?He's the primary backup? 

I'm sorry I can't jump up and down too much about these guys. 

It's OK to respect a player's contribution and still recognize that the team would be better if we upgraded them on our roster.

Jenkins is next in line for me. He has somehow positively affected the outcome of multiple games this year by being Johnny on the spot - but has also been roasted by TEs and RBs 3 dozen times this season and he's making 9 mil a year. 
 
I have to temper my praise with the reality of their struggles.  Gotta weigh the good with the bad.

Nah, live in the now, all analysis must be rash and short-sighted.

It is the way.

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Also, Herndon did not make a play on that game winning INT, in fact he almost gave one up..
https://twitter.com/Jag28fan/status/1604938181480042496

This is a bogus...

Classic example of how one moment can be used to skew reality.

Herndon picked up the WR and bumped him off his line that resulted in a tough catch.

This picture, while showing the moment, is absolutely not what actually happened in the play.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3UeGmocADg

Start at 13:46

Watch as Herndon recognizes the crossing pattern and pushes 85 off his route.  That push off messed up 85s timing entirely.  Herndon absolutely should be given credit for his football IQ and hustle to get there and disrupt the pattern.

Save me with that bull. Brown ran his line, the TE set up a pick play, that's what they were supposed to do.

The reality here is that, that ball bounced off Brown's hands and it should have been caught. Herndon did very little to effect that pass. Which you can clearly see at the start of this video.
https://twitter.com/BillyM_91/status/160...0185416704

Herndon didn't have a good game and he's nothing more than depth. Hes certainly not stopping me (or the team hopefully) from adding another corner high in the draft.

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Herndon may not be Ramsey, but he has the heart of a Jaguar.  He recognized the play, he realized he need to effect the play, and he did everything he could do to change the play.

What more can you ask for from a 5th string DB???? 

Dude gets a game ball

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I'm sorry,  but the more I watch that play, the more I think that Herndon should be given credit.

Campbell and Cisco are both on the spot, but Herndon ducked under to make sure he disrupted the play.

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Of course Jenkins is the PLAYER.

But he's not there without Herndon messing up the Cowboy reciever

?He's the primary backup? 

I'm sorry I can't jump up and down too much about these guys. 

It's OK to respect a player's contribution and still recognize that the team would be better if we upgraded them on our roster.

Jenkins is next in line for me. He has somehow positively affected the outcome of multiple games this year by being Johnny on the spot - but has also been roasted by TEs and RBs 3 dozen times this season and he's making 9 mil a year. 
 
I have to temper my praise with the reality of their struggles.  Gotta weigh the good with the bad.

If you look at the depth chart, he's listed as 3rd String LCB...  Of all CBs' I could argue he'd be 5th string...

I can get a bit hyperbolic, but I don't think I've ever said that Herndon Solves our Slot CB coverage problems!  I just like to give our guys that go out there some credit.  Especially guys that do it right like Herndon.

When you compare a guy like him with a guy like Shaq Griffin, I think it's important to at least defend out guys that go out there and give it their all instead of quitting on the team because of criticism.  

I mean, if I'm gonna die on a hill.  I'll die on this one.  But I think all I'm saying is that he should be given credit for helping on that play, he did his job well enough that the WR was off balance and muffed the catch.  I get it that most here don't see it the way I do.  But I honestly think Herndon moved the receiver off his line and made him uncomfortable.  

I went back and looked at the Engram catch where he drug his defender out of bounds to save our Time Out...  It's pretty much the same route that the Dallas WR ran.  The difference?  The Dallas defender didn't impede Engram at all and let him run free and unemcoumbered...  It makes a receivers job a lot easier when they get out of their cut and there is green grass all the way.  Conversely, Herndon made sure the Dallas receiver had to deal with him before concentrating on the incoming ball...  Those little things make a difference.

In my opion...  I know you alll disagree.  But I'm giving Herndon the benefit of the doubt on this one.

