Id rather have an elite player for 4 years than one of the guys everyone else wanted who look to be backup fodder but maybe thats just me


While we tend to never agree on everything i guess at the very least you gotta admit. Meyer openly wanted kadarius toney and i think we can both agree that would have been a disaster

Wow, you're ready to label a guy with a handful of starts that regularly gets run down from behind as elite while also [BLEEP] on a 23 year old QB anytime he shows growth struggles?

ETN has out performed every RB in the NFL in terms of effeciency, he has the highest YPC in the league and also had the most 40+ yard runs whilst having much less attempts than the other guys around him. ETN is 5th in Rushing Yards with only 120 carries. He's also gained 100 yards in every single game he's started. If that's not elite, Idk what is.

And I get that a lot of the times rbs only last 3-4 years, but that's not ALWAYS the case either.

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Wow, you're ready to label a guy with a handful of starts that regularly gets run down from behind as elite while also [BLEEP] on a 23 year old QB anytime he shows growth struggles?

ETN has out performed every RB in the NFL in terms of effeciency, he has the highest YPC in the league and also had the most 40+ yard runs whilst having much less attempts than the other guys around him. ETN is 5th in Rushing Yards with only 120 carries. He's also gained 100 yards in every single game he's started. If that's not elite, Idk what is.

And I get that a lot of the times rbs only last 3-4 years, but that's not ALWAYS the case either.

If he keeps it up the elite term can get bandied around.

He hasn't even played enough to see good defenses scheme against him. 

I think he will continue to be dynamic if he stays healthy.

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ETN has out performed every RB in the NFL in terms of effeciency, he has the highest YPC in the league and also had the most 40+ yard runs whilst having much less attempts than the other guys around him. ETN is 5th in Rushing Yards with only 120 carries. He's also gained 100 yards in every single game he's started. If that's not elite, Idk what is.

And I get that a lot of the times rbs only last 3-4 years, but that's not ALWAYS the case either.

If he keeps it up the elite term can get bandied around.

He hasn't even played enough to see good defenses scheme against him. 

I think he will continue to be dynamic if he stays healthy.

This is good for Trev and the passing game and I do think teams will have to start doing this.  Hopefully it starts with the Chiefs and Trevor can take advantage

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ETN has out performed every RB in the NFL in terms of effeciency, he has the highest YPC in the league and also had the most 40+ yard runs whilst having much less attempts than the other guys around him. ETN is 5th in Rushing Yards with only 120 carries. He's also gained 100 yards in every single game he's started. If that's not elite, Idk what is.

And I get that a lot of the times rbs only last 3-4 years, but that's not ALWAYS the case either.

If he keeps it up the elite term can get bandied around.

He hasn't even played enough to see good defenses scheme against him. 

I think he will continue to be dynamic if he stays healthy.

Okay allow me to rephrase then, he's playing at an elite level.

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If he keeps it up the elite term can get bandied around.

He hasn't even played enough to see good defenses scheme against him. 

I think he will continue to be dynamic if he stays healthy.

Okay allow me to rephrase then, he's playing at an elite level.

And team is 1-4 in that stretch.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Okay allow me to rephrase then, he's playing at an elite level.

And team is 1-4 in that stretch.

And according to you and others, it's because of the defense not the offense. right?

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ETN has out performed every RB in the NFL in terms of effeciency, he has the highest YPC in the league and also had the most 40+ yard runs whilst having much less attempts than the other guys around him. ETN is 5th in Rushing Yards with only 120 carries. He's also gained 100 yards in every single game he's started. If that's not elite, Idk what is.

And I get that a lot of the times rbs only last 3-4 years, but that's not ALWAYS the case either.

If he keeps it up the elite term can get bandied around.

He hasn't even played enough to see good defenses scheme against him. 

I think he will continue to be dynamic if he stays healthy.

And when they do that, we should see more open looks for the passing game.

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And team is 1-4 in that stretch.

And according to you and others, it's because of the defense not the offense. right?

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If he keeps it up the elite term can get bandied around.

He hasn't even played enough to see good defenses scheme against him. 

I think he will continue to be dynamic if he stays healthy.

And when they do that, we should see more open looks for the passing game.

