If they can’t find a way to keep Agnew around then something is wrong.

He’s up there with Jimmy Smith, Fred Taylor, Rashean Mathis, and Alvis Whitted as one of the fastest Jaguar players of all time. Plus he gives you a little something on offense. He takes the top off.

If they do go in a different direction, there’s no way they replace his speed and acceleration on special teams. He’s one of the few return men that catches the ball clean and is instantly at full speed.

I could see this going either way.  Yes, we want to keep him.  However, the team has tough decisions salary cap wise this off-season.  Agnew has less than 100 receiving yards this year.  The team has added Ridley for next year.  Kirk and Zay Jones are returning.  Many think the team will draft a wide receiver, probably early.  Agnew is likely receiver #5 on the depth chart.  The team may prefer to use the almost $5 million in savings to find/keep a starter at another position versus paying for a return specialist.

I agree. Given the choice of keeping Agnew or the near $5 mil to spend elsewhere I would choose the latter.

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Obvious cap casualties are Griffin and Chaisson. I'd also let RRH and Taylor go. Taylor has played well this year, but he can be replaced by either Little or a 2nd round draft choice. I'd definitely keep Zay Jones and try to get a long term deal with Engram. The toughest decision for me would be Jenkins. He may not be great, but he has had a solid year and would be worth the $6 million cap savings to let him go.

The team will not have much money to sign any high priced free agents, but should be able to get lower priced players late in free agency to add depth to the roster. The draft should enable the Jaguars to add one potentially elite player in round 1. As things stand now, either Jalen Carter or Quinton Johnston are the "no brainer" picks and at least one of these two has about an 80% chance of being on the Board when the Jaguars come to the podium. Either of these two would be great additions and it would be difficult to argue strongly for one over the other. No doubt, this team will have enough needs to take the BAP every time they pick, but the ideal picks based on assumed needs would be:

Rd. 1: Carter or Johnston

Rd. 2: Right Tackle or cornerback

Rd. 3: Again, right tackle or corner

For the remaining picks, the team should try and maximize their extra picks by trading up at least a couple of times and use these picks to add players on both lines. There will still be a couple of needs following the draft which would be expected of a team that has been so bad.

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I very seriously doubt the team will pay Taylor what he’ll ask for. That being said, if Little doesn’t start or if he does and plays poorly he was a terrible pick. How many snaps has Little even taken in a game the past three years????

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Obvious cap casualties are Griffin and Chaisson. I'd also let RRH and Taylor go. Taylor has played well this year, but he can be replaced by either Little or a 2nd round draft choice. I'd definitely keep Zay Jones and try to get a long term deal with Engram. The toughest decision for me would be Jenkins. He may not be great, but he has had a solid year and would be worth the $6 million cap savings to let him go.

The team will not have much money to sign any high priced free agents, but should be able to get lower priced players late in free agency to add depth to the roster. The draft should enable the Jaguars to add one potentially elite player in round 1. As things stand now, either Jalen Carter or Quinton Johnston are the "no brainer" picks and at least one of these two has about an 80% chance of being on the Board when the Jaguars come to the podium. Either of these two would be great additions and it would be difficult to argue strongly for one over the other. No doubt, this team will have enough needs to take the BAP every time they pick, but the ideal picks based on assumed needs would be:

Rd. 1: Carter or Johnston

Rd. 2: Right Tackle or cornerback

Rd. 3: Again, right tackle or corner

For the remaining picks, the team should try and maximize their extra picks by trading up at least a couple of times and use these picks to add players on both lines. There will still be a couple of needs following the draft which would be expected of a team that has been so bad.

What do you do about the TE situation?

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I very seriously doubt the team will pay Taylor what he’ll ask for. That being said, if Little doesn’t start or if he does and plays poorly he was a terrible pick. How many snaps has Little even taken in a game the past three years????

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Obvious cap casualties are Griffin and Chaisson. I'd also let RRH and Taylor go. Taylor has played well this year, but he can be replaced by either Little or a 2nd round draft choice. I'd definitely keep Zay Jones and try to get a long term deal with Engram. The toughest decision for me would be Jenkins. He may not be great, but he has had a solid year and would be worth the $6 million cap savings to let him go.

