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Trevor Lawrence Discussion (merged)
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(10-23-2022, 06:20 PM)rpr52121 Wrote:(10-23-2022, 05:38 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: Never said that. My point is that you better be damn sure about your QB at number one. The type of player drafted at that position should come in and immediately make a difference That has never been the expectation of rookie QBs. It's barely an expectation that they immediately start and many coaches would really like them to sit, but there's just too much external pressure to get them on the field. The most recent and most successful illustration of waiting is Patrick Mahomes, but people don't want to follow Andy Reid's plan because it clearly didn't work. “An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato
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10-23-2022, 06:25 PM
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(10-23-2022, 05:28 PM):lol:Charlie Sheen Wrote:(10-23-2022, 05:26 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: So you would have been okay the Jags trading out of that pick and a bevy of draft picks? You're on drugs.... And thank God you're not in charge of any drafting in the jags organization bawaaaha seriously ![]()
(10-23-2022, 06:24 PM)rpr52121 Wrote:(10-23-2022, 06:20 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: I actually started a thread before that draft asking people what they would take for Lawrence. Almost to a man the posters responded that there was nothing they would take and most acted like it was a stupid thread to even start because the answer wasn't worth debating. My point is those people changed their tune pretty damn fast. “An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato
(10-23-2022, 05:58 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:Better than this. We will likely have one of the worst records this year as well. Is that going to be your excuse next year if we are bad? "3 years in a row, give it time" how many years do you think it takes to turn a team around? We had 2 first round picks, last year got one of the best QB prospects in the last decade aling with another 1st rounder, set a record in FA spending this year. It doesn't take years to turn a team around lol. This isn't the 80's(10-23-2022, 05:42 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: flsprtsgod has stated multiple times he already felt this season was over before it started. If you feel that way then you don't feel like you have a franchise QB (10-23-2022, 06:21 PM)rpr52121 Wrote:(10-23-2022, 06:11 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: I will say, I questioned it at the time because the only two games I'd seen Clemson play real-time were two of his poorer games. I kinda liked Justin Fields though, so what do I know? Anyway, a lot of people thought he was the second coming of Elway so I thought he was the only choice they really could make . Yes, I have friends and family in Illinois who are Bears' fans and they say this although they also say Fields hasn't been a great decision maker either which sounds familiar, lol.
I'm condescending. That means I talk down to you.
Check out the Jag's Forum Alternative: Duval Football Fans. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (10-23-2022, 05:38 PM)SamusAranX Wrote:He has other than last year he's made a complete difference.... Can you name another quarterback in that draft You would rather take... that you think would do better(10-23-2022, 05:26 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: So you would have been okay the Jags trading out of that pick and a bevy of draft picks? (10-23-2022, 05:39 PM)copycat Wrote:(10-23-2022, 04:11 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Not really, but whiners gonna whine. Well last week he came back with a 10 minute drive to take the lead in the fourth quarter with two minutes left It was the defense that dropped the ball.... The problem is with you people is you only want to focus on the negative when it suits you
(10-23-2022, 06:27 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:(10-23-2022, 05:58 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Again, what the heck were you expecting? This was the worst team in the NFL for the past 2 and half seasons. We turned over the head coach 3 times in 18 months. We traded our 1st pick from two years ago because he was terrible and the other one is The Invisible Man. The guy the year before that is a non-factor on Sundays. We have just turned 23 year old QB. Do you really think you blink your eyes and start winning in the NFL? You can feel like you have your guy but the team hasn't arrived yet.Better than this. We will likely have one of the worst records this year as well. Is that going to be your excuse next year if we are bad? "3 years in a row, give it time" how many years do you think it takes to turn a team around? We had 2 first round picks, last year got one of the best QB prospects in the last decade aling with another 1st rounder, set a record in FA spending this year. It doesn't take years to turn a team around lol. This isn't the 80's Right, so what you're saying is you don't understand how this works. I think we've established that. As for your answer, it's pretty clear that this team has already turned around, we just have some maturing to do. Again, that you miss that is evidence of your lack of understanding. I'll keep explaining it to you, maybe one day your light will come on. “An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato
10-23-2022, 06:36 PM
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(10-23-2022, 06:29 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:Lmao, says the moral victory guy. Heck yeah man, we kept it close (fist bump) lol. You don't turn the corner until you start winning. The moment we start winning games consistently is when you have turned the corner. You are the same guy that gives out participation trophies with your losing mentality(10-23-2022, 06:27 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Better than this. We will likely have one of the worst records this year as well. Is that going to be your excuse next year if we are bad? "3 years in a row, give it time" how many years do you think it takes to turn a team around? We had 2 first round picks, last year got one of the best QB prospects in the last decade aling with another 1st rounder, set a record in FA spending this year. It doesn't take years to turn a team around lol. This isn't the 80's (10-23-2022, 06:29 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:Highly doubtful. He’s emotional each week. High highs and low lows.(10-23-2022, 06:27 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Better than this. We will likely have one of the worst records this year as well. Is that going to be your excuse next year if we are bad? "3 years in a row, give it time" how many years do you think it takes to turn a team around? We had 2 first round picks, last year got one of the best QB prospects in the last decade aling with another 1st rounder, set a record in FA spending this year. It doesn't take years to turn a team around lol. This isn't the 80's Best defense in the league! We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (10-23-2022, 05:58 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:(10-23-2022, 05:42 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: flsprtsgod has stated multiple times he already felt this season was over before it started. If you feel that way then you don't feel like you have a franchise QB It's not even worth wasting your breath on these people they obviously don't get the scope of things (10-23-2022, 06:12 PM)Cleatwood Wrote:This....I mean seriously this!!!(10-23-2022, 05:58 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Again, what the heck were you expecting? This was the worst team in the NFL for the past 2 and half seasons. We turned over the head coach 3 times in 18 months. We traded our 1st pick from two years ago because he was terrible and the other one is The Invisible Man. The guy the year before that is a non-factor on Sundays. We have just turned 23 year old QB. Do you really think you blink your eyes and start winning in the NFL? You can feel like you have your guy but the team hasn't arrived yet.“He’s not clutch!” (10-23-2022, 05:58 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:(10-23-2022, 05:42 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: flsprtsgod has stated multiple times he already felt this season was over before it started. If you feel that way then you don't feel like you have a franchise QB How many top 20 QB’s score in that situation? Be honest, how many what the heck moments did you observe today? We all see him sail passes, we see him lack touch in crucial situations. I’d love to be wrong but the evidence is stacking up against him. Last week we saw Ryan move his team down the field and put it in the endzone when it mattered most. I’m starting to question if we had 2 minutes on the clock whom I would rather have under center, Menshew’s moxy or Trevors’s talent.