No, the team has lost. You're the one who wants to blame only the QB. Fact remains, elite RBs don't solve franchise problems.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

And according to you and others, it's because of the defense not the offense. right?

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And when they do that, we should see more open looks for the passing game.

No, the team has lost. You're the one who wants to blame only the QB. Fact remains, elite RBs don't solve franchise problems.

The Rams have an elite DT, WR, and some would say CB.  They have won 3 games.  Its a team sport.  No 1 player solves franchise problems, you have to build a team and the team has to play good.  Aaron Rodgers has 3 wins

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Wow, you're ready to label a guy with a handful of starts that regularly gets run down from behind as elite while also [BLEEP] on a 23 year old QB anytime he shows growth struggles?

ETN has out performed every RB in the NFL in terms of effeciency, he has the highest YPC in the league and also had the most 40+ yard runs whilst having much less attempts than the other guys around him. ETN is 5th in Rushing Yards with only 120 carries. He's also gained 100 yards in every single game he's started. If that's not elite, Idk what is.

And I get that a lot of the times rbs only last 3-4 years, but that's not ALWAYS the case either.

He's played great. I'm not going to call him elite at this point, though. If he were able to run away from defenses I might see it, but he either lost some speed to the foot injury, or never had great long speed. Right now he's a really good player, just not elite.

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No, the team has lost. You're the one who wants to blame only the QB. Fact remains, elite RBs don't solve franchise problems.

The Rams have an elite DT, WR, and some would say CB.  They have won 3 games.  Its a team sport.  No 1 player solves franchise problems, you have to build a team and the team has to play good.  Aaron Rodgers has 3 wins

In the tiers of players who do solve franchise problems RBs are at the bottom with Safetie, Guards and Teams players.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

And according to you and others, it's because of the defense not the offense. right?

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And when they do that, we should see more open looks for the passing game.

No, the team has lost. You're the one who wants to blame only the QB. Fact remains, elite RBs don't solve franchise problems.

In our 6 losses, our QB has 11 turnovers. 
In our 3 wins, he has none. 

QB is typically the position that matters the most when it comes to wins/losses, now whether you want to blame his poor play on the O line/WRs or whatever is up to you, but you don't win many games when you turn the ball over more than you score. That elite RB has been one of the reasons our offense has been able to score enough points to keep us in games.


"Elite RBs don't solve franchise problems"

LOL okay, tell me where the Giants are right now without Barkley, or Ten without Henry, or the Brownies without Chubb. All these teams have been winning because of their elite rbs. PS, do you think we beat the raiders without ETNs performance? Probably not.

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No, the team has lost. You're the one who wants to blame only the QB. Fact remains, elite RBs don't solve franchise problems.

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"Elite RBs don't solve franchise problems"

LOL okay, tell me where the Giants are right now without Barkley, or Ten without Henry, or the Brownies without Chubb. All these teams have been winning because of their elite rbs. PS, do you think we beat the raiders without ETNs performance? Probably not.

NFL history is littered with elite backs that were wasted on bad teams that went years without challenging for a division title. 

Barry Sanders all time W/L record is 74-79

If you want something closer to home, ask Fred Taylor and MJD about elite backs and W/L records.

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"Elite RBs don't solve franchise problems"

LOL okay, tell me where the Giants are right now without Barkley, or Ten without Henry, or the Brownies without Chubb. All these teams have been winning because of their elite rbs. PS, do you think we beat the raiders without ETNs performance? Probably not.

NFL history is littered with elite backs that were wasted on bad teams that went years without challenging for a division title. 

Barry Sanders all time W/L record is 74-79

If you want something closer to home, ask Fred Taylor and MJD about elite backs and W/L records.

I'm not arguing that RB is the most important position because it's not. But my point still stands, ETN was far and beyond the best player available at that pick. And again, I think an elite RB is more valuable than backups/below average starters.

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If there was a player available where we took ETN that was half the prospect he was coming out, then I'd understand the anger. But this was the 25th overall pick and the talent around him was not up to par.

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If there was a player available where we took ETN that was half the prospect he was coming out, then I'd understand the anger. But this was the 25th overall pick and the talent around him was not up to par.

Who’s angry? Lol

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NFL history is littered with elite backs that were wasted on bad teams that went years without challenging for a division title. 