The team will not have much money to sign any high priced free agents, but should be able to get lower priced players late in free agency to add depth to the roster. The draft should enable the Jaguars to add one potentially elite player in round 1. As things stand now, either Jalen Carter or Quinton Johnston are the "no brainer" picks and at least one of these two has about an 80% chance of being on the Board when the Jaguars come to the podium. Either of these two would be great additions and it would be difficult to argue strongly for one over the other. No doubt, this team will have enough needs to take the BAP every time they pick, but the ideal picks based on assumed needs would be:

Rd. 1: Carter or Johnston

Rd. 2: Right Tackle or cornerback

Rd. 3: Again, right tackle or corner

For the remaining picks, the team should try and maximize their extra picks by trading up at least a couple of times and use these picks to add players on both lines. There will still be a couple of needs following the draft which would be expected of a team that has been so bad.

What do you do about the TE situation?

Little hasn't taken enough snaps to make you feel warm and fuzzy about him during a 17 game stretch. That's for sure. He had a chance to outright take Taylor's job back in the summer and he couldn't get it done.

The TE position is my biggest concern going into next year. Would love to see Engram come back but it's anyone's guess there. They're probably going to lose Arnold to someone else. Which is odd because you got him in a trade that involved a former top ten pick last year. 

Fun, fun I guess. Ertz would be my immediate go to if nobody comes back next year. I think you have to get a small school / oversized prospect at some point on day three with all of those fourth and sixth round picks. Again, Zack Kuntz comes to mind right away. Even Mallory out of Miami would be a solid pick-up late. His dad is a current coach with the Broncos. Knows the game well.

Best case scenario for me on the opening night is them drafting Quentin Johnston, trading back up into RD1 to land Michael Mayer out of Notre Dame at TE. I like Kincaid though in RD2 if he's there. Would be a Gesicki/Freiermuth type pick we missed out on over the years.

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I very seriously doubt the team will pay Taylor what he’ll ask for. That being said, if Little doesn’t start or if he does and plays poorly he was a terrible pick. How many snaps has Little even taken in a game the past three years????

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What do you do about the TE situation?

Little hasn't taken enough snaps to make you feel warm and fuzzy about him during a 17 game stretch. That's for sure. He had a chance to outright take Taylor's job back in the summer and he couldn't get it done.

The TE position is my biggest concern going into next year. Would love to see Engram come back but it's anyone's guess there. They're probably going to lose Arnold to someone else. Which is odd because you got him in a trade that involved a former top ten pick last year. 

Fun, fun I guess. Ertz would be my immediate go to if nobody comes back next year. I think you have to get a small school / oversized prospect at some point on day three with all of those fourth and sixth round picks. Again, Zack Kuntz comes to mind right away. Even Mallory out of Miami would be a solid pick-up late. His dad is a current coach with the Broncos. Knows the game well.

Best case scenario for me on the opening night is them drafting Quentin Johnston, trading back up into RD1 to land Michael Mayer out of Notre Dame at TE. I like Kincaid though in RD2 if he's there. Would be a Gesicki/Freiermuth type pick we missed out on over the years.

Hey Cal, think I read you are a Bulldogs fan. If Darnell Washington is available with the Jags 2nd round pick do you take him?

In a Pederson offense I really prefer two quality tight ends.

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Little hasn't taken enough snaps to make you feel warm and fuzzy about him during a 17 game stretch. That's for sure. He had a chance to outright take Taylor's job back in the summer and he couldn't get it done.

The TE position is my biggest concern going into next year. Would love to see Engram come back but it's anyone's guess there. They're probably going to lose Arnold to someone else. Which is odd because you got him in a trade that involved a former top ten pick last year. 

Fun, fun I guess. Ertz would be my immediate go to if nobody comes back next year. I think you have to get a small school / oversized prospect at some point on day three with all of those fourth and sixth round picks. Again, Zack Kuntz comes to mind right away. Even Mallory out of Miami would be a solid pick-up late. His dad is a current coach with the Broncos. Knows the game well.

Best case scenario for me on the opening night is them drafting Quentin Johnston, trading back up into RD1 to land Michael Mayer out of Notre Dame at TE. I like Kincaid though in RD2 if he's there. Would be a Gesicki/Freiermuth type pick we missed out on over the years.

