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Let's talk Salary Cap 2023

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(This post was last modified: 11-22-2022, 08:31 PM by JagFan81. Edited 1 time in total.)

So this has been a background issue for this year but is going to be a big issue once the offseason kicks in. We are not in a great position cap wise for 2023. Now the current cap is $230m and not expected to jump too much this year due to the covid seasons. At the moment we are projected to be spending $235m already for next year and that is for 39 players only.

Now looking at easy was to save some money, there are a few easy cuts that help us out, some maybe not.

Shaq Griffin- $17.5m contract but a $4m dead cap hit saving $13.5m
RRH- $10.1m contract but a $2m dead cap hit saving $7.8m
Rayshawn Jenkins- $10.25m but a dead cap of $4m saving $6.25
Jamal Agnew- $5.9m but a dead cap of $1.1m saving $4.75m
Chaisson- $4.2m contract but a dead cap of $0 saving $4.2m

Now I think Shaq and RRH are gone but those 4 players are the only cuts that save us cap, everyone else is huge figures so we don't have too much room to manoeuvre.

Looking at the potential FA market, other than a few headline names who will be tagged or agree a deal there's not too much talent which helps us. We may be able to make one or two smart additions with the cap we create.

We are going to have to improve in the draft and Baalke has to have a great draft this year. We need more quality on the roster and while making the majority of that rookies isn't ideal, it's the way we need to go this offseason. We are seeing this team getting better and growing and Baalke needs to give Doug those players that keep us going upwards or next year could be a repeat of this year's so close but so far.
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#2

The Rams seem to always be in cap hell but find ways to keep and pay most core players. I think they will figure it out. I do not see many high priced free agents this offseason.
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#3

Shaq Griffin getting paid that much makes me want to vomit.
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#4

(11-23-2022, 05:19 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: Shaq Griffin getting paid that much makes me want to vomit.

We are paying some guys BIG money next year.

Cam Robinson- $22.5m
Christian Kirk- $21.5m
Brandon Scherff- $20m
Foyesade Oluokon- $19.1m
Fatukasi- $12.8m
Darious Williams- $12.5m
Josh Allen- $10.8m
Lawrence- $10m
Zay Jones- $9.8m

A few of them need to start deserving those contracts.
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#5
(This post was last modified: 11-23-2022, 01:36 PM by wg171. Edited 5 times in total.)

(11-23-2022, 09:59 AM)JagFan81 Wrote:
(11-23-2022, 05:19 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: Shaq Griffin getting paid that much makes me want to vomit.

We are paying some guys BIG money next year.

Cam Robinson- $22.5m
Christian Kirk- $21.5m
Brandon Scherff- $20m
Foyesade Oluokon- $19.1m
Fatukasi- $12.8m
Darious Williams- $12.5m
Josh Allen- $10.8m
Lawrence- $10m
Zay Jones- $9.8m

A few of them need to start deserving those contracts.

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3 cuts to get under the cap:

Griffin, Jenkins, Chaisson.

I like RRH, he’s a little overpaid but he’s had some games where he’s just straight killing dudes and consistently disrupts the opponents backfield. If we need to move on from him I wouldn’t be heartbroken.

Agnew brings speed that we just lack right now, if we can’t find 6 million of cap to keep him but pay Zay Jones 10 million I just don’t get it. Jones had been solid but I view his contract the same way I viewed Lee and Moncriefs, big over pay for a guy who should be WR4 on a contending team.
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(11-23-2022, 11:53 AM)Firesky Wrote: 3 cuts to get under the cap:

Griffin, Jenkins, Chaisson.

I like RRH, he’s a little overpaid but he’s had some games where he’s just straight killing dudes and consistently disrupts the opponents backfield. If we need to move on from him I wouldn’t be heartbroken.

Agnew brings speed that we just lack right now, if we can’t find 6 million of cap to keep him but pay Zay Jones 10 million I just don’t get it. Jones had been solid but I view his contract the same way I viewed Lee and Moncriefs, big over pay for a guy who should be WR4 on a contending team.

I agree that Agnew should be kept. Solid weapon on KR and can help on O. Zay Jones' contract means he'll still be here next year and adding Ridley, maybe a WR in the draft, it's going to be a big room but that should bring competition.

