https://twitter.com/_John_Shipley/status...17312?s=20

Which is what we were hoping for. Hopefully he keeps it up and this forces Cam Robinson to find a different role along the offensive line. I really think he could make for a mean guard in the running game.

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https://x.com/RapSheet/status/1703874850253635789?s=20

Risner signing in Minn.

We blew it. He should have been here months ago to be fair.

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https://twitter.com/_John_Shipley/status...17312?s=20

Which is what we were hoping for. Hopefully he keeps it up and this forces Cam Robinson to find a different role along the offensive line. I really think he could make for a mean guard in the running game.

I would dig that.

Reading the tea leaves of all the comments from coaches, players and the way they gave out positional snaps in camp... 

I don't think Cam is going anywhere but LT because they don't trust him to make a position switch as well as Little would. 

Total speculation based on connecting some dots that may or may not be connectable, but that's my gut feel.

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Which is what we were hoping for. Hopefully he keeps it up and this forces Cam Robinson to find a different role along the offensive line. I really think he could make for a mean guard in the running game.

I would dig that.

Reading the tea leaves of all the comments from coaches, players and the way they gave out positional snaps in camp... 

I don't think Cam is going anywhere but LT because they don't trust him to make a position switch as well as Little would. 

Total speculation based on connecting some dots that may or may not be connectable, but that's my gut feel.

Will only serve to improve Little's overall value as a player and drive up his contract talks here in the near future. Whatever they decide to do in the next few weeks. It should hopefully improve the overall play. 

Glad we got Chris Jones out of the way. This offensive line should be able to have an easier against the tinhorns this Sunday. 

Just keep an eye on that rookie they took from Alabama, let him test out 1 Vs. 1 with Harrison or Little and if it seems like he's going to be an issue they need to chip block his [BLEEP] or roll Lawrence away from him. 

I know in the other thread that you stated it's the same offense. I agree with that. However, it looks and feels otherwise due to the nature of the play caller. Something has clearly been off these last two weeks and it's a problem.

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https://x.com/jordandelugo/status/170382...08456?s=20

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https://x.com/jordandelugo/status/170382...08456?s=20

That's weird

I was told not to worry about Fortner, he was good for a rookie (he wasn't),
 Barcth coming back would upgrade LG (it is now worse),
 and Scherff would be better when healthy again (this was the only one I accepted - but - he can't stay healthy and also play football apparently) 

Ugh

I gotta say - this hurts even worse because I saw it coming. 
Man, I hope these 3 scrubs find a way to make me eat my words.

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https://x.com/jordandelugo/status/170382...08456?s=20

That's weird

I was told not to worry about Fortner, he was good for a rookie (he wasn't),
 Barcth coming back would upgrade LG (it is now worse),
 and Scherff would be better when healthy again (this was the only one I accepted - but - he can't stay healthy and also play football apparently) 

Ugh

I gotta say - this hurts even worse because I saw it coming. 
Man, I hope these 3 scrubs find a way to make me eat my words.

I seen it coming as well.  Just another reason I wanted to draft Torrence in the 2nd.  He was BPA at a position of need.  He's looking pretty good for the Bills. Hell, a lot thought he was going in the first and he fell to our 2nd round pick and we still passed him up.  Too late now.  What's funny is the shirts they wore in camp showing their 30th oline ranking.  They are playing just like their ranking or worse.

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Chris Jones won on over 70% of pass rush attempts.  Unreal

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AT least little played well

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Chris Jones won on over 70% of pass rush attempts.  Unreal

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AT least little played well

Chris Jones gave Harrison the ultimate "welcome to the NFL" yesterday.

I just looked back on some old OL threads from last year and there are three threads talking about how bad the pass protection was, one about how bad the run blocking was, and one about how ETN was outperforming every back in the league in terms of producing after early contact from Sept-November. (because the run blocking was so bad) 

I wish our front office and staff had not been OK with just keeping those problems and thrusting a rookie into a starting RT role.

I hope Strange, Bigsby and Miller amount to something eventually. Otherwise - I'll be wishing those picks were spent or packaged to spend on OL.

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Are we looking at another 2008? Line so bad we end up following up a hopeful playoff run with a losing year?