Hey Cal, think I read you are a Bulldogs fan. If Darnell Washington is available with the Jags 2nd round pick do you take him?

In a Pederson offense I really prefer two quality tight ends.

Honestly? No. Have seen too many concentration drops from him this year with nobody covering him.

He's a situational player at this level. Separation will be tougher and he's got good speed for a big guy but he takes time to get open.

I think of Jelani Woods when I see him at the next level. His size/speed is going to win scouts over but his production will be limited and you're going to have to scheme well to get him open.

I would take him in RD3 but not RD2 because of that.

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Extend Evan Engram and solve the TE position long term. It’s crazy how long this team has went without addressing TE spot for the future. He’s only 28 years old and is 2 receptions shy of having 300. He’s had 2 season where he’s had over 100 targets and 1 of those seasons he made the Pro Bowl (2020).

He’s still in his prime.

Lawrence is probably going to be around a while and it would be nice if he could have some familiarity at TE.

We’re in bad shape if we can’t move some money around to keep Agnew. He’s more valuable than the $5M. If a WR goes down, he can plug and play. I’m also looking for playoffs next season and a good PR/KR that can flip the field would be nice.

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Obvious cap casualties are Griffin and Chaisson. I'd also let RRH and Taylor go. Taylor has played well this year, but he can be replaced by either Little or a 2nd round draft choice. I'd definitely keep Zay Jones and try to get a long term deal with Engram. The toughest decision for me would be Jenkins. He may not be great, but he has had a solid year and would be worth the $6 million cap savings to let him go.

The team will not have much money to sign any high priced free agents, but should be able to get lower priced players late in free agency to add depth to the roster. The draft should enable the Jaguars to add one potentially elite player in round 1. As things stand now, either Jalen Carter or Quinton Johnston are the "no brainer" picks and at least one of these two has about an 80% chance of being on the Board when the Jaguars come to the podium. Either of these two would be great additions and it would be difficult to argue strongly for one over the other. No doubt, this team will have enough needs to take the BAP every time they pick, but the ideal picks based on assumed needs would be:

Rd. 1: Carter or Johnston

Rd. 2: Right Tackle or cornerback

Rd. 3: Again, right tackle or corner

For the remaining picks, the team should try and maximize their extra picks by trading up at least a couple of times and use these picks to add players on both lines. There will still be a couple of needs following the draft which would be expected of a team that has been so bad.

Carter is very likely gone by the time we pick.  If so, how do you replace RRH?  Keep in mind that Smoot, Key and Gotsis are all free agents.

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Obvious cap casualties are Griffin and Chaisson. I'd also let RRH and Taylor go. Taylor has played well this year, but he can be replaced by either Little or a 2nd round draft choice. I'd definitely keep Zay Jones and try to get a long term deal with Engram. The toughest decision for me would be Jenkins. He may not be great, but he has had a solid year and would be worth the $6 million cap savings to let him go.

The team will not have much money to sign any high priced free agents, but should be able to get lower priced players late in free agency to add depth to the roster. The draft should enable the Jaguars to add one potentially elite player in round 1. As things stand now, either Jalen Carter or Quinton Johnston are the "no brainer" picks and at least one of these two has about an 80% chance of being on the Board when the Jaguars come to the podium. Either of these two would be great additions and it would be difficult to argue strongly for one over the other. No doubt, this team will have enough needs to take the BAP every time they pick, but the ideal picks based on assumed needs would be:

Rd. 1: Carter or Johnston

Rd. 2: Right Tackle or cornerback

Rd. 3: Again, right tackle or corner

For the remaining picks, the team should try and maximize their extra picks by trading up at least a couple of times and use these picks to add players on both lines. There will still be a couple of needs following the draft which would be expected of a team that has been so bad.

Carter is very likely gone by the time we pick.  If so, how do you replace RRH?  Keep in mind that Smoot, Key and Gotsis are all free agents.

He quite possibly will be gone depending on how many more games the Jaguars win and how many quarterbacks are taken before the Jaguars pick. Smoot would be my priority re-signing from this group due to his productivity and age. It's possible Gotsis could also be kept at a much lower price than Smoot.

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I very seriously doubt the team will pay Taylor what he’ll ask for. That being said, if Little doesn’t start or if he does and plays poorly he was a terrible pick. How many snaps has Little even taken in a game the past three years????

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Obvious cap casualties are Griffin and Chaisson. I'd also let RRH and Taylor go. Taylor has played well this year, but he can be replaced by either Little or a 2nd round draft choice. I'd definitely keep Zay Jones and try to get a long term deal with Engram. The toughest decision for me would be Jenkins. He may not be great, but he has had a solid year and would be worth the $6 million cap savings to let him go.

The team will not have much money to sign any high priced free agents, but should be able to get lower priced players late in free agency to add depth to the roster. The draft should enable the Jaguars to add one potentially elite player in round 1. As things stand now, either Jalen Carter or Quinton Johnston are the "no brainer" picks and at least one of these two has about an 80% chance of being on the Board when the Jaguars come to the podium. Either of these two would be great additions and it would be difficult to argue strongly for one over the other. No doubt, this team will have enough needs to take the BAP every time they pick, but the ideal picks based on assumed needs would be:

Rd. 1: Carter or Johnston

Rd. 2: Right Tackle or cornerback

Rd. 3: Again, right tackle or corner

For the remaining picks, the team should try and maximize their extra picks by trading up at least a couple of times and use these picks to add players on both lines. There will still be a couple of needs following the draft which would be expected of a team that has been so bad.

What do you do about the TE situation?

Definitely pay Engram, keep Farrell as a reserve and draft someone in the mid-rounds. Manhertz and Arnold are nothing special and could be easily replaced.

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This thread, like all others, has to be reset within the context of one question: can the kid (Trevor) play?

If he shows u he's the guy up their with Brady (as he was @ the beginning of the season) for quick release time & high yards per attempt then these numbers don't matter as much. You find some voodoo cap restructuring to keep the players you want and trade players you don't for a ham sandwich to get rid of their contracts.

If the kids still developing, and next year isn't part of our "window" then you take the long term, maybe bring back jenkins (no one on the roster close to his level) and sacrifice the rest to the draft God's.

In either scenario, I think we're looking @ a fire sale on our first pick. We have a LT nder contract, we're not taking QB, We just drafted a PASS RUSHER first overall and it looks like Tyson is becoming a solid CB1. Unless you think your getting a..... GENERATIONAL TALENT (bing) our biggest need is volume of affordable players and that means you need more picks instead of THE PICK as an allocation of draft capital.

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I'd cut and slash. May of those guys are being paid premium money for average results. You cannot tolerate that.

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You know you're dealing with a belief system when you get an emotional response. 

I'd cut and slash.  May of those guys are being paid premium money for average results.  You cannot tolerate that.

The effect will be that you have to overpay other guys instead. 

This will continue until our draft picks develop the way they should and we start to win more.

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Paying zay Jones 10M next year is just highway robbery

Not aging well ^

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Chaisson is an obvious cut. Griffin probably as well. I like Agnew as a KR/PR, but he does very little for the offense, imo. He's got, what, 10 catches for less than 100 yards so far this year? Speedy, and has a value for ST, but you don't build a winning team by spending a lot of money on STers. I'd be surprised if he's still a Jag next year. Can see Jenkins going either way. Inconsistent but makes big plays. RRH is a solid player, but may be one of the areas that can be replaced at a lower price via FA and draft.

So, wouldn't surprise me if all are gone next year. At most, they keep maybe 2 of them (RRH, Jenkins). And with the way players are willing to restructure deals nowadays, I don't think the salary cap is a concern at all. If they have their eyes on some big contracts, they'll be able to find the money.

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Build through draft. Only glaring hole is TE. Nobody’s under contract for next year. I’d like to resign Engram.

We got other spots to fill, but will have to do so through draft.

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May have to restructure a few contracts

this right here.

It's how NO kept their window open for the better part of a decade, and I see especially a guy like Agnew as a candidate for a restructure. add a year or to on his deal, convert salary to bonus, stretch it out for a few seasons longer.

I also wouldn't rule out a trade or two, especially Josh Allen, to get the cap to more manageable numbers. Sadly, D. Williams' salary is fully guaranteed, and I doubt anyone will want him for $11M next year.