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(10-23-2022, 06:40 PM)nejagsfan Wrote:(10-23-2022, 05:58 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Again, what the heck were you expecting? This was the worst team in the NFL for the past 2 and half seasons. We turned over the head coach 3 times in 18 months. We traded our 1st pick from two years ago because he was terrible and the other one is The Invisible Man. The guy the year before that is a non-factor on Sundays. We have just turned 23 year old QB. Do you really think you blink your eyes and start winning in the NFL? You can feel like you have your guy but the team hasn't arrived yet. Oh I get it 100%. It's a process, young QB, first year coach, better than last year, keeping games close, showing improvement. 1. If your basing you team off of it just being better than last year you [BLEEP] up already and the barr is too low. 2. We should be showing improvement throughout the year not just from last year. We won 2 games in a row and now have lost 4 straight, that is not showing improvement, that's going backwards. (10-23-2022, 06:27 PM)MarleyJag Wrote:(10-23-2022, 06:21 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: Fields is being ruined in Chicago. It is worse than what the Texans did to David Carr. Well. He is also a project. He was never gonna walk in and dominate. But their scheme and offense with Nagy last year, and this season have ruined his confidence and make everything hard for him. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
(10-23-2022, 06:47 PM)copycat Wrote:Pretty sure Trevor could dice up the Jags D on a final drive if he got the chance. Lol. Ryan looks good against horrible D…(10-23-2022, 05:58 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Again, what the heck were you expecting? This was the worst team in the NFL for the past 2 and half seasons. We turned over the head coach 3 times in 18 months. We traded our 1st pick from two years ago because he was terrible and the other one is The Invisible Man. The guy the year before that is a non-factor on Sundays. We have just turned 23 year old QB. Do you really think you blink your eyes and start winning in the NFL? You can feel like you have your guy but the team hasn't arrived yet. (10-23-2022, 06:47 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:(10-23-2022, 06:40 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: It's not even worth wasting your breath on these people they obviously don't get the scope of things If you have ever taught any young people or had children, you would know that improvement and learning is never that straight forward.
It’s the sailed passes that were the most concerning for me. Missed a wide open Jones for what would have been game winning points
(10-23-2022, 06:47 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:(10-23-2022, 06:40 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: It's not even worth wasting your breath on these people they obviously don't get the scope of things You don't see improvement from last year bawaaaha seriously ![]() We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
10-23-2022, 06:54 PM
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(10-23-2022, 06:52 PM)nejagsfan Wrote:See number 1, I didn't say that(10-23-2022, 06:47 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Oh I get it 100%. It's a process, young QB, first year coach, better than last year, keeping games close, showing improvement. 1. If your basing you team off of it just being better than last year you [BLEEP] up already and the barr is too low. 2. We should be showing improvement throughout the year not just from last year. We won 2 games in a row and now have lost 4 straight, that is not showing improvement, that's going backwards. (10-23-2022, 06:52 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: It’s the sailed passes that were the most concerning for me. Missed a wide open Jones for what would have been game winning points It's definitely something he needs to continue to work on going forward because he's absolutely left some TDs/plays on the field, but I'd rather my QB over throw sometimes than under throw. Over throws are typically incomplete, or only where your receiver can get it. Under throws are typically INTs. (10-23-2022, 06:50 PM)ClemsonRob Wrote:(10-23-2022, 06:47 PM)copycat Wrote: How many top 20 QB’s score in that situation? Be honest, how many what the heck moments did you observe today? We all see him sail passes, we see him lack touch in crucial situations. I’d love to be wrong but the evidence is stacking up against him. Last week we saw Ryan move his team down the field and put it in the endzone when it mattered most. I’m starting to question if we had 2 minutes on the clock whom I would rather have under center, Menshew’s moxy or Trevors’s talent.Pretty sure Trevor could dice up the Jags D on a final drive if he got the chance. Lol. Ryan looks good against horrible D… I can’t argue that but at the same time until he does it; objectively you have to question it. Sure last week he drove the team down for a go ahead score but there were 10 minutes on the clock.
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