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The Jets had a 4th and 2 with about 4:23 left in the game. Jaguars are winning 16-3. The Jets convert the 1st down but Oloukon comes flying in the force a fumble on the WR, and guess who recovered the fumble?

Yes sir. Herndon. The most average CB on the roster. Btw I noticed he lined up a couple plays at nickel and Williams on the outside. It fits him perfect.

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Every player has the ability to make plays at some point otherwise they wouldn't be in the NFL.

Herndon is average at best.

One good game does not make up for a history of being sub par most games.

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The Jets had a 4th and 2 with about 4:23 left in the game. Jaguars are winning 16-3. The Jets convert the 1st down but Oloukon comes flying in the force a fumble on the WR, and guess who recovered the fumble?

Yes sir. Herndon. The most average CB on the roster. Btw I noticed he lined up a couple plays at nickel and Williams on the outside. It fits him perfect.

Herndon played Nickle the entire cowboys game as well with williams on the outside. Again, what games do you watch? Herndon is still really bad and should not be on the field for a team that's contending for a playoff spot.

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Williams officially belongs on the outside. That's his natural fit. I bet if Walker gets back into the line up and he's also being played at his natural fit in a 3-tech? Williams is going to get more opportunities to make a play on the football. Herndon is serviceable in the slot. He should just never be tasked with trying to cover the opponent's best receiver. Not a knock against him. He is who he is. Which is serviceable.

The better Williams plays on the outside though? The less we have to worry about drafting a CB with the 1st round pick in next year's draft. Which is great. Would rather see that go towards bolstering our offensive line or defensive line at this point based on the injuries we've seen this year alone.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

The Jets had a 4th and 2 with about 4:23 left in the game. Jaguars are winning 16-3. The Jets convert the 1st down but Oloukon comes flying in the force a fumble on the WR, and guess who recovered the fumble?

Yes sir. Herndon. The most average CB on the roster. Btw I noticed he lined up a couple plays at nickel and Williams on the outside. It fits him perfect.

Herndon played Nickle the entire cowboys game as well with williams on the outside. Again, what games do you watch? Herndon is still really bad and should not be on the field for a team that's contending for a playoff spot.

Herndon is a decent nickel backup. He is horrendous on the outside and isn't good enough to be a starter. 

That said, I'm still very happy for him for his fumble recovery.

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Herndon played Nickle the entire cowboys game as well with williams on the outside. Again, what games do you watch? Herndon is still really bad and should not be on the field for a team that's contending for a playoff spot.

Herndon is a decent nickel backup. He is horrendous on the outside and isn't good enough to be a starter. 

That said, I'm still very happy for him for his fumble recovery.

Yeah, but he recovered that fumble...

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Herndon played Nickle the entire cowboys game as well with williams on the outside. Again, what games do you watch? Herndon is still really bad and should not be on the field for a team that's contending for a playoff spot.

Herndon is a decent nickel backup. He is horrendous on the outside and isn't good enough to be a starter. 

That said, I'm still very happy for him for his fumble recovery.

I agree.

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The Jets had a 4th and 2 with about 4:23 left in the game. Jaguars are winning 16-3. The Jets convert the 1st down but Oloukon comes flying in the force a fumble on the WR, and guess who recovered the fumble?

Yes sir. Herndon. The most average CB on the roster. Btw I noticed he lined up a couple plays at nickel and Williams on the outside. It fits him perfect.

Herndon played Nickle the entire cowboys game as well with williams on the outside. Again, what games do you watch? Herndon is still really bad and should not be on the field for a team that's contending for a playoff spot.

Herndon has been playing inside for 3 or 4 weeks now.

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That $2million dollar contract for basically a starter, has to be one of the best contracts in the NFL and possibly one of the best contracts in Jaguars History in terms of value, production, and snaps.