Barry Sanders all time W/L record is 74-79

If you want something closer to home, ask Fred Taylor and MJD about elite backs and W/L records.

I'm not arguing that RB is the most important position because it's not. But my point still stands, ETN was far and beyond the best player available at that pick. And again, I think an elite RB is more valuable than backups/below average starters.

Not if he flames out in three or four years due to injury. Which often happens to reckless running backs. 
He's already missed a full year. 

I'm thrilled he is playing so well, and hope he ends up in the Jags ring of honor, but I'm not writing the guys biography after 3 starts. 

I disliked the pick, but I hope he beats the odds and makes me a fool to doubt it. 
I mean, he's not going to make me the fool that Trevor Lawrence is making of you because I never bashed the guy, never told the board there was no hope for him, and never insulted everyone who disagreed with me about it, but you know, to each his own I suppose.

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"Elite RBs don't solve franchise problems"

LOL okay, tell me where the Giants are right now without Barkley, or Ten without Henry, or the Brownies without Chubb. All these teams have been winning because of their elite rbs. PS, do you think we beat the raiders without ETNs performance? Probably not.

NFL history is littered with elite backs that were wasted on bad teams that went years without challenging for a division title. 

Barry Sanders all time W/L record is 74-79

If you want something closer to home, ask Fred Taylor and MJD about elite backs and W/L records.

Barry Sanders was on a trash teams.  Herman Moore is the only other player I can think of on those team who was a damn good WR.  Look at Calvin Johnson, he was on a winless team.  It still seems like Barry was in the playoffs a lot of those years, only if he had a decent team.

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No, the team has lost. You're the one who wants to blame only the QB. Fact remains, elite RBs don't solve franchise problems.

In our 6 losses, our QB has 11 turnovers. 
In our 3 wins, he has none. 

QB is typically the position that matters the most when it comes to wins/losses, now whether you want to blame his poor play on the O line/WRs or whatever is up to you, but you don't win many games when you turn the ball over more than you score. That elite RB has been one of the reasons our offense has been able to score enough points to keep us in games.


"Elite RBs don't solve franchise problems"

LOL okay, tell me where the Giants are right now without Barkley, or Ten without Henry, or the Brownies without Chubb. All these teams have been winning because of their elite rbs. PS, do you think we beat the raiders without ETNs performance? Probably not.

You can go back a few pages to find where I go player by player and prove you're wrong.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I'm not arguing that RB is the most important position because it's not. But my point still stands, ETN was far and beyond the best player available at that pick. And again, I think an elite RB is more valuable than backups/below average starters.

Not if he flames out in three or four years due to injury. Which often happens to reckless running backs. 
He's already missed a full year. 

I'm thrilled he is playing so well, and hope he ends up in the Jags ring of honor, but I'm not writing the guys biography after 3 starts. 

I disliked the pick, but I hope he beats the odds and makes me a fool to doubt it. 
I mean, he's not going to make me the fool that Trevor Lawrence is making of you because I never bashed the guy, never told the board there was no hope for him, and never insulted everyone who disagreed with me about it, but you know, to each his own I suppose.

Lol the qb with 24 turnovers and 24 tds has done nothing in terms of making me a fool, his production has been worse than i would have even expected from my opinion of him. He played well last week but your gonna need that to start being the norm before you can tell me otherwise. I guess we can blame the o line tho even tho hes the least sacked qb in the league.

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Not if he flames out in three or four years due to injury. Which often happens to reckless running backs. 
He's already missed a full year. 

I'm thrilled he is playing so well, and hope he ends up in the Jags ring of honor, but I'm not writing the guys biography after 3 starts. 

I disliked the pick, but I hope he beats the odds and makes me a fool to doubt it. 
I mean, he's not going to make me the fool that Trevor Lawrence is making of you because I never bashed the guy, never told the board there was no hope for him, and never insulted everyone who disagreed with me about it, but you know, to each his own I suppose.

Lol the qb with 24 turnovers and 24 tds has done nothing in terms of making me a fool, his production has been worse than i would have even expected from my opinion of him. He played well last week but your gonna need that to start being the norm before you can tell me otherwise. I guess we can blame the o line tho even tho hes the least sacked qb in the league.

*Most pressured but least sacked.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato