke, Cam etc. We are a better team than our record.  The Giants and Jets have been about as bad as we have been the past 5 years.  It's doesn't take years to turn things around anymore.  I believe in Doug but he went 4-11 his last year in Philly like Searcy was saying.  We have to start winning games, that's how you get better

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That's my point, it's just a few that are happy with close losses.

Are you secretly JaguarsWoman’s alt?

Did JaguarWoman want wins?  Lol, I don't remember that.

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If it's about wins this year then Doug gets fired at the end of the year because this is not even a .500 team. If they get to .500 Doug did a heck of a job, but you'd probably fire him and hire some college retread like the last guy.

I'm one of the few that wanted Doug and not Byron, you got the wrong guy.  There were a few that it was Byron or bust.  Even if he doesn't get to .500 doesn't mean it wasn't about wins, it's always about wins.

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Are you secretly JaguarsWoman’s alt?

Did JaguarWoman want wins?  Lol, I don't remember that.

What they heck are you on about Byron Leftwich for?

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Bro you're too caught up in just wins/losses right now. This team was the worst team in the league for the past 2 straight seasons. You wont even have a chance to win games if you can't at least field a half competent team. Doug and co. has got this team to not only be competent, but to be very competitive in 1 off season. 

I get it, we all want wins, you play to win the game blah blah, but there's a bigger picture here for this season. It isn't simply about the win/loss column this year. This season is all about trying to right a ship that has been off track for over a decade. That was never going to happen over night, but it's absolutely starting to point in the right direction. The wins will come.

I'm not buying this, if Doug feels this way we hired the wrong coach.  With that said I dont believe he feels this way.  It's doesn't take years to change a franchise around anymore.  We have one of the best QB prospects to come out in the last decade, a SB winning coach, set a free agency spending record, 2 1st round pics this year,  and already had some core players like Josh Allen, JRob, Etienne, Campbell, Cisco, , Cooke, Cam etc. We are a better team than our record.  The Giants and Jets have been about as bad as we have been the past 5 years.  It's doesn't take years to turn things around anymore.  I believe in Doug but he went 4-11 his last year in Philly like Searcy was saying.  We have to start winning games, that's how you get better

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This is just dumb.

No one is happy with losses. There is not some special thing with this fanbase that many folks "are happy with losses." That whole narrative is complete and total horse [BLEEP]. Game attendance proves it. We sell out when we win - we have half capacity when we lose for any extended period. 

Most people are simply able to see the difference between a team unable to compete at all and a team on the cusp of becoming a winner. We were one of those things last year, and we are the other this year. 

If you want to be a miserable sack of [BLEEP] until we have an 11-6 record, by all means, have at it. 
Just stop making a fool of yourself about it here, please. 
We all understand you are not capable of appreciating an improving team.

That's my point, it's just a few that are happy with close losses.

It doesn't take years to turn a team around??... so what? you expect it to be done in less than six games.... That's ridiculous lol... we have one draft class/free agency under a new head coach new coordinators and a bunch of new players.... Everybody knows well "apparently not everybody" knew that this season would be looking to see improvement...and we're seeing it

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We are better than last year but just being better than last year is a low bar. And to say we are showing improvement, we are showing improvement from last year but I want to see progress and improvement this year. We won 2 in a row and have lost 3 straight, that's not improvement, that is going backwards. After 3 games we were top 5 in most categories, we have since been dropping in almost every category since week 3. Hopefully we can beat the Giants and get on a win streak, that would be improvement

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We are better than last year but just being better than last year is a low bar.  And to say we are showing improvement, we are showing improvement from last year but I want to see progress and improvement this year. We won 2 in a row and have lost 3 straight, that's not improvement, that is going backwards.  After 3 games we were top 5 in most categories, we have since been dropping in almost every category since week 3. Hopefully we can beat the Giants and get on a win streak, that would be improvement

We are currently number six at point differential +24 That's improvement and shows where this team is heading....  we're literally in every single game down to the last minutes... That's improvement... I know what you want we all want it... but we realize it's not going to happen in six games

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I’m just waiting for it all to come together and the team starts turning these close games into Ws. I don’t think it’s too far off.

I feel the same way, with the caveat of injuries being the main thing that could postpone that transition. 

I know many will call me crazy (and other insults) but I have enjoyed the transition we've already seen.

Lots of new developments compared to the past few years:

• We move the football very effectively in almost game (red zone being the hangup in a few contests) 
  
• We stop the run well consistently with few exceptions
  
• Aside from one game of too many flags and a few individual boneheaded penalties - we are a much more disciplined team
  
• piggybacking on that ^ the offensive execution is happening at a higher degree of difficulty and also doing it w/o all the offsides and illegal formation/ shift penalties we were accruing - pre snap motion on lots of plays has been effective against more than half of our opponents thus far
  
• Way fewer dropped passes
  
• Way less second-guessing of the play calling - yes we have some gripes - but it is nothing compared to what we've endured in recent years
  
• we have a higher percentage of young talented players who are bought in to Pederson's system 
  
• There is very little drama around the organization as a whole, locker room or individual players or staff 
  

I'm calling this marked improvement and I think the wins start coming as all of this rolls forward. Can't wait to see one more offseason of talent additions mixed in to get this over the top. 

I'm frustrated by the losses, but not so much that I don't recognize what has improved.

this right here. before the season started, I figured we would see stupid mistakes and winnable losses early. I believed the growth will be gradual, gaining momentum as the season progressed. I can't say we haven't seen that. Let's just hope the second half of the prediction shows up as well

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Bro you're too caught up in just wins/losses right now. This team was the worst team in the league for the past 2 straight seasons. You wont even have a chance to win games if you can't at least field a half competent team. Doug and co. has got this team to not only be competent, but to be very competitive in 1 off season. 