I agree that Griffin is gone, Chaisson will be gone and that's like $21m saved and you can replace them. Jenkins is a tough one, been a starter and has had good and bad moments. He would be harder to replace with an immediate upgrade or similar level in the draft so probably looking at FA or trade which may end up costing more.
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#8

May have to restructure a few contracts
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#9

I cut Griffin, Chaisson for sure. Then I would cut Jenkins over RRH just because of positional value, but you might have to cut both. You can find a safety somewhere, easier than DT. And I would cut Agnew. His role on offense has dimished and he is not that much of a didference maker in the kick game. That is 28mln saved, and I dont lose that much production. You need maybe 12-15mln for the rookie pool. You gotta restructure someone to sign a few bodies in FA (you have to hopefully pay Ridley 11mln as well)
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#10

I forgot Chaisson was still on the team. Has he played any snaps?
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#11

We'll more than likely see minimal activity in free agency, which is to be expected after the record amount of money they spent back in March of this year's free agency. A number of cuts listed in this thread are pretty much on point and will more than likely happen.

The draft is where this team will have to backfill it's holes and start creating key depth players and role players for the next few years. I think the goal is going to be landing a starting quality pass rusher from the interior position via the draft and a cornerback to play opposite of Campbell.

This will more than likely come from the free agency market. I could see them being in play for Patrick Peterson or Kyle Fuller on a one year deal. Linval Joseph & Hasaan Ridgeway could also be in play on a one year deal as well to bolster the interior to further enable the rushers around them currently on the roster.

I think this next draft is going to be offensive centric though. It has to be. We have no depth defined now behind Travis Etienne at RB. We'll be completely depleted at the TE position. You're more than likely looking at Walker Little at RT but that still leaves much to be desired at RG with Scherff's age and cap hit and LG with Bartch coming back from a season ending injury. Marvin Jones hits the market at WR and even with Calvin Ridley in the fold you're still going to want to add some players there.

We have the current picks so far in next year's draft:

RD1/P5
RD2/P36
RD3/P68
RD4/P100
RD4/P114
RD6/P164
RD6/P177
RD6/P190

Realistically I don't see them sitting on a pair of 4th RD picks or a trio of 6th RD picks. I expect Baalke to trade up at some point. I would like to think the goal though is to pull out of this draft with a starting caliber WR1, starting caliber TE1, starting caliber Guard and potentially a double dipping at either one of those positions. Depending on which player is more valued and at what position. My belief is that it will more than likely come down to the TE and Guard position since they already invested cap space this year at WR and traded for Ridley.

I think if they can somehow manage to draft Quentin Johnston on the opening night of the draft at WR and either trade back up to Michael Mayer at TE or land a starting quality TE on day two like Dalton Kincaid and then another decent receiving target like Sam LaPorta or Zack Kuntz in RD3 - RD4 they'll probably be set offensively at the skill positions. Maybe get a Guard like Jaxson Kirkland or Jarrett Patterson in RD4 to start grooming, etc.

RB wise I wouldn't hesitate dropping a 6th RD pick on Eric Gray from the Sooners.
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#12

If they can’t find a way to keep Agnew around then something is wrong.

He’s up there with Jimmy Smith, Fred Taylor, Rashean Mathis, and Alvis Whitted as one of the fastest Jaguar players of all time. Plus he gives you a little something on offense. He takes the top off.

If they do go in a different direction, there’s no way they replace his speed and acceleration on special teams. He’s one of the few return men that catches the ball clean and is instantly at full speed.
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#13

Paying zay Jones 10M next year is just highway robbery
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(This post was last modified: 11-25-2022, 07:44 AM by Caldrac. Edited 1 time in total.)

(11-25-2022, 12:23 AM)SuperJville Wrote: Paying zay Jones 10M next year is just highway robbery

I think he'll be clutch on 3rd downs next year and backfill that Marvin Jones role with him more than likely gone in the off season. You have to remember too that this is his first year in a new system with Lawrence also learning it and gelling with him and Kirk. Those guys should only improve as a unit moving forward. Still plenty of football left. Zay missed a game or two and he's close to 500 yards already. I think he'll finish with close to 800 yards this year. Not too shabby.

Then you get Ridley in the mix. Which should only help. We also get another draft class to build into this offense. I am honestly more concerned with the TE position at the moment over the WR position going into 2023. Would like to see Engram resigned but if he's not coming back maybe we can land Zach Ertz on a cheaper one year deal than Engram had this year and draft a solid player or two to develop. Mayer, Kincaid, Kuntz and LaPorta are all ideal.
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(11-24-2022, 06:24 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: If they can’t find a way to keep Agnew around then something is wrong.

He’s up there with Jimmy Smith, Fred Taylor, Rashean Mathis, and Alvis Whitted as one of the fastest Jaguar players of all time. Plus he gives you a little something on offense. He takes the top off.

If they do go in a different direction, there’s no way they replace his speed and acceleration on special teams. He’s one of the few return men that catches the ball clean and is instantly at full speed.