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That's weird

I was told not to worry about Fortner, he was good for a rookie (he wasn't),
 Barcth coming back would upgrade LG (it is now worse),
 and Scherff would be better when healthy again (this was the only one I accepted - but - he can't stay healthy and also play football apparently) 

Ugh

I gotta say - this hurts even worse because I saw it coming. 
Man, I hope these 3 scrubs find a way to make me eat my words.

I seen it coming as well.  Just another reason I wanted to draft Torrence in the 2nd.  He was BPA at a position of need.  He's looking pretty good for the Bills. Hell, a lot thought he was going in the first and he fell to our 2nd round pick and we still passed him up.  Too late now.  What's funny is the shirts they wore in camp showing their 30th oline ranking.  They are playing just like their ranking or worse.

Must make a slight correction- Torrence was taken 2 spots before the Jags picked in Round 2. That being said, I totally agree with your point. When Torrence fell to the middle of round 2, Baalke should have traded up to get him. He was originally considered a 1st round talent and getting him in the middle of round 2 would have been great value. The Jags would have likely had to give up a 4th rounder plus maybe a 6th or 7th. Hindsight is always 20-20, but Bartch was coming off an injury and Scherff gets hurt every year. Without a reliable offensive line, no team can make it to the Super Bowl regardless of how great their skill position players are. Strange is likely going to be a good tight end, but he is nothing special as a receiver.

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This may be the first time Pederson went into some coach-speak having his players back where he's actually not believable to me.

It's like he's scrambling for the Sunday school answers and they aren't flowing.

He knows the OL are [BLEEP] up royally.

https://x.com/1010XL/status/1703806348121591986?s=20

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I seen it coming as well.  Just another reason I wanted to draft Torrence in the 2nd.  He was BPA at a position of need.  He's looking pretty good for the Bills. Hell, a lot thought he was going in the first and he fell to our 2nd round pick and we still passed him up.  Too late now.  What's funny is the shirts they wore in camp showing their 30th oline ranking.  They are playing just like their ranking or worse.

Must make a slight correction- Torrence was taken 2 spots before the Jags picked in Round 2. That being said, I totally agree with your point. When Torrence fell to the middle of round 2, Baalke should have traded up to get him. He was originally considered a 1st round talent and getting him in the middle of round 2 would have been great value. The Jags would have likely had to give up a 4th rounder plus maybe a 6th or 7th. Hindsight is always 20-20, but Bartch was coming off an injury and Scherff gets hurt every year. Without a reliable offensive line, no team can make it to the Super Bowl regardless of how great their skill position players are. Strange is likely going to be a good tight end, but he is nothing special as a receiver.

No he wasn't.  He was there at our pick and we traded back.  We could of got him at our pick

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#Jaguars pressure stats from PFF:

Pressures allowed ...

LT Walker Little: 0
LG Ben Bartch: 3
C Luke Fortner: 3
RG Brandon Scherff: 3
RT Anton Harrison: 3 (including 2 sacks)
TE Luke Farrell: 1
TE Brenton Strange: 1

via Shipley ^

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I seen it coming as well.  Just another reason I wanted to draft Torrence in the 2nd.  He was BPA at a position of need.  He's looking pretty good for the Bills. Hell, a lot thought he was going in the first and he fell to our 2nd round pick and we still passed him up.  Too late now.  What's funny is the shirts they wore in camp showing their 30th oline ranking.  They are playing just like their ranking or worse.

Must make a slight correction- Torrence was taken 2 spots before the Jags picked in Round 2. That being said, I totally agree with your point. When Torrence fell to the middle of round 2, Baalke should have traded up to get him. He was originally considered a 1st round talent and getting him in the middle of round 2 would have been great value. The Jags would have likely had to give up a 4th rounder plus maybe a 6th or 7th. Hindsight is always 20-20, but Bartch was coming off an injury and Scherff gets hurt every year. Without a reliable offensive line, no team can make it to the Super Bowl regardless of how great their skill position players are. Strange is likely going to be a good tight end, but he is nothing special as a receiver.

We had pick #56 originally and Chicago wanted to move up 
(we got 61 and 138) Torrence went at 59

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This may be the first time Pederson went into some coach-speak having his players back where he's actually not believable to me.

It's like he's scrambling for the Sunday school answers and they aren't flowing.

He knows the OL are [BLEEP] up royally.

https://x.com/1010XL/status/1703806348121591986?s=20

You make me laugh.  Last week PFF was the definitive authority on all things OL related as it supported your preferred narrative.  This week we get crickets from you on PFF.  Instead, we have you concluding DP means the opposite of what he says because of NYC ‘tea leaves’.  Earlier in that same interview he faulted the backs, by the way, for not coming over and helping on the edge with pass blocking.