I get it, we all want wins, you play to win the game blah blah, but there's a bigger picture here for this season. It isn't simply about the win/loss column this year. This season is all about trying to right a ship that has been off track for over a decade. That was never going to happen over night, but it's absolutely starting to point in the right direction. The wins will come.

I'm not buying this, if Doug feels this way we hired the wrong coach.  With that said I dont believe he feels this way.  It's doesn't take years to change a franchise around anymore.  We have one of the best QB prospects to come out in the last decade, a SB winning coach, set a free agency spending record, 2 1st round pics this year,  and already had some core players like Josh Allen, JRob, Etienne, Campbell, Cisco, , Cooke, Cam etc. We are a better team than our record.  The Giants and Jets have been about as bad as we have been the past 5 years.  It's doesn't take years to turn things around anymore.  I believe in Doug but he went 4-11 his last year in Philly like Searcy was saying.  We have to start winning games, that's how you get better

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This is just dumb.

No one is happy with losses. There is not some special thing with this fanbase that many folks "are happy with losses." That whole narrative is complete and total horse [BLEEP]. Game attendance proves it. We sell out when we win - we have half capacity when we lose for any extended period. 

Most people are simply able to see the difference between a team unable to compete at all and a team on the cusp of becoming a winner. We were one of those things last year, and we are the other this year. 

If you want to be a miserable sack of [BLEEP] until we have an 11-6 record, by all means, have at it. 
Just stop making a fool of yourself about it here, please. 
We all understand you are not capable of appreciating an improving team.

That's my point, it's just a few that are happy with close losses.

Who are the few? Call them out since you know who they are.

No one likes losing. Losing sucks. I'm not happy with close losses and I don't think anyone on here is "happy" about it. But in a thread called "perspective", it's good to have some. The losses suck but if you can't see the difference between this team and the teams of the past, you're shortsighted.

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I'm preaching patience. I was also screaming at my TV when Doug called Wildcat at the goal line and Option on 4th and 1. I also cursed both Walker and Griffin repeatedly. You can be both patient and disappointed.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I'm preaching patience. I was also screaming at my TV when Doug called Wildcat at the goal line and Option on 4th and 1. I also cursed both Walker and Griffin repeatedly. You can be both patient and disappointed.

That wildcat play is a decent call if it's after a big run and you immediately get to the line and set. Keeps the D from being able to sub/adjust.  IIRC there was quite a delay from previous play to lineup and snap, and it made no sense to try there.

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I'm preaching patience. I was also screaming at my TV when Doug called Wildcat at the goal line and Option on 4th and 1. I also cursed both Walker and Griffin repeatedly. You can be both patient and disappointed.

https://twitter.com/_John_Shipley/status...M5GQVwLc9g

Good timing.

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I'm preaching patience. I was also screaming at my TV when Doug called Wildcat at the goal line and Option on 4th and 1. I also cursed both Walker and Griffin repeatedly. You can be both patient and disappointed.

https://twitter.com/_John_Shipley/status...M5GQVwLc9g

Good timing.

We don't have to do it all the time, but we do need some power running formations on these red zone and short yardage situations. The Hasty TD is what happens when we use our big men effectively. Same with the Lawrence TDs, bust the ball in behind the big Uggs and good things will happen.

Edit: JRob took that house call on 4th an 1 as well, that's twice in a few games we've taken a Down and 1 play over 50 yards on a power run play.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

This upcoming game is huge for this team. Get a win, and the optimism can return. Lose, and you are 2-5 with low morale

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This upcoming game is huge for this team. Get a win, and the optimism can return. Lose, and you are 2-5 with low morale

Facts

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Losing Sunday would be a mortal blow

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Losing Sunday would be a mortal blow

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Did anyone really think they were a playoff team? Anyone with that expectation isn't realistic.

Jets 4-2
Giants 5-1
Falcons 3-3, just beat one of the best NFC teams

These teams have been right around us in talent level and yet are looking far better.  Daniel Jones was supposed to be a weight around their neck.  Wilson has looked terrible.  Mariota is a failed QB having a resurgence in ATL.  And yet here they all are in the mix while we fall behind.

The Jags had one of the top 5 easiest remaining schedules two weeks ago.  We started that out by going 0-2.  The Colts had scored 6 TDs in FIVE WEEKS and they scored FOUR today.

This team looks flat and unmotivated.  They're losers who have been conditioned to lose.

The Giants are the only real “surprise” team in this group since they do have a 1st year coach - but even then, they aren’t starting very many rookies/2nd year players.

The Falcons and Jets have had coaches in place for a full season. They’ve had time to adjust to their mistakes. The Jags’ foundation is being laid, but it hasn’t solidified yet.

You also mentioned these teams having the same talent level - no. Wrong.

Saquon Barkley is a top 3 RB in terms of talent. This dude can and does take over a game. When this dude is healthy, the Giants are a problem for the majority of teams in the league. They also have some pretty good receivers. I’m still not sold on Daniel Jones, but so far, he’s avoided costing them games so far (how long that’ll last is anyone’s guess). 

However, they do struggle without Barkley, which is why the Jets and the Falcons are, long term, better overall teams. Their teams had rough 1st years under their new coaches. They are making some progress this year, but they still aren’t expected to make the playoffs - even though they could surprise us if they don’t suffer too many injuries.

Long story short: Give Doug Peterson a chance to renovate this team (talent, staff and culture wise) and stop moving the expectation needle in the middle of an ongoing season.

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Just throw strength of schedule out the window this season

Everything is off script this year

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I think we’re gonna see how much progress we’ve made Sunday. If we hang tough fine. If we get blown out, well shucks. I wouldn’t want to be here Monday

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