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I forgot Chaisson was still on the team.  Has he played any snaps?

google is your friend.

(spoiler: on IR where he can do the least damage)

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Obvious cap casualties are Griffin and Chaisson. I'd also let RRH and Taylor go. Taylor has played well this year, but he can be replaced by either Little or a 2nd round draft choice. I'd definitely keep Zay Jones and try to get a long term deal with Engram. The toughest decision for me would be Jenkins. He may not be great, but he has had a solid year and would be worth the $6 million cap savings to let him go.

The team will not have much money to sign any high priced free agents, but should be able to get lower priced players late in free agency to add depth to the roster. The draft should enable the Jaguars to add one potentially elite player in round 1. As things stand now, either Jalen Carter or Quinton Johnston are the "no brainer" picks and at least one of these two has about an 80% chance of being on the Board when the Jaguars come to the podium. Either of these two would be great additions and it would be difficult to argue strongly for one over the other. No doubt, this team will have enough needs to take the BAP every time they pick, but the ideal picks based on assumed needs would be:

Rd. 1: Carter or Johnston

Rd. 2: Right Tackle or cornerback

Rd. 3: Again, right tackle or corner

For the remaining picks, the team should try and maximize their extra picks by trading up at least a couple of times and use these picks to add players on both lines. There will still be a couple of needs following the draft which would be expected of a team that has been so bad.

as an FYI, Chaisson saves us $0 if we cut him. If we trade him, we eat signing bonus (around 2M) and the trading team assumes the 2023 salary (just over $2M).

Who around the league do we get drunk and then offer the trade?

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Obvious cap casualties are Griffin and Chaisson. I'd also let RRH and Taylor go. Taylor has played well this year, but he can be replaced by either Little or a 2nd round draft choice. I'd definitely keep Zay Jones and try to get a long term deal with Engram. The toughest decision for me would be Jenkins. He may not be great, but he has had a solid year and would be worth the $6 million cap savings to let him go.

The team will not have much money to sign any high priced free agents, but should be able to get lower priced players late in free agency to add depth to the roster. The draft should enable the Jaguars to add one potentially elite player in round 1. As things stand now, either Jalen Carter or Quinton Johnston are the "no brainer" picks and at least one of these two has about an 80% chance of being on the Board when the Jaguars come to the podium. Either of these two would be great additions and it would be difficult to argue strongly for one over the other. No doubt, this team will have enough needs to take the BAP every time they pick, but the ideal picks based on assumed needs would be:

Rd. 1: Carter or Johnston

Rd. 2: Right Tackle or cornerback

Rd. 3: Again, right tackle or corner

For the remaining picks, the team should try and maximize their extra picks by trading up at least a couple of times and use these picks to add players on both lines. There will still be a couple of needs following the draft which would be expected of a team that has been so bad.

as an FYI, Chaisson saves us $0 if we cut him. If we trade him, we eat signing bonus (around 2M) and the trading team assumes the 2023 salary (just over $2M).

Who around the league do we get drunk and then offer the trade?

His base salary next year is ~$2.4 or so, we would get that back if he's cut.

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as an FYI, Chaisson saves us $0 if we cut him. If we trade him, we eat signing bonus (around 2M) and the trading team assumes the 2023 salary (just over $2M).

Who around the league do we get drunk and then offer the trade?

His base salary next year is ~$2.4 or so, we would get that back if he's cut.

IIRC it's guaranteed as part of his rookie deal. The only way we get it back is if someone claims him off waivers and assumes the current deal. IIRC if we cut him and he clears waivers, we have to make up the difference between the 2.4 and what he signs for (remember the bortles deal?)

so we might make back *some* of the 2.4, but probably not all of it.

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His base salary next year is ~$2.4 or so, we would get that back if he's cut.

IIRC it's guaranteed as part of his rookie deal. The only way we get it back is if someone claims him off waivers and assumes the current deal. IIRC if we cut him and he clears waivers, we have to make up the difference between the 2.4 and what he signs for (remember the bortles deal?)

so we might make back *some* of the 2.4, but probably not all of it.

Ack, you're right. I tried to black out that he was a 1st round contract.

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