But in the silly belief that consistency matters to you rather than whatever suits you in the moment, here are the week two PFF grades for the line while pass blocking.

Little - 74.8
Bartch - 67.1
Fortner - 35.6
Scherff - 53.4
Harrison - 29.6

I believe that Little only faced Jones once the entire game and had the help of Bartch on a double team.  Otherwise it was poor Harrison getting smoked.  Scherff was sandwiched between two young guys struggling to execute their pass block responsibilities, yet he still managed to nearly double their PFF scores.  The HB’s both rated in the mid-70’s for pass blocking, yet DP was not happy with the decisions they made as to where to block.

All this talk about the IOL is interesting but teams will keep trying to overpower Harrison until he can keep that outside safe.  And they will bum rush the gap between Fortner and Scherff, splitting Scherff’s attention between helping outside or in and keeping the HB’s anchored in the middle so that they don’t help out wide.  This constant attention of fixing the left side of the line when it is the right side that is vulnerable is an obsession verging on mania.  Teams will continue attacking the right until the right stops them.

The Jags could roll out left, but then TL is a righty so that limits his play making options.  Despite his arm, he’s not Pat Mahomes who is the greatest scrambling QB since Fran Tarkenton.  The line has to stiffen on the right side.  Perhaps with simpler schemes.  Perhaps with more TE blocking.  But it needs to stop teams who will go after it relentlessly while it is vulnerable.

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This may be the first time Pederson went into some coach-speak having his players back where he's actually not believable to me.

It's like he's scrambling for the Sunday school answers and they aren't flowing.

He knows the OL are [BLEEP] up royally.

https://x.com/1010XL/status/1703806348121591986?s=20

You make me laugh.  Last week PFF was the definitive authority on all things OL related as it supported your preferred narrative.  This week we get crickets from you on PFF.  Instead, we have you concluding DP means the opposite of what he says because of NYC ‘tea leaves’.  Earlier in that same interview he faulted the backs, by the way, for not coming over and helping on the edge with pass blocking.

But in the silly belief that consistency matters to you rather than whatever suits you in the moment, here are the week two PFF grades for the line while pass blocking.

Little - 74.8
Bartch - 67.1
Fortner - 35.6
Scherff - 53.4
Harrison - 29.6

I believe that Little only faced Jones once the entire game and had the help of Bartch on a double team.  Otherwise it was poor Harrison getting smoked.  Scherff was sandwiched between two young guys struggling to execute their pass block responsibilities, yet he still managed to nearly double their PFF scores.  The HB’s both rated in the mid-70’s for pass blocking, yet DP was not happy with the decisions they made as to where to block.

All this talk about the IOL is interesting but teams will keep trying to overpower Harrison until he can keep that outside safe.  And they will bum rush the gap between Fortner and Scherff, splitting Scherff’s attention between helping outside or in and keeping the HB’s anchored in the middle so that they don’t help out wide.  This constant attention of fixing the left side of the line when it is the right side that is vulnerable is an obsession verging on mania.  Teams will continue attacking the right until the right stops them.

The Jags could roll out left, but then TL is a righty so that limits his play making options.  Despite his arm, he’s not Pat Mahomes who is the greatest scrambling QB since Fran Tarkenton.  The line has to stiffen on the right side.  Perhaps with simpler schemes.  Perhaps with more TE blocking.  But it needs to stop teams who will go after it relentlessly while it is vulnerable.

What was Harrison's PFF grade in week one? Just curious.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

You make me laugh.  Last week PFF was the definitive authority on all things OL related as it supported your preferred narrative.  This week we get crickets from you on PFF.  Instead, we have you concluding DP means the opposite of what he says because of NYC ‘tea leaves’.  Earlier in that same interview he faulted the backs, by the way, for not coming over and helping on the edge with pass blocking.

But in the silly belief that consistency matters to you rather than whatever suits you in the moment, here are the week two PFF grades for the line while pass blocking.

Little - 74.8
Bartch - 67.1
Fortner - 35.6
Scherff - 53.4
Harrison - 29.6

I believe that Little only faced Jones once the entire game and had the help of Bartch on a double team.  Otherwise it was poor Harrison getting smoked.  Scherff was sandwiched between two young guys struggling to execute their pass block responsibilities, yet he still managed to nearly double their PFF scores.  The HB’s both rated in the mid-70’s for pass blocking, yet DP was not happy with the decisions they made as to where to block.