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#16

(11-25-2022, 12:23 AM)SuperJville Wrote: Paying zay Jones 10M next year is just highway robbery

He's veen much better than DJ Chark or Allen Robinson who is making about the same or more
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#17

(11-25-2022, 12:23 AM)SuperJville Wrote: Paying zay Jones 10M next year is just highway robbery

It's high by a couple mil -  but he's getting open very consistently and he's converted several third and longs for the team this year. 

I'm totally good with it. Nature of FA. 

Hell - I'd make him part of the salary cap fix by extending his contract by a year - spread out the money and incentivize some of it.
May be able to shave 4 mil off of the 2023 cap that way.
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(11-25-2022, 07:40 AM)Caldrac Wrote:
(11-25-2022, 12:23 AM)SuperJville Wrote: Paying zay Jones 10M next year is just highway robbery

I think he'll be clutch on 3rd downs next year and backfill that Marvin Jones role with him more than likely gone in the off season. You have to remember too that this is his first year in a new system with Lawrence also learning it and gelling with him and Kirk. Those guys should only improve as a unit moving forward. Still plenty of football left. Zay missed a game or two and he's close to 500 yards already. I think he'll finish with close to 800 yards this year. Not too shabby.

Then you get Ridley in the mix. Which should only help. We also get another draft class to build into this offense. I am honestly more concerned with the TE position at the moment over the WR position going into 2023. Would like to see Engram resigned but if he's not coming back maybe we can land Zach Ertz on a cheaper one year deal than Engram had this year and draft a solid player or two to develop. Mayer, Kincaid, Kuntz and LaPorta are all ideal.

Resigning Engram to a reasonable contract or picking up Ertz as a stop gap for a year sounds good. Wondering how much Robert Tonyan might ask for?

The front office hasn’t prioritized the TE position over the years. This will need to change with Pederson. I’m thinking adding a TE in the 2nd or maybe the 3rd at the latest. I wouldn’t hesitate to grab one in the top of the 2nd depending on who might be available.
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(11-25-2022, 11:54 AM)wg171 Wrote:
(11-25-2022, 07:40 AM)Caldrac Wrote: I think he'll be clutch on 3rd downs next year and backfill that Marvin Jones role with him more than likely gone in the off season. You have to remember too that this is his first year in a new system with Lawrence also learning it and gelling with him and Kirk. Those guys should only improve as a unit moving forward. Still plenty of football left. Zay missed a game or two and he's close to 500 yards already. I think he'll finish with close to 800 yards this year. Not too shabby.

Then you get Ridley in the mix. Which should only help. We also get another draft class to build into this offense. I am honestly more concerned with the TE position at the moment over the WR position going into 2023. Would like to see Engram resigned but if he's not coming back maybe we can land Zach Ertz on a cheaper one year deal than Engram had this year and draft a solid player or two to develop. Mayer, Kincaid, Kuntz and LaPorta are all ideal.

Resigning Engram to a reasonable contract or picking up Ertz as a stop gap for a year sounds good. Wondering how much Robert Tonyan might ask for?

The front office hasn’t prioritized the TE position over the years. This will need to change with Pederson. I’m thinking adding a TE in the 2nd or maybe the 3rd at the latest. I wouldn’t hesitate to grab one in the top of the 2nd depending on who might be available.

Would like to see them trade up for Mayer in RD1 or even take him on the opening night of the draft in the event Jalen Carter, Kelee Ringo and Quentin Johnston are off the board. He'll end up being a productive TE in the NFL. For sure. 

Next best bet would be guys like Kincaid and LaPorta. Kuntz out of Old Dominion is solid late RD option. Probably there in RD4 but he's similar to an Austin Bryant / Adam Trautman type prospect. Good player to have developing on the roster that can do some of these screen plays Arnold has done this year in limited fashion.
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(This post was last modified: 11-25-2022, 02:01 PM by TheDuke007. Edited 1 time in total.)

(11-24-2022, 06:24 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: If they can’t find a way to keep Agnew around then something is wrong.

He’s up there with Jimmy Smith, Fred Taylor, Rashean Mathis, and Alvis Whitted as one of the fastest Jaguar players of all time. Plus he gives you a little something on offense. He takes the top off.

If they do go in a different direction, there’s no way they replace his speed and acceleration on special teams. He’s one of the few return men that catches the ball clean and is instantly at full speed.

I could see this going either way.  Yes, we want to keep him.  However, the team has tough decisions salary cap wise this off-season.  Agnew has less than 100 receiving yards this year.  The team has added Ridley for next year.  Kirk and Zay Jones are returning.  Many think the team will draft a wide receiver, probably early.  Agnew is likely receiver #5 on the depth chart.  The team may prefer to use the almost $5 million in savings to find/keep a starter at another position versus paying for a return specialist.
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