Tre Herndon needs 15 more combined tackles to be ranked 2nd all-time behind Rashean Mathis for most combined tackles by a CB in Jaguars History.

1. R.Mathis - 520
2. D.Thomas - 245
3. T.Herndon - 230
4. J.Ramsey - 210
5. B.Williams - 207

Herndon needs just 6 more assists to be ranked #1 in Jaguars history for the most assisted tackles in Jaguars History by a CB.

1. R.Mathis - 59
2. T.Herndon - 53
3. T.Campbell - 51
4. D.Thomas - 37
5. D. Cox - 33

Ramsey and Bouye combined have 54 assists, with 94 games played between the 2 of them.

Herndon needs 1 solo tackle to move into 4th place for the most solo tackles in Jaguars History by a CB.

1. R. Mathis - 461
2. D.Thomas - 208
3. J.Ramsey - 182
4. B.Williams - 178
5. T.Herndon - 177

Most combined tackles by a CB in a single season in Jaguars History:

1. B.Williams - 83
2. R.Mathis - 81
3. Washington - 77
4. T.Herndon - 76
5. A.Colvin - 73

Most solo tackles by a CB in a single season in Jaguars History:

1. B.Williams - 75
2. R.Mathis - 71
3. D.Washington - 68
4. T. Herndon - 64
5. J.Ramsey - 62

Herndon is tied for 7th all-time in PD’s among CB in Jaguars History:

1. R.Mathis - 104
2. J.Ramsey - 45
3. A.Bouye - 34
4. D.Williams - 32
4. D. Cox - 32
6. J.Craft - 30
7. T.Herndon - 29
7. B.Williams - 29
7. T.Campbell - 29
*Dave Thomas’ PD wasn’t recorded by PFR for 4 seasons.

Most Games Played as a CB in Jaguars History:

1. R.Mathis - 137
2. T.Herndon - 77
3. J. Craft - 71
4. D.Thomas - 70
5. J.Ramsey - 51

*Terry Cousin:
Combined tackles - 129
Assisted tackles - 16
Solo tackles - 113
Sacks - 1.5
FF - 1
FR - 1
Int - 6
PD - 16
Led team in ints - 0

*Tre Herndon
Combined tackles - 230
Assisted tackles - 53
Solo tackles - 177
Sacks - 1
FF - 2
FR - 1
Int - 3
PD - 29
Led team in ints - 1

*Tre Herndon has more combined tackles, more assisted tackles, more solo tackles, more forced fumbles, more passes defended, the same amount of fumble recoveries, a half a sack less, and 3 less interceptions than Terry Cousin.

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Tre Herndon is exceptional at making a great tackle at the 7 yard mark on 3rd and 6.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

The problem was getting picked on previously by smart teams with the bomb . Hopefully this does not occur anymore. He has been playing strong.

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This guy sure is fascinated with Herndon

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Your beliefs become your thoughts,
Your thoughts become your words,
Your words become your actions,
Your actions become your habits,
Your habits become your values,
Your values become your destiny.

This guy sure is fascinated with Herndon

He's in love.

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Tre Herndon is exceptional at making a great tackle at the 7 yard mark on 3rd and 6.

Yeah, I don't particularly like using tackles as proof of a defensive back's performance.  First, it makes a big difference where he makes the tackle.  Second, sometimes a defensive back will have a bunch of tackles because opposing offenses see him as the weak link on the defense and are constantly throwing in his direction.  

With defensive backs, you often have to apply the eye test.

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This guy sure is fascinated with Herndon

He's in love.

We should all pitch in and get him a Herndon jersey for Christmas.

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He's in love.

We should all pitch in and get him a Herndon jersey for Christmas.

I'd say that was a good idea but I'm sure he already has 3 framed and hanging over his mantel.

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We should all pitch in and get him a Herndon jersey for Christmas.

I'd say that was a good idea but I'm sure he already has 3 framed and hanging over his mantel.

Haha

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