All this talk about the IOL is interesting but teams will keep trying to overpower Harrison until he can keep that outside safe.  And they will bum rush the gap between Fortner and Scherff, splitting Scherff’s attention between helping outside or in and keeping the HB’s anchored in the middle so that they don’t help out wide.  This constant attention of fixing the left side of the line when it is the right side that is vulnerable is an obsession verging on mania.  Teams will continue attacking the right until the right stops them.

The Jags could roll out left, but then TL is a righty so that limits his play making options.  Despite his arm, he’s not Pat Mahomes who is the greatest scrambling QB since Fran Tarkenton.  The line has to stiffen on the right side.  Perhaps with simpler schemes.  Perhaps with more TE blocking.  But it needs to stop teams who will go after it relentlessly while it is vulnerable.

What was Harrison's PFF grade in week one? Just curious.

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51.8

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Every knowledgeable member of the board was pounding the table for Torrence in round two.
Torrence has played almost every, if not every, snap for the Bills and has allowed no sacks and one penalty. Different position, different opponents, but yeah.
Press having Trevor run to the flat on 1st and goal from the 1 may ruin 1 game. I'm never going to get mad about that.
Trent Baalke and Doug Pederson thinking they are set at guard and outsmarting themselves potentially costs a season. Still pisses me off. If they had Torence on first and goal at the one, they probably would have had the confidence to call a sneak or a dive on that series.
Even if the line magically gets better or heals, Doug and Trent still made the wrong call.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

What was Harrison's PFF grade in week one? Just curious.

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51.8

And who did he block predominately? Buckner?

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

You make me laugh.  Last week PFF was the definitive authority on all things OL related as it supported your preferred narrative.  This week we get crickets from you on PFF.  Instead, we have you concluding DP means the opposite of what he says because of NYC ‘tea leaves’.  Earlier in that same interview he faulted the backs, by the way, for not coming over and helping on the edge with pass blocking.

But in the silly belief that consistency matters to you rather than whatever suits you in the moment, here are the week two PFF grades for the line while pass blocking.

Little - 74.8
Bartch - 67.1
Fortner - 35.6
Scherff - 53.4
Harrison - 29.6

I believe that Little only faced Jones once the entire game and had the help of Bartch on a double team.  Otherwise it was poor Harrison getting smoked.  Scherff was sandwiched between two young guys struggling to execute their pass block responsibilities, yet he still managed to nearly double their PFF scores.  The HB’s both rated in the mid-70’s for pass blocking, yet DP was not happy with the decisions they made as to where to block.

All this talk about the IOL is interesting but teams will keep trying to overpower Harrison until he can keep that outside safe.  And they will bum rush the gap between Fortner and Scherff, splitting Scherff’s attention between helping outside or in and keeping the HB’s anchored in the middle so that they don’t help out wide.  This constant attention of fixing the left side of the line when it is the right side that is vulnerable is an obsession verging on mania.  Teams will continue attacking the right until the right stops them.

The Jags could roll out left, but then TL is a righty so that limits his play making options.  Despite his arm, he’s not Pat Mahomes who is the greatest scrambling QB since Fran Tarkenton.  The line has to stiffen on the right side.  Perhaps with simpler schemes.  Perhaps with more TE blocking.  But it needs to stop teams who will go after it relentlessly while it is vulnerable.

What was Harrison's PFF grade in week one? Just curious.

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What edge rusher to Indy have?  Just curious.  They attacked the gap between Fortner and Bartch.  See a pattern?

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Every knowledgeable member of the board was pounding the table for Torrence in round two.
Torrence has played almost every, if not every, snap for the Bills and has allowed no sacks and one penalty. Different position, different opponents, but yeah.
Press having Trevor run to the flat on 1st and goal from the 1 may ruin 1 game. I'm never going to get mad about that.
Trent Baalke and Doug Pederson thinking they are set at guard and outsmarting themselves potentially costs a season. Still pisses me off. Even if the line magically gets better or heals, they still made the wrong call.

Press may not have asked Trevor to run on that 1st and goal play. Dempsey on the radio today said he had it on good authority that it was not designed that way and he may have free lanced it.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."